Flu shot – Who does it and who does not

  • Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 22048
    #2309582

    Yes doctor’s gave poison ivy shots until it started killing people you can no longer get them. Can’t believe everything your doctor prescribes.

    I was thinking the same thing. There same doctors that have gotten caught pimping pills and shots for kickbacks. Hard to believe all they say.

    Snake ii’s
    Posts: 551
    #2309585

    Got the Poison Ivy shots as I had extreme reactions to it as a kid. Had immunity for years and still do not react like I did before the shots.

    Flu shot? Once or twice.

    since Covid:
    Anything the government pushes on me I run from.

    LabDaddy1
    Posts: 2816
    #2309586

    Never got it when I was younger. The FW always did because she worked closely with 3 and 4 year old children. Somewhere around 15 years ago I started getting flu shots. Never any side effects. My issue is if I get a head cold 90% of the time it turns into sinus infection. Have had 3 sinus surgeries over the years.
    Since the age of 60, flu shot, shingles vac, pneumonia vac, all covid, and this year RSV.
    I would probably of skipped the last 2 covid and RSV but the FW has been fighting cancer for 3.5 years and UW Doctors recommended them to help protect her. The only side effects I’ve ever had out of any of them is a sore arm.[/quotee]

    Hey man I’m super sorry to hear that about your wife! You sound like a super nice guy and supportive. Best to you and her both.

    And go vikes devil

    Besox
    Posts: 596
    #2309597

    I got talked into it and regretted it big time, down for 3 days. Will not going forward. Along with the ringing in my ears from the C19 BS shots I have little trust anymore.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 12448
    #2309606

    Doctors practice medicine, and they are great if you need medicine or medical intervention (surgery, cast, anesthesia etc.). If you are concerned about your health, and want to get or stay healthy there are far better resources imho.

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 22048
    #2309613

    After watching America struggle with opioids due to pharma and the doctors teaming up, hard to sell that what ever they say is best. More like what ever cash flow is the best

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12561
    #2309620

    I was thinking the same thing. There same doctors that have gotten caught pimping pills and shots for kickbacks. Hard to believe all they say.

    I think this is a factor far more than most people want to know. With the # of different meds offered for lots of issues, what one a Dr. decides to push may often come down to who he has the most to gain from.

    Gitchi Gummi
    Posts: 3413
    #2309625

    If you are concerned about your health, and want to get or stay healthy there are far better resources imho.

    Out of curiosity, what do you recommend?

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1824
    #2309644

    I am surprised this thread is running yet. Good work not running it into the toilet.

    I have received all my shots necessary but do not get the flu shot or mRNA shot. I have only received a flu shot once and that was for reasons mentioned above. To “protect” someone in my family who was in recovery from cancer. I personally do not think it helped anything. Ended up sick as a dog that year.

    I have young kids and my wife teaches early childhood with a dozen plus around her every day. Seems like natural immunity works so we stick with that these days. I would rather eat buggers and lick door handles than get those shots currently.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12561
    #2309648

    I have young kids and my wife teaches early childhood with a dozen plus around her every day. Seems like natural immunity works so we stick with that these days. I would rather eat buggers and lick door handles than get those shots currently.

    If you can stay healthy with Kids and a teacher wife, you are doing something right. Keep doing what you are doing. Maybe licking the door handles and eating buggers is a better plan than a flu shot.

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2245
    #2309655

    I haven’t had any shots since grade school. I won’t even take Advil or Tylenol for any soreness or muscle ache or the very rare headache. Just work through it. Can’t remember the last time I got sick where it kept me down and out. If I get up feeling a bit off I’m usually back on track after my morning exercise routine. I’ve never broken a bone. I’ve allowed doctors to slice and dice on me one time and that was for carpal tunnel. I’m either damn lucky or I have a Chuck Norris immune system or both. I’m not a health nut and don’t care what I eat and I drink too much. I’m 70 years old.

    All you have to do is watch TV and see how many pills and injections you need to ask your doctor about getting. The Marlboro Man had nothing on these pushers.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 12448
    #2309663

    Out of curiosity, what do you recommend?

    Joe Rogan. tongue That might trigger some here chased , but he has some great advice and phenomenal guests on that are great resources. Hubermann, Peter Attia, Knees over Toes guy, More Plates More Dates guy, Casey & Calley Means and more. Or just contact a dietician/nutritionist and a trainer.

    Personally I suggest people should eat like their grandparents (whole foods and butter) not their parents (processed foods and margarine/seed oils), and try and exercise 30+ minutes a day with some weight lifting incorporated. Diet is the most important imo, and it doesn’t take much.

    I’m 42, slightly overweight but generally healthy. I get an annual physical, and the real wake up call for me was at this year’s physical when there were some bad indicators on my blood test. Nothing immediate or super scary, but signs of trouble down the road, and the Dr told me for 10 minutes about all the different pills they could prescribe for this or that, I finally asked if she wanted to discuss my diet or exercise habits? And she goes, we generally don’t because people get offended by it, but yes you should improve on those things and then went back to describing pills. That was when I realized medical doctors mainly treat symptoms with pills not causes with cures.

    James Almquist
    Posts: 581
    #2309666

    Just to give you an idea on what it is like in a clinic with drug reps. Maybe not today but not long ago. I was doing the wiring for a new addition and was going back and forth between the new and the old. Lunch time comes and the break room was full of fried chicken and all of the other good stuff. Next day it was pizza and every day it was something. This clinic was not that big but the drug reps were there just about everyday. Drug dealers trying to bribe the doctors is the way I saw it. Just to be fair it was the same thing when I worked at the Duluth clinic doing phone work before it was Essentia.

    Riverrat
    Posts: 1822
    #2309667

    If Trump takes over Mexico, does that mean we can get the Mexican drugs? I’m pretty sure I can cure the flu with enough low priced pharmaceuticals.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22928
    #2309673

    And the slide begins on page 3. Thanks

    IceNEyes1986
    Harris, MN
    Posts: 1368
    #2309676

    After watching America struggle with opioids due to pharma and the doctors teaming up, hard to sell that what ever they say is best. More like what ever cash flow is the best

    Bingo!! And no shots for this guy. Feel a cold coming on? Grab the jar of Elderberry Syrup out of the fridge a drink a couple table spoons of that stuff. I’m a firm believer that it really works. I can’t comment on the flu as I can’t remember the last time I had it.

    The last time I was sick as a dog was last year and it was food poisoning. Our fridge was going out and we didn’t know it. Sick as a dog for 2 days. Fever and vomiting anything I tried to eat or drink. Figured it out when the ice bin had no ice cubes, just frozen water in the bottom. No Bueno.

    wirivereyes
    Central WI
    Posts: 152
    #2309677

    Just to give you an idea on what it is like in a clinic with drug reps. Maybe not today but not long ago. I was doing the wiring for a new addition and was going back and forth between the new and the old. Lunch time comes and the break room was full of fried chicken and all of the other good stuff. Next day it was pizza and every day it was something. This clinic was not that big but the drug reps were there just about everyday. Drug dealers trying to bribe the doctors is the way I saw it. Just to be fair it was the same thing when I worked at the Duluth clinic doing phone work before it was Essentia.

    This does not happen now. Probably a good 5-10 years since drug reps were able to bring in food/coffee, pens/merch.
    Drug reps for the most part are not even in the clinics/hospitals, MD’s don’t have time to see them.
    Kick backs to MD’s are a thing of the past.

    Gitchi Gummi
    Posts: 3413
    #2309678

    Joe Rogan.

    taking health advice from the guy who smokes more weed than snoop dog. that’s pure gold hah You do realize most of those people you referenced are….. doctors…

    I finally asked if she wanted to discuss my diet or exercise habits?

    you shouldn’t need your doctor to tell you to exercise and eat healthier. that’s about as basic as it gets.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22928
    #2309687

    Trigger confirmed ! jester

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 11079
    #2309688

    This does not happen now. Probably a good 5-10 years since drug reps were able to bring in food/coffee, pens/merch.
    Drug reps for the most part are not even in the clinics/hospitals, MD’s don’t have time to see them.
    Kick backs to MD’s are a thing of the past.
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    If you think the drug companies don’t get to the Doc’s, then you’re fooling yourself.
    p.s. i have a close friend in pharm and he gives me the scoop.

    wirivereyes
    Central WI
    Posts: 152
    #2309689

    I’d love some examples Eelpout. It is illegal for MD’s to get any kick back, except for education. Then there are very strict restrictions on education contact.

    Kickbacks just don’t happen to the average MD.

    I am sure in some instances there are kick backs, but your average PCP is not getting kick backs.

    orve4
    Posts: 615
    #2309690

    Pharma and Doctors can be blamed for a lot prescription problems but also people and how we view we should be prescribed medications are part of the problem.. Around 10 years ago a shift in health care and how it was run was changed to more of a hotel management style. With this came endless surveys given out to customers rating their visits and rating the doctors. Bonuses and so on were determined on your rating. What is the biggest thing people complain about when going to the doctor? Not getting a pain pill for this or an antibiotic for this. So physician started prescribing more pain pills to increase their scores and get higher kick backs. I have worked in the health care industry for over 15 years and only once Have I seen a meal from a pharma company and that was in the last 6 months. They have really restricted this. I think it happens in smaller facilities or private practice. Also I think in specialty spots such as dermatology clinics it happens more.

    grubson
    Harris, Somewhere in VNP
    Posts: 1896
    #2309697

    taking health advice from the guy who smokes more weed than snoop dog. that’s pure gold hah You do realize most of those people you referenced are….. doctors…

    I’ll take advice from a fit 57yr old jujitsu black belt. Even if he smokes some weed.
    Should we trust someone who drinks alcohol?
    Id bet a good percentage of doctors partake in one or the other or maybe even both.
    I only know two doctors personally. Both can put the beers away with the best of them. Can I trust their advice?

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12561
    #2309716

    Kick backs to MD’s are a thing of the past.

    and you know this how?

    Kickbacks just don’t happen to the average MD.

    I am sure in some instances there are kick backs, but your average PCP is not getting kick backs.

    So if Kickbacks or some form of compensation is not happening. What determines what medicine a Dr. prescribes for various illness’s? Lets take high blood pressure meds for example. This is just the top 10 of probably more than 30 used for treatment:

    Benazepril hydrochloride (Lotensin)
    Captopril (Capoten)
    Enalapril Maleate (Vasotec)
    Fosinopril sodium (Monopril)
    Lisinopril (Prinivil, Zestril)
    Moexipril (Univasc)
    Perindopril (Aceon)
    Quinapril hydrochloride (Accupril)

    If there is nothing in it for a Dr. why do you think they chose one over another? Also why would a Dr. switch from prescribing one to a different one.

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 18760
    #2309717

    My first guess would be potential side effects based on if the person is taking other meds, and second what is covered by the person’s health insurance.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn/ itasca cty
    Posts: 12924
    #2309720

    #1 would be if the Ins covers it, be formulary or generic.
    #2 would be the docs experience with results
    #3 would be both side affects and how well a certain med works well with other meds.

    i’ve seen several drs have these fancy gadgets that will match meds with other meds that dont fight each other, or work well with another med.

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
    Posts: 5153
    #2309721

    My first guess would be potential side effects based on if the person is taking other meds, and second what is covered by the person’s health insurance.

    Correct answer…doctors follow a standard of care protocol in most cases. That’s what is dictated to treat the symptoms based upon the patient and their medical history and this is highly influenced by insurance.

    I’m going through this now. The standard of care for what I’m dealing with is X generic drug. If that doesn’t work or causes adverse side affects, onto the next. My doctor is trying to appeal insurance so I don’t have to go through the 4 drug protocol to get to what I need as I have a medical necessity. The insurance companies don’t like it cuz it’s an expensive drug.

    It sucks for me but it’s a check in the system where doctors can’t just prescribe what they want. That just doesn’t happen often anymore…it did, but insurance has ratcheted that down.

    crawdaddy
    St. Paul MN
    Posts: 1918
    #2309723

    My sister is a doctor and told me to get the rMRNA covid “vaccine” even after I’d already caught and gotten over the virus. It made me wonder the quality of med school nowadays. I never did get the jab. Never will. Maybe I’ll look into the flu shot when I get over 60.

    Mike
    Posts: 112
    #2309729

    This thread is still going because it’s an echo chamber of anti-vax / anti-science rhetoric. Using mRNA as some boogeyman scare tactic..

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 11079
    #2309730

    I’d love some examples Eelpout. It is illegal for MD’s to get any kick back, except for education. Then there are very strict restrictions on education contact.

    It is illegal to shoot a wolf also. Just sayin. wink

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