F-150 Lightning

Any thoughts on this ?

wkw wrote:

Any thoughts on this ?

I would go with this instead.

https://www.shelby.com/Vehicles/Shelby-F-150-2021

As much as I am a fan of the technology, they need to get the range while towing up into a more usable number,,,,

HRG

Yep. I gotta 2019 High Country with the 6.2 motor. You’ll have to drag me outta that to go electric.

Hot Runr Guy wrote:

As much as I am a fan of the technology, they need to get the range while towing up into a more usable number,,,,

HRG

No kidding.

Lightning Towing Range

To me it seems like it’s more of a grocery getter than a true work / tow vehicle. I would think the cold MN winters wouldn’t help much either.

Couldn’t imagine feeling comfortable going up north with that thing. Might as well get a Toyota sienna

Its a cool idea but they need to get that range while towing way up to really be a viable truck.

Can you imagine a stream of 10000 electric trucks hauling their boats north for fishing opener and each having to stop every 75 miles to “fill up” for 20 minutes?

How about driving to the mountains from Wisconsin with out towing a trailer for hunting. Usually about 1,000 miles and 14 hours one way. You would need to recharge the battery 3 or 4 times which would add at least 5 -7 or more hours to your trip. Don’t think the technology is there yet.

hartridge wrote:

You would need to recharge the battery 3 or 4 times which would add at least 5 -7 or more hours to your trip.

Not necessarily. Tesla Superchargers typically only take 15-30 minutes to charge fully.

Eventually this may be the future of vehicles, but as others have mentioned the distance and towing seem to be an issue at least for the time being.

One day I’ll own an electric truck, but the infrastructure and technology is simply “not there” yet for many guys.

When I was in 10th grade, I was tasked to come up with a method of electric vehicle traffic for an assignment.

I always imagined the future would have some sort of “charging-as-you-go” system built into the interstates and major highways.

Some what similar to how a light rail system works, but still allow you to get off the grid on battery power.

I dreamed of an “automated electric lane”, where you could drive hands free at 100+mph on the freeways, then take over manually with a full battery bank to reach your final destination.

its a cool concept and would be ok for the guy that drives around town and doesnt pull anything long distances. i bet they will still sell alot of them. theres getting to be alot of teslas on the road ive noticed lately.

will be interesting to see what the mileage range will be in the winter pulling a trailer

Actually, these are going to be HUGE in the work force.

You’ll be seeing these taking over the states vehicle fleet. Contractors will be running these, construction sites, hwy depts, companies, or anywhere with limited mileage but access to overnight charging (not being used) and these will sell Like hot cakes!

It’ll be a while for the general public though.

ClownColor wrote:

Actually, these are going to be HUGE in the work force.

You’ll be seeing these taking over the states vehicle fleet. Contractors will be running these, construction sites, hwy depts, companies, or anywhere with limited mileage but access to overnight charging (not being used) and these will sell Like hot cakes!

It’ll be a while for the general public though.

Unless they’re able to run the Air Conditioning for an 8 hour shift the unions won’t be looking at them.

ClownColor wrote:

Actually, these are going to be HUGE in the work force.

You’ll be seeing these taking over the states vehicle fleet. Contractors will be running these, construction sites, hwy depts, companies, or anywhere with limited mileage but access to overnight charging (not being used) and these will sell Like hot cakes!

It’ll be a while for the general public though.

All the contractors I know use their trucks personally to pull toys all over the country. No way they are going electric until they absolutely have to.

Range, range while towing, lack of charging stations, lower range with AC running or the heater running are all obstacles for the sportsman.
If the range is only 300 miles, that’s less than from the Twin Cities to LOW without towing anything.

B-man wrote:

One day I’ll own an electric truck, but the infrastructure and technology is simply “not there” yet for many guys.

X2 – The infrastructure is what seems to be lacking right now.

These are definitely the future. Not the near future though.

They will sell to government agencies, in metropolitan areas, etc with eventual loaded incentives to switch electric (cheaper tabs, lower insurance rates, something along those lines). I think in rural MN they’re a solid 15 years away yet. The technology will get there. The capacity, power, and size of electrical components and batteries have grown exponentially in the last couple decades. They will get them to a point where even MN weather isn’t an issue. Until then, I’ll stick with my gasser.

blackbay wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>ClownColor wrote:</div>
Actually, these are going to be HUGE in the work force.

You’ll be seeing these taking over the states vehicle fleet. Contractors will be running these, construction sites, hwy depts, companies, or anywhere with limited mileage but access to overnight charging (not being used) and these will sell Like hot cakes!

It’ll be a while for the general public though.

All the contractors I know use their trucks personally to pull toys all over the country. No way they are going electric until they absolutely have to.

Yeah, probably so but I suspect many owners will be switching them out (larger fleet commercial companies). Between cost and government incentives, Im sure a lot of CEO’s won’t care about if their foreman is using the company truck to pull his boat on the weekend or not. Personally, if I had a commercial fleet of trucks, I’d be all over these! (Larger cities of course) as you need the infrastructure to support these vehicles and most major cities have or will real quick. Again, more of a work truck than personal use. Obviously, if pulling toys every weekend, you probably ain’t going to buy.

I can see it now, pull your castle out on the lake and in the morning its dead. Now what?

Do you think EV makers are thinking about the possibility that people will actually need to use their vehicles for the purposes intended, or are they just slapping electric motors on a truck that they think will just be used to haul kids to soccer practice and go get groceries? Seems like a whole lot of rush to market without the range being there yet…

If I could pull my boat 300+ miles and then stop for 20 minutes to charge, clean windows, get a snack, and stretch my legs, I would for sure be interested.

I can’t imagine a battery powered ice auger will work in cold temps, and won’t be able to cut more than a dozen holes in a foot of ice. I’ll stick with the gasser.

Once they get the in road charging done then it will be a no brainer.

blank wrote:

I can’t imagine a battery powered ice auger will work in cold temps, and won’t be able to cut more than a dozen holes in a foot of ice. I’ll stick with the gasser.

This. Look how far charging and infrastructure has come in 5 years. That pace is only accelerating. As it does, taxes on gas and diesel will increase thus forcing a move to electric vehicles.

I don’t believe fossil fuel vehicles go away in short order but in developed countries with infrastructure it will happen in 10-12 years.

I have a 1969 Pontiac Firebird that runs on 110 octane fuel due to high compression. My guess is in 10 years or so I can’t get that.

Matt Moen wrote:

This. Look how far charging and infrastructure has come in 5 years. That pace is only accelerating. As it does, taxes on gas and diesel will increase thus forcing a move to electric vehicles.

I don’t believe fossil fuel vehicles go away in short order but in developed countries with infrastructure it will happen in 10-12 years.

I have a 1969 Pontiac Firebird that runs on 110 octane fuel due to high compression. My guess is in 10 years or so I can’t get that.

I think gasoline will be available for a long long time. It may only be for offroad vehicles after a while, say 20 years. Just think about how many people are driving 20+ year old vehicles around now because they have to. Where will they be left if gasoline or diesel goes away? Most of the state doesn’t have reliable broadband yet let alone infrastructure to allow the mass charging of vehicles. Yea it will come in time, but in who’s life time?

I’m not dismissing electric vehicles, but I am dismissing the utopian idea that we’ll all be drinking that free Bubble Up and eating that rainbow stew without any thought on how to get there.

The Rush song Red Barchetta comes to mind when I think about this.

blackbay wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matt Moen wrote:</div>
This. Look how far charging and infrastructure has come in 5 years. That pace is only accelerating. As it does, taxes on gas and diesel will increase thus forcing a move to electric vehicles.

I don’t believe fossil fuel vehicles go away in short order but in developed countries with infrastructure it will happen in 10-12 years.

I have a 1969 Pontiac Firebird that runs on 110 octane fuel due to high compression. My guess is in 10 years or so I can’t get that.

I think gasoline will be available for a long long time. It may only be for offroad vehicles after a while, say 20 years. Just think about how many people are driving 20+ year old vehicles around now because they have to. Where will they be left if gasoline or diesel goes away? Most of the state doesn’t have reliable broadband yet let alone infrastructure to allow the mass charging of vehicles. Yea it will come in time, but in who’s life time?

I’m not dismissing electric vehicles, but I am dismissing the utopian idea that we’ll all be drinking that free Bubble Up and eating that rainbow stew without any thought on how to get there.

The Rush song Red Barchetta comes to mind when I think about this.

I agree that electric isn’t utopia….the fossil fuels alone to mfg the batteries and for the lightweight plastic parts are an environmental nightmare.

There will be gas for a long time but my opinion is it will be taxed to oblivion which will probably force a change. That probably can’t happen til we have really economical options…ie, sub $20k availability.

And the electricity to charge up these batteries comes from where ? I’m betting a coal or nuke power plant. When the batteries are shot, where do they get disposed of, and will the cost of re-placing batteries be more than the vehicle is worth. I’ll stick my gasser.

I can’t see semi tractors going electric either. Who the heck wants to drive a truck without 13′ stacks and no jake break. LOL

Where is the tax for roads going to come from?