I wonder if Putin is more afraid of NATO or a face to face negotiating session with Biden.
The war needs to get started before spring hits the Ukraine and the dirt gets turned into mud. Tanks can’t handle mud well.
I don’t think mud affects missiles too much
Missals don’t help either side. This is a war about $$. Putin wants the Ukraine back because of it’s natural resources. The United States needs a shooting war to deflect attention from the economy and the Covid situation. Not to mention the stock portfolio’s of Haliburton held by congress.
This could be a pretty good showdown before it’s over.
Fear of Biden 
Best laugh I’ve had today. Putin has been testing American war tactics big time since Obama took office. It slowed during Trump, but still continued. The day Biden took office there were Russian aircrafts in our airspace.
Don’t be fooled. Putin has studied us more than most can realize. The only fear Putin has is the unknown of who will jump in if NAT9 takes action. Besides wanting the territory back of the Soviet Union, Putin knows If Ukraine joins NATO, we could have a base located on his border.
Watch close, Putin has been using Hitlers play book
Fear of Biden
Very well put Randy. Couldn’t agree with you more on all accounts. 
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Randy Wieland wrote:</div>
Fear of BidenVery well put Randy. Couldn’t agree with you more on all accounts.
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I don’t see what the United States gains by doing much more than it is now, even if Russia invades. With all of the fringe separatists and sheer proximity to Russia, Ukraine is screwed. I’d bolster forces in NATO countries and leave it at that. Even sanctions won’t do as much as hoped. Russia has trimmed its debt back some, invested in foreign currencies, and has some highly coveted natural resources. It’s not like if the EU temporarily cuts trade ties with Russia…that other developing countries in the region won’t welcome the trade. Plus the people of Russia are already used to living a life of limited economic opportunity and corruption. Some sanctions are the equivalent of us taking another crap in an already overflowing outhouse.
For those who think little 5’4” coward Putin plans to restore the borders of the Soviet Union, I believe they are wrong. Ukraine already lives in the shadow of Russia, but Russia is not a match for the Western World and NATO (if NATO ever felt like legitimately dropping their gloves and having at it). Rather, Putin seeks a destabilized Ukraine with enough chaos that he can get a hand-chosen puppet leader for “his” Ukraine. He’s not dumb enough to wage a war where he’s just blatantly expanding a country against all odds. That’s actually the only scenario where he could be defeated and spark enough global anger to be forcefully removed. He’s a master of manipulation and opportunity. He’s worked both Trump and Biden in different ways. The Russian media is posturing all this as defensive on their side, “protecting them” from the ever advancing Western World and NATO.
In the end, I think this ends up being an extremely drawn out conflict and another new pocket of instability in the world that doesn’t resemble an all out war. I do not think this is WWIII, nor do I think there’s a scenario where Putin just leaves Ukraine and it’s outspoken Democratic leader alone. Putin is a bully amongst the weak, and he knows the real powers can’t afford to step in and put him in his place, no matter how superior those countries are.
Without US backing there aren’t any superior countries in NATO. Putin will push any and all buttons, if it appears the US won’t get involved he will go through Ukraine like BK goes through a can of Spam.
France and the UK have the financial means to be great military allies in NATO, but the precedent has been set that the US will run to the rescue of nations long before the few other capable NATO countries will pretend to care. When you look at the list of NATO countries, it’s obvious a majority are incapable of much militarily. They’re simply an opening for more bases and strategic positioning of troops and defense systems for the few top counties of NATO.
For discussion sake, If Putin decided to roll into Ukraine tomorrow, what does everyone think the US should do? Politics aside…what makes the most sense? We aren’t sending troops to Ukraine to fight a war. I’m not even sure if sanctions are much of a “weapon” for reasons listed in my previous post. I’m leaning towards letting Putin roll, but offering weapons up to those from the region who want to fight for themselves. Keep pushing the responsibility onto the other 21 NATO countries who are all geographically and economically closer to Russia for a response. Fighting for something that others won’t fight themselves for is too costly in modern times.
The US can’t afford not to be the lead dog for NATO. We will pump billions into the region in addition to troops. If it goes beyond 30 days I could see 100,000 troops being sent in. It would be a combination of NATO along with the US.
As mentioned Putins been spoiling for a fight for quite a while. However he couldn’t do much with Trump because he wasn’t sure how crazy Trump was. He knew he couldn’t bully Trump because Trump has always been the bully in the room.
Anything short of 100% sanctions won’t be enough of a detriment to slow Putin down. Next 2 weeks will tell the tale. Hang onto your hat.
Fear of Biden
Best laugh I’ve had today. Putin has been testing American war tactics big time since Obama took office. It slowed during Trump, but still continued. The day Biden took office there were Russian aircrafts in our airspace.
Don’t be fooled. Putin has studied us more than most can realize. The only fear Putin has is the unknown of who will jump in if NAT9 takes action. Besides wanting the territory back of the Soviet Union, Putin knows If Ukraine joins NATO, we could have a base located on his border.
Watch close, Putin has been using Hitlers play book
Sad thing is this…. Putin invades and Biden does nothing he’s a certain type of willow acting weak…if he lets it draw the US into another armed conflict/”war” he’s a “globalist” and using a war to “deflect from his failures”.
Kind of like the way Trump was heralded for paying lip service on getting the US out of Afghanistan, yet when Biden finally recognized there was no clean withdrawal to be had and cut the cord he was a weak failure.
Cripes, revisionist history on the right has Democrats pushing the invasion of Iraq, when the truth is anything but.
And before anyone else wants to paint me of one political ilk or affiliation I’d say the exact same if a Republican was in office.
I’m just increasingly saddened by the loss of base values in so many of our citizenry. Now “values” flip and flop according to the position one needs to play to stay on the “team”.
(While I may have quoted Randy my comments are NOT directed at any individual overall. Just observations of the world and country I find myself living in.)
The US can’t afford not to be the lead dog for NATO. We will pump billions into the region in addition to troops. If it goes beyond 30 days I could see 100,000 troops being sent in. It would be a combination of NATO along with the US.
As mentioned Putins been spoiling for a fight for quite a while. However he couldn’t do much with Trump because he wasn’t sure how crazy Trump was. He knew he couldn’t bully Trump because Trump has always been the bully in the room.
Anything short of 100% sanctions won’t be enough of a detriment to slow Putin down. Next 2 weeks will tell the tale. Hang onto your hat.
IMO Putin learned watching how the US “defeated” the USSR….by bankrupting them via the arms race/military spending. I think his plan may be to do the same to the US. And it won’t take much….
Might as well feed the conspiracy. Behind most accusations is usually some level of truth. So what is Bidens real ties to Ukraine and why is Putin pushing that button now?
I feel the same regardless of who is in office…if the US sends troops to Ukraine it’s a loss before we even start. It’s a textbook lose-lose situation.
Putin doesn’t want Ukraine. He wants to control Ukraine as a buffer from the Western world and another pawn leader. American lives aren’t worth it. Send weapons to nearest regional NATO allies and levy some sanctions (that may or may not be effective). Putin isn’t stepping foot in a NATO country and everyone knows it. Russia 2022 is not the USSR economically or strategically, and Russia knows it better than anyone. They’re going to repeatedly bully the low hanging fruit nearest their borders while stoking their domestic fears of NATO and the Western World. I couldn’t care less if Russian backed media paints us as the bad guys…congrats to Putin on his showing. We’ve done more than our part to protect and rebuild parts of Europe throughout history. It’s someone else’s turn to step up.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
The US can’t afford not to be the lead dog for NATO. We will pump billions into the region in addition to troops. If it goes beyond 30 days I could see 100,000 troops being sent in. It would be a combination of NATO along with the US.As mentioned Putins been spoiling for a fight for quite a while. However he couldn’t do much with Trump because he wasn’t sure how crazy Trump was. He knew he couldn’t bully Trump because Trump has always been the bully in the room.
Anything short of 100% sanctions won’t be enough of a detriment to slow Putin down. Next 2 weeks will tell the tale. Hang onto your hat.
IMO Putin learned watching how the US “defeated” the USSR….by bankrupting them via the arms race/military spending. I think his plan may be to do the same to the US. And it won’t take much….
The 10 year Afghanistan war bankrupted the Soviet Union and lead to the breakup.
Might as well feed the conspiracy. Behind most accusations is usually some level of truth. So what is Bidens real ties to Ukraine and why is Putin pushing that button now?
Feed it all you want….it’s one of the things that makes me try and laugh but just can’t. Kind of like “lock her up”!
Guess I’m just a guy that believes in put up or shut up at some point. Instead these conspiracies Fred off of this….lack of real proof and legal proceedings somehow just confirms the depth and power of whatever conspiracy.
And I’m someone that fully believes our government engaged in a wide range of “conspiracies”. Just don’t see them hiding behind every tree nor being plotted by one party or political demographic.
I think a friend summed it up best…politics is professional wrestling…they act the part, go by the script…and then ride together to grab a beer after the show while they count our money.
I still don’t see why the Ukraine is America’s problem.
NATO, yes. The UN, yes. USA, no.
If the UN and NATO don’t like what Putin is doing they should be the ones calling the show. If they can’t or won’t what is the point in having them.
Putin is no dummy:
It’s the perfect time to take the Ukraine:
o US has no leadership
o Covid has KO’d or staggered most of the “lazy” developed countries (ex: EU & US)
o US increased dependency on Russia oil
o We sends Kamala Harris to drive the bus
Puttin’s gotta be laughing.
I still don’t see why the Ukraine is America’s problem.
NATO, yes. The UN, yes. USA, no.
If the UN and NATO don’t like what Putin is doing they should be the ones calling the show. If they can’t or won’t what is the point in having them.
Ukraine has a major pipeline running through it. America loves oil, and darnit I sure hate seeing gas at $3.50. As with most armed conflicts, follow the money. With midterms looming and the Fed raising rates next month, the next couple weeks will be very important.
Unfortunatly Uncle Joe managed to eliminate some of ouroil independance.
I thought some more about this….I’m sure hoping now that Jr. has more free time on his hands he’s really been pursuing the whole Russian adoption issues with more passion and zeal so maybe a few more of the “precious children” can be saved before war starts.
Putin fears Hillary-no, not kidding.
An Air Force friend said to me one time, Americans , don’t have the stomach to fight a war and win . In this case Armageddon would be the final result . I see Putin undermining the leadership of Ukraine and there economy. End result, they get a foot hold just like Crimea . Sanctions of the oligarchs surrounding Putin , well time will tell .
An Air Force friend said to me one time, Americans , don’t have the stomach to fight a war and win . In this case Armageddon would be the final result . I see Putin undermining the leadership of Ukraine and there economy. End result, they get a foot hold just like Crimea . Sanctions of the oligarchs surrounding Putin , well time will tell .
We can’t let putin do anything to Ukraine. It would be bad for hunters bank account.
Putin doesn’t need to win the war, his interest is strong arming them and pushing power. That comes down to who’s power is greater.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Don Meier wrote:</div>
An Air Force friend said to me one time, Americans , don’t have the stomach to fight a war and win . In this case Armageddon would be the final result . I see Putin undermining the leadership of Ukraine and there economy. End result, they get a foot hold just like Crimea . Sanctions of the oligarchs surrounding Putin , well time will tell .We can’t let putin do anything to Ukraine. It would be bad for hunters bank account.
Putin doesn’t need to win the war, his interest is strong arming them and pushing power. That comes down to who’s power is greater.
Hmmm that could certainly be..or perhaps the revelation that the accounting firm used for “independent” financial statements from the Trump family and businesses saying the past 10 years of statements can’t be trusted caused Putin to start this up hoping to distract many from looking into where Trump’s funding really comes from…
I for one don’t see any purpose in a global conflict involving Russia and China. Not one positive thing can come from that. I have a son who deserves to grow up in a decent world. All of the political clout, spending, talk, etc should be regarding solving domestic issues. Politicians unwilling to focus on domestic issues should be forcefully removed from office.
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