I must have caught 15-18 of these in a half hour on doughballs. They are actually pretty good fighters on an ultralight.
I didn’t know the pond i fish the most had them, although, like Gators, if there is water, there are probably shiners.
I won’t ever use these for bait, at least not this size. I’d rather let these keep the ecosystem healthy. Many were fat with eggs so they must be spawning soon. Most of these were about 10″.