To follow or NOT to follow… the bobber!!!

  • dave-barber
    St Francis, MN
    Posts: 2100
    #1240539

    So… Tonight was my daughter’s dance class… an hour and a half of nothing to do. So I prepared and purchased the FLW Walleye May-June mag. I enjoy reading the articles because, like most, my most valuable lure is knowledge. But an article in this edition had me scratching my head… so I thought I would post here and get your opinions and see what you think regarding the following:

    The Article I am specifically referring to is titled “Disappearing Act”… By Paul Meleen as told to Dave Csanda. The article is based around using slip bobbers for walleyes. About 4 pages into the arcticle, Paul notes that when a bobber goes down, he notes which way the bobber moves… This, in effect, tells him which way the school is moving. After land or not on that cast, he will try the same spot… if without luck, he will move on to cast in the direction the bobber was moving… as this was the direction of the school. Sound advice I guess.

    On the SAME page… there is one of those short articles. This one referring to tactics by Greg Bohn. In this article, Greg also mentions to take note of which direction a bobber is moving after a walleye strikes. But, it seems that Paul and Greg have differing views of what to make of this mental note. Greg goes on to say to take note of the direction, and on subsequent casts, throw your lure in the OPPOSITE direction that the bobber was moving. Greg goes on to explain that the hooked fish will want to move away from the competitive school where another fish would want to steal the bait.

    In this same article, the last paragraph goes on to admit that Greg and Paul’s techinques do contrast, but so does the size, shapes, and geography of the lakes they fish.

    Now, on to my opinion. First, I personally do not beleive that many walleye have a “school” mentality. I think that many lakes have limited structure, and walleyes adhere to that structure. I believe that do to this, the walleyes, though competitive, will be found in similar structures. They also know when it is feeding time and are all bred with the knowledge of where to find the fish. So, rather than following the school at dinner time, they instinctively know where to go and usually do so at similar times of other walleye. Again, this is only my opinions and I could be WAY off… but this seems to be my experience. I DO think that as walleyes age, the younger walleyes may tend to hang out with other younger class walleyes… but as they age, become a little more nomadic without needing the “protection of the herd”.

    Now, with my thoughts above… I tend to agree with Greg’s assumption that, upon a strike, a walleye will tend to avoid other competitive fish and will lead AWAY from other fish. Funny enough, if we WERE dealing with a “school” of eyes, if you hit on in the middle, you are pretty much out of luck with EITHER Greg or Paul’s theroies. Either way, I don’t believe you can effectively judge a current migration patterns to the eyes based upon which direction a bobber goes when a walleye hits it. I personally prefer to use my experience and knowledge as well as lake conditions, time of day, and lake structure to determine where the fish are at and where and when they will be moving.

    Curious to know other people’s thoughts on this as well. Am I WAY off base? Do you agree/disagree with my assesment? Or would you take Paul or Greg’s side in this? Thoughts?

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #569826

    I would watch which way the walleye swim after releasing it. They should swim towards where the rest of the school is at.

    chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
    Posts: 12318
    #569830

    Tough ? for sure!
    I can tell you that Paul Meleen is one of the top corkers on Mille Lacs. And regardless which way the walleye swims…he seems to find them time and time again!

    My personal observations? I usually notice the bobber going down, and staying in the relative same spot, but down into the rocks. Rarely do I see the bobber moving one direction or the other. The line blowing in the wind may have some influence on bobber movement when tightening up the line, but for me it seems they feed up and head back down to the rocks to swallow. In Paul’s defense, I have often caught fish from the same general area that I have caught a fish previously. Quite often in fact.

    gjk1970
    Annandale Mn.
    Posts: 1260
    #569834

    I have watched a few Walleyes on my VS-560 when nthey strike my bait and by time they get done with the dance with the bait before the true strike they have circled the bait many times and there direction is way off the one they came in on. Now I am no pro but this is what I have seen first hand on the camara. So whether it is true or not I have yet to see with my eyes.

    dave-barber
    St Francis, MN
    Posts: 2100
    #569856

    So far, both Glenn and Tuck have confirmed my thoughts. I personally don’t believe that there is any pattern to which way a walleye runs with the bobber. After the drama… they go back to being walleyes. That is kind of my point. I guess I wonder how much of these articles are just show… and how much is truth in fishing.

    chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
    Posts: 12318
    #569862

    I learn something from all the articles I read in the FLW Mags. One thing for sure, it gives me a look into the mind of each angler, and into what they interpret. Right or wrong. (As perceived by myself or others.) It does show that each angler works a “Program” that has proven itself to be effective for them. I also like the ideas I get from their rigging suggestions, and presentations. In this day and age, every little bit of knowledge helps. Even the fact that you are disecting this article for useful info shows the lengths you will go to learn something as well! And your observations help too!

    dave-barber
    St Francis, MN
    Posts: 2100
    #569867

    As I stated… the best lure I own is not in my tackle box… it is in my head. I LOVE reading the insights of other fishermen. Whether I agree or disagree or have no opinion but just learn. This is why I posted to begin with. I have already formed an opinion… but I would like to learn more from others!

    jesse
    mn
    Posts: 405
    #569877

    I follow the bobber too, with a wide sweeping hookset! Interesting ideas there, not too much of a bobber fisherman so I dont know which to buy?

    Bob Carlson
    Mille Lacs Lake (eastside), Mn.
    Posts: 2936
    #569885

    Many times while fishing the top edge of a reef, I have seen the fish pull the bobber off the structure into deeper water. I agree with the following of the direction….but don’t tell anyone!!

    dave-barber
    St Francis, MN
    Posts: 2100
    #569895

    Quote:


    Many times while fishing the top edge of a reef, I have seen the fish pull the bobber off the structure into deeper water. I agree with the following of the direction….but don’t tell anyone!!


    So, do you believe that this is a “school” mentality… that the fish is following the school off of the reef? Or do you believe that the fish is heading for deeper water to remove the chance of any competitive fish stealing the bait? The latter sounds like it would make sense…. My opinion anyhow.

    jldii
    Posts: 2294
    #569940

    In shallow water areas I do not think that walleyes swim towards any other fish or school when taking a bobber down. Actually, I am of the opinion that those fish are actually independently feeding, and not feeding as a “pack”. From my experience, in shallow water spots, I focus on particular areas that have certain rock formations that allow fish to sit out of the current and easily ambush any food that drifts by. These spot on spot areas often are only big enough for 2-3 fish to sit in the “prime” ambush spots, while other fish wanting to get into those hunting spots are scattered around the perimiter of that “spot”. Current is the most important factor here, since that is what the fish relate to and is what carries the most food to them. I always say that if your bobber isn’t drifting, you are not bobber fishing correctly. Reason being, I want that bait to drift into an area as normally as everything else that is drifting thru that area I am fishing. The faster the drift, usually the more aggresive the bite, and likelyhood that the bobber will go off in a direction. The slower the drift. the more likely the bobber will just sink straight down.

    jbongers
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 278
    #570039

    Jack you sound pretty knowledgeable about this whole corking thing. I didn’t think you even fished that way ever.

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #570297

    I prefer not to follow Bobber…….

    He only catches small fish.

    HEY BOBBER

    dave-barber
    St Francis, MN
    Posts: 2100
    #570324

    Quote:


    I prefer not to follow Bobber…….

    He only catches small fish.

    HEY BOBBER


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