Fishing with sucker minnows for SMB

  • philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1880006

    I’ve seen a few posts mention this over the last few weeks, I’m curious about the setup. How do people rig up sucker minnows for smallmouth? Are you using a slip bobber? Someone mentioned a dropshot type rig?

    It’s such a big lake, I’d have to imagine mobility being part of the strategy for small mouth, but just can’t picture it with a sucker minnow out there.

    Anyone wiling to enlighten me? I can repay the favor with a personalized bourbon/scotch recommendation(lol), or a sample from my collection if interested!

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11562
    #1880007

    Like a lindy rig, but a bullet sinker and a large gap hook thru the mouth/nose. Big sucker minnows.

    Will Roseberg
    Moderator
    Hanover, MN
    Posts: 2121
    #1880009

    Slip bobber + shallow rocks waytogo

    Greg Perz
    Posts: 242
    #1880012

    I use a 1/2-5/8 oz Lindy weight with a 4’-5’ mono leader to a #2 octopus hook with a ~6” sucker/chub. I tie my braid main line (with the weight and a bead) to a snap and then tie my leader with a small rolling swivel (like a spinner) That way I can change them out quickly if they get nicked up from the zebs.

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    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1880035

    It’s such a big lake, I’d have to imagine mobility being part of the strategy for small mouth, but just can’t picture it with a sucker minnow out there.

    Anyone wiling to enlighten me? I can repay the favor with a personalized bourbon/scotch recommendation(lol), or a sample from my collection if interested!

    Back when my boat was running, I’d tie 10-15 lb mono straight to a heavy dressed jig (pictured) and hook the sucker through the lips. Then just set adrift over rock piles and points or just randomly about, bouncing the jig/sucker along. Of course I used this method for big walleye and caught northern pike.

    Do I still get a sample of scotch from your collection? smirk

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    kevin gross
    Posts: 12
    #1880041

    I thought SMB only ate crawfish and not small fish like young walleye and perch. Now try and tell me they are not part of the problem with the EYES!

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1880057

    I thought SMB only ate crawfish and not small fish like young <strong class=”ido-tag-strong”>walleye and perch. Now try and tell me they are not part of the problem with the EYES!

    Don’t worry, I do plan on keeping every smallmouth I catch….

    But not for the reason you think, and most assuredly not for the reason you hope.

    I will bring them home and starve them to an inch of death, they will be famished, broken, longing for any sustenance to keep them holding on to this thing we call life. Only then, at the brink of starvation and death, will they be fed. But they will not be fed crayfish, my friend, oh no indeed. At that point I will introduce walleye fingerlings into their tank. Not all at once mind you, just enough to feed the most aggressive, most ambitious smallmouth. Over time, they will grow to love the taste of walleye, they will crave it. The weak and ineffective will die, only those who show the deepest desire for walleye meat will survive. To their minds, walleye will not be their favorite meal, it will be their ONLY meal. Their only option.

    Over the course of many years only the strongest, most savage smallmouth will survive, and oh yes, they will be walleye murdering machines. Once I’m satisfied with the ferocity at which they kill baby walleyes, once they’ve proven that they can hunt them in any situation, in the light, in the dark, clear water, dirty water, once they’ve grown to have a mind only for the walleye, will I act.

    Over the course of the next 10-12 years I will breed an army of these smallmouth. They will know nothing but walleye. From a young age they will learn the ways of their sires and dames, they will understand, no, they will feel with every fiber of their being what it means to be a walleye destroying force of nature.

    Then, and only then, when I’m confident that my army is sufficient in size and ferociousness will I act. I need to be sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are …. inevitable. They were bred for one purpose, extermination.

    And then, the hammer will fall. It won’t be noticeable at first, the common folk will be too busy blaming the DNR or the natives, but they will come to know the truth. Years will go by and the walleye population will start to plummet, studies will be done, taxpayer dollars spent, but a mystery it will remain.

    But just when all hope is lost, a hero will be born, no, a hero will be MADE. Kevin Gross will rise up from the shadows. At first it will be a theory, he will struggle to garner momentum or support. At long last the smallmouth will come under the microscope, and what the DNR and their scientists find will make their skin crawl.

    The DNA will be unique. Sure, they will share some traits and markers of the small mouth of the past, but something will be different, something … impossible.

    Their will be a grassroots movement to remove the smallmouth at all costs, but there will be resistance. The bass anglers will unite as a stronger, more formidable host than walleye anglers could ever imagine. They will hold on just long enough for every last walleye to be removed from the lake, unable to comprehend how their catch of choice have…changed.

    They will trace the smallmouth back to the inception of this plan, people will clamor for the truth. How could this happen? When did this happen? Who allowed it to come to pass? They will trace it back to the original catch, patient zero if you will. They WILL find the date, the date it all started, if they had a time machine they would find me on this date and stop this plan from coming to life. But something isn’t right, it can’t be right.

    It is at this point, and only at this point, that they realize just how naive they had been. They will scour the internet and social media for clues. Someone, somewhere must have hinted at it, there MUST be evidence! No one does something like this without a motive, without leaving a trace.

    That research will lead them to this post. And that is where they will find out that this has long been in motion, and it’s too late. Because this plan didn’t start right now. This plan started years ago. Every study has been staged, scientists paid off, every scrap of research towards the struggling population of walleyes over the past decade has not been a result of netting, or anglers, water clarity or temperature. The beloved and revered small mouth is responsible.

    And finally it will be clear, conclusive, there is nothing their hero Kevin Gross can do to stop it now, for what has started can not be undone.

    blank
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    #1880058

    That’s a helluva plan, Phil. You surely have done this same thing with muskies too, to make them walleye ravaging machines.

    kevin gross
    Posts: 12
    #1880060

    Phil you need to put the crack pipe away LOL. Personally I think LM Bass are the same as carp in my book. SMB while a bit better are still a trash fish. You know its funny how people say they are fun to catch but so are many STD’s. If you want a fight go to the Mississippi river and hook up to a 20lb carp. same value as a fish and a better fight!

    moustachesteve
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 540
    #1880062

    Phil that is gold.

    You know its funny how people say they are fun to catch but so are many STD’s.

    ^And this made my day rotflol

    blank
    Posts: 1775
    #1880063

    Kevin, why do you consider bass as trash fish?

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1880066

    Kevin, why do you consider <em class=”ido-tag-em”>bass as trash fish?

    It’s been that way ever since…the accident.

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1880069

    That’s a helluva plan, Phil. You surely have done this same thing with muskies too, to make them walleye ravaging machines.

    Wait until they scan through the hard drives, and all the notes. That’s when they will uncover just how diabolical, how calculated these measures were. There in my notes they will find just how much was learned about the feeding habits of my smallmouthed minions.

    There they will find robust statistical studies and measurement proving with near certainty that smallmouth are many times more effective at hunting in clear water. In fact, the calculations are there, there is only one way this plan works, only one way it can come to fruition. Mille Lacs needs clearer water, MUCH clearer.

    Should someone have the wherewithal to connect the dots they will find the link, it’s all there, nothing in this world is a coincidence. In a hidden underground research facility they will find it. A massive collection of aquariums devoted to one thing, finding the most efficient and effective way to increase water clarity in a large body of water.

    On the wall, only revealed by a black light will they find the two words nobody wanted to see, the two words no one believed they would see.

    Zebra
    Mussels

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11562
    #1880070

    Lol Phil the lengths you go to for these stories, make this somewhat believable…and upon thinking of it, perhaps Gimruis and the tribe conspired to do the same, but in reverse for the walleye. Feeding the walleye only the most succulent yellow perch and tullibee for years and years, to the point the walleye would rather starve than eat the poorman’s crayfish that litter the bottom of their lake! rotflol rotflol rotflol

    dirk-w.
    Minnesota
    Posts: 485
    #1880084

    Phil – If you are not a sci-fi novelist you’re in the wrong profession.

    moustachesteve
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 540
    #1880087

    I won’t go so far as to call them trash fish but LMB don’t really do anything for me. If you can’t catch a LMB you’re doing something wrong. They’re the goats of the water – they’ll eat anything and it doesn’t even have to resemble food. Feel similar about pike (plus they steal tackle – I’m good enough at losing that on my own without help). SMB are at least fun for a fight and make a passable meal.

    kevin gross
    Posts: 12
    #1880088

    Kevin, why do you consider <em class=”ido-tag-em”>bass as trash fish?

    I like to eat fish. SMB are not great on the table. LM bass are disgusting table fare yet people go crazy to catch one. yes the bass are great fighters but so are carp and carp are a lot bigger. you don’t need 1.00 each minnows or expensive lure to catch them. I am a fish eater. I don’t play with my food with C&R. I just hate to see the lake taken over with them. I would trade you 1,000 SMB for another 2 walleyes in the lake. You can see the resorts miss the walleyes as well. Bass just do not have the same draw as walleyes.

    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1880096

    Phil you need to put the crack pipe away LOL. Personally I think LM Bass are the same as carp in my book. SMB while a bit better are still a trash fish. You know its funny how people say they are fun to catch but so are many STD’s.

    rotflol

    I am a fish eater. I don’t play with my food with C&R.

    rotflol

    BTW Phil, do I get my scotch sample or not? razz

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1880099

    BTW Phil, do I get my scotch sample or not? razz

    I would be happy to arrange for that, any requests? I have a few bottles open right now, just had some Balvenie 14 Caribbean Cask last night that hit the spot, it’s a great one if you like something on the light and sweet side.

    If you are into the peaty smoky stuff then Laphroaig 10 or Ardbeg Uigedail are good options.

    What about something right in the middle? Oban 14 is a tasty morsel with a little representation of all areas of Scotland.

    Or perhaps you have a more refined palate? My brother bought me a gorgeous bottle of Glen Logie last year for Christmas. It’s highly touted as the best bottle of scotch in the $7 to $9 range.

    The trickier part is going to be the logistics, I’m over in NE metro, not a frequenter of Coon Rapids.

    One more question, how likely am I to be ticketed for drifting around with a sucker minnow on a jig after walleye closure:)? The DNR doesn’t know how I’ve devastated the walleye population yet, will they believe me if I tell them that my years of fishing for walleye are done, in a manner of speaking.

    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1880129

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Walleyestudent Andy Cox wrote:</div>
    BTW Phil, do I get my scotch sample or not? razz

    I would be happy to arrange for that, any requests?

    Well, yes as a matter of fact I’m glad you asked. Being that my ancestors were from the Scottish Highlands, I’d request Macallan 30. I prefer a single malt over a blended and furthermore I’ve already had plenty of all the options you mentioned. smirk

    I know you don’t get up to my neighborhood, so if you could just go ahead and send the Macallan 30 bottle in the mail…that’d be great. smile

    One more question, how likely am I to be ticketed for drifting around with a sucker minnow on a jig after walleye closure:)? The DNR doesn’t know how I’ve devastated the walleye population yet, will they believe me if I tell them that my years of fishing for walleye are done, in a manner of speaking.

    I can help you out with your “one more question”….

    The DNR is great at making the rules/regulations for the lake, but as far as enforcing them…they’re nowhere to be seen.

    You could fish with whatever bait you want targeting everything or nothing at all. Heck, you could string a couple gill nets out there and not see a CO. The only DNR presence out there would be a creel census person sitting on a lawn chair at the access with a clipboard asking a few routine questions. You can answer all their questions without telling a lie. wink

    Will Roseberg
    Moderator
    Hanover, MN
    Posts: 2121
    #1880134

    Diabolical Phil, diabolical bow

    tomr
    cottage grove, mn
    Posts: 1275
    #1880143

    I am having severe anxiety attacks since reading about your diabolical plot. Marauding killer SMB unleashed in my favorite body of water, truly a heinous plan. I was lost in despair when it dawned on me a new player you had not counted on in your planning has emerged.

    I put an emergency email to MNFISH and asked this legendary group of anglers to step in and stop this madness. I think I will be able to relax now.

    mxskeeter
    SW Wisconsin
    Posts: 3740
    #1880144

    I’ve seen a few posts mention this over the last few weeks, I’m curious about the setup. How do people rig up sucker minnows for smallmouth? Are you using a slip bobber? Someone mentioned a dropshot type rig?

    It’s such a big lake, I’d have to imagine mobility being part of the strategy for small mouth, but just can’t picture it with a sucker minnow out there.

    Anyone wiling to enlighten me? I can repay the favor with a personalized bourbon/scotch recommendation(lol), or a sample from my collection if interested!

    Phil I fish them in Gteen Bay. I use a 3 way. Roughly 1 foot dropper line, 3 to 4 foot lead to a #2/0 Kahle hook. The 3 way helps keep it up out of the sharp zebs.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 11895
    #1880156

    Phil
    You are a highly skilled writer. I think this work of art should make it to ever outdoor publication. Then again with some of the Crazy so called Walleye fishermen out there your life would probably end up in danger. President Trump would love you. You would now become the most hated man in the world.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 11895
    #1880157

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>blank wrote:</div>
    Kevin, why do you consider <em class=”ido-tag-em”>bass as trash fish?

    I like to eat fish. SMB are not great on the table. LM bass are disgusting table fare yet people go crazy to catch one. yes the bass are great fighters but so are carp and carp are a lot bigger. you don’t need 1.00 each minnows or expensive lure to catch them. I am a fish eater. I don’t play with my food with C&R. I just hate to see the lake taken over with them. I would trade you 1,000 SMB for another 2 <strong class=”ido-tag-strong”>walleyes in the lake. You can see the resorts miss the <em class=”ido-tag-em”>walleyes as well. Bass just do not have the same draw as walleyes.

    Kevin – a few things are clear from this post. First you have no taste buds. Second you are not smart enough to know that your and many other walleye fishermen’s meat eater mentality is as much or more a reason for the decline in the walleye population as all of the other theories out there.

    Deuces
    Posts: 5233
    #1880158

    LMFAO Phil bow bow bow

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17208
    #1880165

    LOL well played Phil. Just one problem: I already beat you to it and my plan is already set in motion!!!

    kevin gross
    Posts: 12
    #1880174

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>kevin gross wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>blank wrote:</div>
    Kevin, why do you consider <em class=”ido-tag-em”>bass as trash fish?

    I like to eat fish. SMB are not great on the table. LM bass are disgusting table fare yet people go crazy to catch one. yes the bass are great fighters but so are carp and carp are a lot bigger. you don’t need 1.00 each minnows or expensive lure to catch them. I am a fish eater. I don’t play with my food with C&R. I just hate to see the lake taken over with them. I would trade you 1,000 SMB for another 2 <strong class=”ido-tag-strong”>walleyes in the lake. You can see the resorts miss the <em class=”ido-tag-em”>walleyes as well. Bass just do not have the same draw as walleyes.

    Kevin – a few things are clear from this post. First you have no taste buds. Second you are not smart enough to know that your and many other walleye fishermen’s meat eater mentality is as much or more a reason for the decline in the walleye population as all of the other theories out there.

    Save your preaching about keeping fish. you C&R Guys kill more fish than the guy who catch a few and quit. Sorry if you are brain dead but we kept walleye on that lake for many years with no problems. Keep your holier than though tripe about keeping a few fish. If you were smart and cared about the walleye in the lake you would not kill them for fun which is exactly what all the C&R does. We have all seen the floaters out there and its plain and simple waste C&R guys are killing walleyes for fun so keep your sanctimonious bable. Its ok to kill fish for fun but not to eat??? now that’s an idiots view

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