Truck brakes, thoughts?

  • wallgeye
    Richfield, MN
    Posts: 157
    #1238231

    I am having some issues with the brakes on my ’08 Sierra 1500. I currently have 33k miles on it. Bought new. At 15k miles my rotors warped and I had to get them cut. I was upset about needing brake work so early, it was covered under warranty. 4 days beore Christmas I take it in for service and tell them the brakes are pulsing again. I get a call and am told that I need new front brakes. The rotors need to be turned again and I need new pads, as they are down to 2mm thick. I find out later 1 pad of 4 is down to 2mm, the rest look new still.

    I was not told that only one of the pads was down to 2mm, the service writer took me out into shop to show the bad pad to me, I then look at the others and note the lack of wear on the rest. I asked that the brake work be covered under warranty because I had already had brake problems and felt that whatever caused the warped rotors at 15k miles caused the warpage was not fixed causing the accelerated wear on the pads.

    I was declined by the service writer he told me the calipers came off when they turned the rotors the first time and the slide pins and grooves would have been cleaned and lubed at the time. It was snowing the beat heck at the time and it took me an hour to get to the dealer instead of 10 minutes, I worked that night and did not have the time to dig my heels in before I left. I called the service manager and pleaded my case again to him the next day after taking the old brake parts home with me. He turned me down also. So, I called GMC customer support, laid it out again and am waiting a call back from someone tommorrow. She had called the dealer, who told her the same thing they told me, that brake problems caused by sticking calipers are not covered under warranty, calling it an “environmental” issue causing the pins to stick. I understand that and would not argue my point if I had not already had work done on the brakes.

    No one there seems to think that needing brake work done every 15k miles is odd, not normal or unacceptable. I do! I went 80k miles on my Saturn with original brakes and had them done because I wanted them done, not that the techs recommended it, same thing with my tires, they were still legal depth, but I did not want to drive though another winter with those tires. My ’04 Silverado went through 3 engines in 44k miles but I never had an issue with the brakes. I know how to drive, I was a mechanic in the Army, I was ASE certified in brakes and most every other specialty area offered at the time in auto and heavy truck. I only use the brakes when I need them and not only at the last second, steady even braking pressure then lift my foot holding just enough pressure to keep the vehicle stopped. Yes, I could do it myself, don’t want to though. I have never had a real good feeling about the servie dept. at this dealership. 494 and France or so. Hard to explain, just never felt good about it, sales experience was top notch though

    Anyone else have issues with brakes like mine? Thoughts on what I can do if I get shot down in my request to have it covered under warranty? The vehicle has been back to the dealership for all recommended service, as have all my vehicles. If I am expected to do brakes on this thing every 15k miles, it is being sold and I may try a Ford this time. My track record with GM does not seem too good. Think I need 3 issues to apply for lemon law and it will be out of warrany soon.

    Oh, just remembered this, service writer mentioned that brake issues could have been caused by mud from going off road collecting in the caliper grooves, only off roading I do is crawling across a usually frozen corn field while deer hunting. I was the truck probably once a week, have never thought to direft a blast of water onto the calipers to clean any debris off, this sounds a little hokey to me.

    / Rant off

    Thanks for any thoughs or suggestions!

    mojogunter
    Posts: 3301
    #922137

    I had a 94 dodge 2500 that went through front pads every 12-15k miles for the 130k miles I owned it. It was a pain, but the rotors didn’t warp, and I just replaced the pads most of the time. My last couple of Dodges have been much better. My 04 2500 diesel was on the original pads at 75k when I sold it, and my 07 1500 mega cab for the first time needed new brakes at 80k. I replaced front and rear, but just the front needed them. I think brakes are a tough thing to get warrantee work covered because the dealer will say normal ware and tear. My guess is maybe some dealers will tell you it isn’t covered, and get you to pay for it, and then turn it in for warrantee work and get paid twice for it. Just a guess, but corruption is everywhere

    john-o
    Hastings, MN
    Posts: 144
    #922160

    15K on a set of brakes for your truck is not right, unless you are pulling, or hauling something really heavy. I have a ’07 Sierra that will turn 100K this week that still has the original rotors (never turned) and pads. I had a 2000 Sierra that I got 120K on the original front brakes.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #922175

    The offroad excuse is such a bunch of BS. It’s a pickup, you live in the upper midwest. Odds are, you are gonna encounter off road conditions on the daily commute. I’m sorry, but it sounds like your dealer is jobbing you.

    I got a very similar run around from Ford on my 08. The factory pads from Ford are junk. They leave an unbelievable amount of break dust on the wheels. It’s hard to remove and has caused pitting in my case. Took my truck in, got the “well, it’s just the way it is.” I had them fix the other issue I had. Went to NAPA and bought the best ceramic pad they had. $60.00(I think), I’m at home replacing the pads. I’ve not had one ounce of break dust since that day. I don’t notice the ability to stop is any better or worse on either dry or wet roads. My calls to Ford fell on deaf ears as they called the dealership and took their side.

    I’m not gonna lump all dealerships into this bucket, but I feel like there is a pattern of doing business poorly amongst these bigger dealerships in the cities. I’m pretty sure my next truck will be a Dodge, cuz I know the jerk who runs the service department.

    broadwaybob
    Janesville, WI
    Posts: 402
    #922216

    Keep pressing the issue. They know that there is a problem and it is well within the expected life of the brakes. I expect that they know there is a bigger problem at hand and do not want to fix it. If you do not use the truck to tow almost daily, run it through muck and gravel roads often or travel mountainous terrain, you are not using it in extreme conditions–just normal conditions which should give you normal expected life of the brakes. Continue up the chain until someone says “yes”.

    Geerdes
    Brandon, SD 57005
    Posts: 791
    #922251

    I had problems with my 04 Expedition, but did get the dealer to fix with new rotors and breaks. Had a problem with my 07 F150 with surging at 37000. Complained to the same dealer and they turned the rotors at no charge. I guess I must be lucky the way it sounds. Good Luck.

    hookem
    Hastings,Minn.
    Posts: 1027
    #925611

    I have an ’07 Silverado with 36,000 miles on it and no problems. I would talk to the owner of the dealership face to face, especially if it the same place where you bought the vehicle. If he want your business in the future he should come thru for you. If GM or the owner of the dealership isn’t willing to help you, you could go to arbitration with them. I think it talks about that in the back of your owners manual. I did it back in the 80’s when GM had problems with their “metric transmission”. Went to arbitration thru the BBB and the GM rep said you live in Hastings, every time you leave Hastings you have to go up a hill don’t you? My reply to him and the arbitrator was isn’t the trans. made to go up hills? The arbitrator decided 100% in my favor.

    wallgeye
    Richfield, MN
    Posts: 157
    #926278

    Thanks for the replies, GM customer service sided with the dealer, (no surprise). They told me it is “environmental causes, i.e., salt from roads, mud, etc” causing the pins in the caliper slides to stick and not covered under warranty. Or, the way the vehicle is being driven, i.e., the nut behind the wheel. Like I said, if all of the pads were worn I could accept responsibility but only one pad stinks of a caused other then me, the driver.

    After making my original post I started poking around online and found that GM seems to have some “issues” with corrosion of brake components. There are several complaints with the NHTSB where people not even living in the rust belt had BRAKE LINES burst on three year old vehicles because they rusted through. Edmonds website has several posts of peoples who’s fix was to spend several hundred dollars on aftermarket SS brake lines and components.

    I will be visiting the dealer in person, also sending a letter to them and filing a complaint with the BBB and NHTSB about this. It would seem that someone needs to get killed before action is taken. There are complaints there about corrosion going back to 2003 I think, but no injuries or deaths yet that I saw.

    If I cannot find some satisfaction in this I will be selling this truck as soon as it warms enough to clean the frozen leftovers from hunting season out of the bed and trying a Ford I guess.

    nick
    Lakeville, MN
    Posts: 4977
    #926299

    See I’m of the school of thought brake rotors Rarely warp, 98% of the time its just excess pass stick on the rotors, a couple hard aggressive stops from 70 mph usually takes care of the problem of pulsing brakes, this far a dozen times our so for me it has solved the problem. Now the caliper… I guess things break, crappy they won’t cover it, though of don’t think you’ll have much luck anywhere else.

    Imho replace the caliper, pads smile a no be glad our wasn’t something major. Not saying youre wrong at all, but think its one of those bite the bullet and move on. Unless the sticking caliper did something to one rotor, I’m willing to bet the are fine. I think a lot of shops jump to brakes and rotors, quick fix and pad their pockets, but most cases rotors are unnecessary. Brakes are thee biggest scam ever, pads are under 40 in most cases (they always try and tell me

    they were ceramic from factory, I’m pretty sure they are lying, I only run semi metallics) and an hour minutes of labor for all 4.

    Not sure if there is anything special to bleeding anti lock brakes, but out can’t be that hard.

    Better yet have jeff d do them, if you don’t want to.

    Sorry gotta bear with the spelling and grammar errors posting from my cell phone, its a little tough…

    wallgeye
    Richfield, MN
    Posts: 157
    #926413

    Heya Nick!!
    My pedal and steering wheel were “pulsing” when braking prior to getting the rotors turned each time, I have no doubt they were in fact warped. The on pad worn down next to nothing tells me the caliper was sticking and probably caused the rotor to warp in the first place. That and this has happened twice now at 15k mile intervals tells me something stinks in either GM’s design, or the materials used in the first place and should have been covered under warranty.

    I understand where your coming from, I just disagree that I should accept that brakes do this. The way I drive and care for my truck I should get 60k out of a set of brakes.

    We gonna hit the pond again sometime soon? Been what? 3 years?

    nick
    Lakeville, MN
    Posts: 4977
    #926932

    I hear ya, I fully understand where you’re coming from, I’m just not sure you’ll win or it’s worth the headache. I’m a strong believer in doing what’s right and standing behind your product and work, truth is, rarely do most businesses or owners/dealerships.

    Heck Yeah we gotta get out, my fishing has really been lacking this past couple years. I’m can’t wait for feb. and redwing in the boat

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