Lowrance HDS/LSS or Humminbird SI?

  • Brian Robinson
    central Neb
    Posts: 3914
    #1237936

    Ok, I know I’m driving Wade wild with my chronic indecisiveness (there really should be a support group, but don’t know if I could decide to go or not ), but I was pretty much set on an SI ‘bird. But now I’m wondering if I should give Lowrance’s structure scan a harder look, after seeing them in person recently.

    I have done more research and hands on stuff with a ‘bird, and really like the option that you can move your cursor anywhere on your SI and mark something 300’ away from the boat, very cool. I don’t know if Lowrance’s HDS do that or not.

    But beyond that feature alone, what do you say, and why? Why would you go ‘bird, or why would you go Lowrance?

    perch_44
    One step ahead of the Warden.
    Posts: 1589
    #864779

    i’m tossing the idea around too. and after looking at both, i feel that the lowrance is a better unit. it has a better screen, and i like that the structure scan is a seperate unit, which means it is cheaper to put multiple SI locators in the boat.

    the problem with the Lowrance – Better hope you don’t have any issues with it. with how bad lowrance’s service has been lately, i honestly believe that is main driving factor towards people buying humminbird.

    the HD screen on the lowrance alone i think completely separates the two units apart. look at it this way, would you buy a new tv today, with all the bells and whistles, yet a standard definition picture? no…

    just my $.02

    bigpike
    Posts: 6259
    #864783

    I cant speak for the bird – never owned one. I absolutely love the night screen on the HD Lowrance. The interface is very easy to use though I am still learning some of the fine adjustments on the unit. Just bought the structre scan this Friday so I am really looking forward to hooking it up and playing. Either unit opens up a whole new world. I like the downsacn feature on the Lowrance and I dont think the bird has this option…Happy shopping

    dandorn
    M.I.N.N.E.S.O.T.A.
    Posts: 3207
    #864784

    Quote:


    I have done more research and hands on stuff with a ‘bird, and really like the option that you can move your cursor anywhere on your SI and mark something 300’ away from the boat, very cool. I don’t know if Lowrance’s HDS do that or not.


    You’ll have this capability with the HDS & StructureScan.

    When you have time watch the SturctureScan videos on their

    website. http://www.lowrance.com

    bigpike
    Posts: 6259
    #864785

    Yes you can save waypoints and or objects off to the side of the boat, also you can measure distance from one odject to another in side scan. Neat!

    Brian Robinson
    central Neb
    Posts: 3914
    #864786

    Quote:


    I like the downsacn feature on the Lowrance and I dont think the bird has this option


    Yup, I do know the new ‘bird units have the downscan, which is important to have. I appreciate the comments on the Lowrance units- I’ll definitely go check out their web site vids when I get more time later.

    Keep the votes comin–

    Brian Robinson
    central Neb
    Posts: 3914
    #864791

    Something else I just thought of. I didn’t list it earlier because I just assumed that it wouldn’t work, but now I’m curious.
    I currently run a 332c Lowrance and have the network on it. My fuel sensor is part of that network and gives me GPH, MPG, etc. It’s a blue connector. Is there any way it would work with the new HDS?

    tweak
    Posts: 128
    #864795

    I faced the same dilemna and went HDS.

    You hit one reason with the NMEA2000 network. I wanted to keep using that because I have the fuel flow sensor on it. It takes a $20 cable to put the HDS unit on the network. I have the fuel flow info on my HDS and it and my older LCX use the netwrok to sync waypoints.

    Lowrance has taken a real beating on this forum and others about customer service. I have never contacted them because I have not had problems with their products. I have noticed in the past weeks Lowrance has stepped up forum presence and on some popular sites Lowrance technical people are answering questions. They have Lowrance in their signature and mention they are montioring more sites and improving their customer service efforts. So I think improvements are being made and the 2 year warranty helped me feel more comfortable too.

    The HDS images are amazing right out of the box. It is like watching tv.

    Like you, I did alot of research. Feel free to PM me if I can help.

    Tom P.
    Whitehall Wi.
    Posts: 3518
    #864809

    I have had Lowrances for over 30 years, I have not ever had a major issue with any of them.

    The 797c2SI that I have now has been extremely reliable and the interface is much easier to use then the LR`s. What impresses me about Hbird is there willingness to go the extra to make updates work with older models if at all possible. My 797 at first was not going to be able to handle downscan because of hardware reasons. Hbird techs rewrote code to make it work with the limited precessor power in the 797 in my book that is unbeleivable customer support. It seems any time LR comes out with something new they want me to buy a new unit to get the option. IE sidescan… buy the unit but if you want sidescan have to buy the add on which when added up costs more then the Hbird.

    One quick question when comparing Hbird units to LR units which were you comparing?

    Good luck it is a tough one to make. I voted Hbird.

    rmartin
    United States
    Posts: 1434
    #864823

    I do not own either of the 2 units, but I do know that the Structure scan is a separate package and requires the installation of another transducer. The Hbird transducer is an all in one unit.

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #864841

    I’m on board with Humminbird after running Lowrance for many years. I’ve got the 1197C at dash now. Can’t complain about how my Lowrance operated over the long run, but customer service was frustrating for me. Not sure what is going to pan out in regards to the Side Imaging battle between the two companies, but no doubt SI is SPACE AGE technology when it comes to IN DEPTH angling. I give Humminbird huge thumbs up for the innovation!! Revolutionary technology no doubt.

    perch_44
    One step ahead of the Warden.
    Posts: 1589
    #864844

    Quote:


    I’m on board with Humminbird after running Lowrance for many years. I’ve got the 1197C at dash now. Can’t complain about how my Lowrance operated over the long run, but customer service was frustrating for me. Not sure what is going to pan out in regards to the Side Imaging battle between the two companies, but no doubt SI is SPACE AGE technology when it comes to IN DEPTH angling. I give Humminbird huge thumbs up for the innovation!! Revolutionary technology no doubt.


    Chris,

    how much can we really believe your opinion is unbiased? you are a presence on this forum, and probably receive discounted pricing.

    i have been told first hand by 2 people on this forum alone that were approached by hbird and/or lowrance and asked “talk their product up” on the forums, and in the return, get a unit for damn near free.

    just from what everyone says, the customer service appears above and beyond with Hbird. but, when you compare the two products, the lowrance provides a better image and better screen.

    and that creates the thousand dollar question, are you willing to sacrifice and go with a product with an inferior image, just for customer service? or do you roll the dice with lowrance and hope that it never breaks?

    and on another note, i’m not trying to start a battle with sponsors/field staff, etc, but its tough to take an opinion from someone that odds are is on the company dollar. and if they are not, its still hard to believe them when they tell you they aren’t.

    magnum165
    Baldwin, WI
    Posts: 211
    #864851

    I put a HDS 5 on my bow and a HDS 7 on the back by the tiller and I absoulutely love them. Awesome units!

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #864852

    I promote Sponsors of In Depth Outdoors that have products that I personally believe in, and use in my personal guide business. Is Humminbird even a SPONSOR of IDO?? LOL!! I guess I should know that since I should be getting one for FREE!! Silly me. I happen to believe that customer service is something worth mentioning in the world we live in. It has fallen by the wayside in so many companies. If you feel as a full-time licensed fishing guide I would utilize an inferior product line your dead wrong sir. Never have NEVER WILL. I PERSONALLY BELIEVE SI on the Humminbird 1197C is DOMINATE Period, and that is why I mentioned it. Wasn’t aware that I could have an opinion unless it might potentially contradict yours. Catching big fish is FAR FAR FAR more important to my business than any potential or future discounts. If you feel a pro-staff member like myself, or nearly any full-time/Professional fisherman shouldn’t be able to promote a product because he potentially received a small pro-staff discount your welcome to your opinion. Reflecting on your philosophy I might assume you also discount the words of Doctors,Builders, Plumbers,Painters, Electricians, all retail stores………Contractors receive wholesale pricing on building supplies?? I might be as bold as to assume you feel the same with all fields where a professional recommends ANYTHING regarding a product or service for that matter?? Is it to be assumed you would not take their recommendations when building your home since they receive a product at a wholesale price?? Once again Perch you are entitled to your opininion.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #864862

    Quote:


    Quote:


    I’m on board with Humminbird after running Lowrance for many years. I’ve got the 1197C at dash now. Can’t complain about how my Lowrance operated over the long run, but customer service was frustrating for me. Not sure what is going to pan out in regards to the Side Imaging battle between the two companies, but no doubt SI is SPACE AGE technology when it comes to IN DEPTH angling. I give Humminbird huge thumbs up for the innovation!! Revolutionary technology no doubt.


    Chris,

    how much can we really believe your opinion is unbiased? you are a presence on this forum, and probably receive discounted pricing.


    Perch

    Jason Halfen is the only member of the IDO Staff that has any factory level affiliation with Humminbird, or Lowrance for that matter, to my knowledge. I bet Chris would be willing to show you his itemized invoice from Skeeter Boat Center and his subsequent loan to pay for it all.

    Quote:


    i have been told first hand by 2 people on this forum alone that were approached by hbird and/or lowrance and asked “talk their product up” on the forums, and in the return, get a unit for damn near free.


    Golly gee wizz… I sure hope I get approached soon. Please… don’t believe everything you hear. I pay cost with Jolly Ann or Skeeter Boat Center on all my electronics… and I own the place. There isn’t a company anywhere that is handing out “nearly free” units in exchange for personal endorsement from guys on a website. How people get this impression is beyond me.

    John Shear
    Chippewa Falls, WI
    Posts: 205
    #864900

    Quote:


    I do not own either of the 2 units, but I do know that the Structure scan is a separate package and requires the installation of another transducer. The Hbird transducer is an all in one unit.


    Be careful there. While HBird designed it to be an all-in-one unit, that doesn’t work out very well in
    real use. So now they recommend rigging two seperate transducers (SI and skimmer) and using a Y cable to merge them. The software somehow figures out which to receive signals from.
    What StructureScan does now that HBird doesn’t, is allow you to see the side-scan on two HDS sonar units with one SI transducer. The 2D sonar is still the same transducer as before. I hear HBird will be adding ethernet capability to catch up.
    To address another person’s opinion that buying an HDS plus LSS ends up costing more than a Hbird, that isn’t neccessarily so. Look in the catalogs and you’ll see they offer a package deal so the cost of buying an HDS plus LSS as a package is a couple hundred $$ cheaper than buying seperately, and comes in close to the cost of a HBird of comparable screen size. Also depends what mapping option you choose on the Lowrance.
    Both units offer exceptional displays and for the most part I think similar features and functionality. In my humble opinion, Lowrance fell way behind, but has leap-frogged HBird for the time being, and I expect HBird to keep working to leap-frog Lowrance. Whichever you buy, I know you will be amazed and not regret it.

    John

    Brian Robinson
    central Neb
    Posts: 3914
    #864906

    Thanks for the opinion and thoughts, Granrud. I know a lot of guys are liking the ‘birds, and I just haven’t heard about Lowrance LSS much at all.

    The nearest cabela’s to me has only the HDS on display, so I guess I’ll go see if they have the 7 there. The Kearney store is pretty lame.

    I am most interested in the 898c SI vs the HDS 7. I know the screen is a bit bigger on the 898c, so that’s another thing I want to take into consideration. Oh the agony of a big decision….

    Joel Ballweg
    Sauk City, Wisconsin
    Posts: 3295
    #864964

    Quote:


    i have been told first hand by 2 people on this forum alone that were approached by hbird and/or lowrance and asked “talk their product up” on the forums, and in the return, get a unit for damn near free.


    First hand, second hand knowledge.
    What’s that worth?

    jkskeet
    Posts: 35
    #864993

    It’s kinda like buying an expensive car. If a guys told me ‘hey i’ll sell this car to ya and it looks like a million bucks but if it breaks dont bother calling’ then i’d probably keep looking. Now if he said ‘I have this one that looks great and is extremely reliable and on top of it if you have ANY problems please contact me’ — well i am no dummy but what would you buy??

    Customer service and word of mouth can kill or excell your buisness and that is what’s going on with lowrance. They just dont seem as realible as they used to be and now it’s darn near impossible to get them repaired without pulling some teeth out.. Everyone has their own opinion but mine goes with the bird..

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #865000

    There is little doubt that both of these units will take anglers at “IN DEPTH” to yet another level of understanding what lurks beneath the surface. In structure filled lakes like Rainy this is going to be a dream if it pans out like I imagine. Side imaging thousands of island to isolate the ones with rock piles or scattered boulders for big smallies?? Without it Bass guys in my opinion are immediately at a disadvantage vs. the guys that can operate it efficiently. I have my SI set for 100 feet port and starboard. When isolating a scattered rock pile, tree, or anything off an island that may hold fish I will be moving my cursor to that position and dropping a waypoint on that piece of structure. I then will be enabled to come back to further investigate in 2D, and hopefully find lurking bass. Just one application I am excited about utilizing from the beginning. Like anything I believe a thorough understanding of your electronics will be crucial to maximize the benefits of whichever unit anglers decide should best fit their needs. Customer support beyond the king pins (Humminbird/Lowrance) may ultimately be the key to anglers satisfaction. Currently I have a Tutorial from the Skeeter Boat Center to start my education to actually apply the capabilities of the unit to my fishing business. I believe Jason Halfen would be a tremendous resource for anglers in Southern Minnesota and Wisconsin to help understand their Humminbird unit should they go this route. This may be the biggest key of all regardless of which unit is purchased. Who knows how to run there unit to its fullest potential. As we all know as a weekend angler it can be difficult remembering how to operate sophisticated electronics simply because you don’t get to do it as much. From the initial run throughs there is no doubt lots to absorbe, and I look forward to having the time on the water to utilize/visualize all this 1197C can do. Actually probably nice that some will choose Lowrance, and some Humminbird so we can provide information to all anglers on the benefits to upgrading sonar/mapping devices.

    Great topic with such advances taking place. I am sure there are many many people that are interested.

    perch_44
    One step ahead of the Warden.
    Posts: 1589
    #865026

    Quote:


    It’s kinda like buying an expensive car. If a guys told me ‘hey i’ll sell this car to ya and it looks like a million bucks but if it breaks dont bother calling’ then i’d probably keep looking. Now if he said ‘I have this one that looks great and is extremely reliable and on top of it if you have ANY problems please contact me’ — well i am no dummy but what would you buy??

    Customer service and word of mouth can kill or excell your buisness and that is what’s going on with lowrance. They just dont seem as realible as they used to be and now it’s darn near impossible to get them repaired without pulling some teeth out.. Everyone has their own opinion but mine goes with the bird..


    thats what i was getting at originally. i truly do feel that lowrance puts the superior product on the shelf, but if you have problems with it, good luck….

    H-bird – not quite as good of a unit, but better customer service.

    that makes for a predicament…

    311hemi
    Dayton, MN
    Posts: 742
    #865038

    I just went through the debate of 898si or the HDS7. Wade said my HD7 should be arriving here Wed!

    Based on all the images I have seen on all the forums I believe the HDS systems down scan gives a sharper/clearer image than the HB. That was one of the bigger reasons for me (along with the Lowrance rebate coupon from and old unit). The HD mapping was also something I was interested in, I am just hoping that Lowrance adds the features that are exclusive to HB Lakemaster at this time…..such as the depth selection feature and the lake level adjustment feature. I also wonder if the HB has the same target separation as the Lowrance with the broadband digital processing.

    Have never had an issue with Lowrance in the past…let’s hope that continues!!

    wallgeye
    Richfield, MN
    Posts: 157
    #865254

    Might be late to the party, but here it goes.

    2 years ago I installed a LCX-113HD, a LCX-37C and a H-bird 1197SI. Since then, the 113 has been replaced not once, but two times, once for an internal connection from the transducer that failed, leaving me with no sonar functions at all. Second failure was when something inside broke or fell apart or an extra screw was left inside. Anyways, something was loose and rattling around inside and all I could think of a screw shorting out the board inside. That took a call to Linda Colt, who I remind everyone is no longer there. (What happened to all the hand washing of Lowrance after that I wonder?)

    The 37C gave up the ghost late last summer, worked fine the previous weekend, after launching the boat I fired up the electronics and was greeted by a horrible screeching noise and no screen activity at all. When I contacted Lowrance, I asked and was denied an upgrade to an HDS AND they charged me $300 some bucks to send it in out of warranty and get it replaced. I got it so late in the fall I still have not had it on the boat and fired up, it is already out of warranty and has not been turned on yet.

    The Humminbird during this?? Just been Hummin along pretty as you please, no issues at all. Again all three units installed at the same time.

    Fed up with quality of Lowrance products I have purchased.

    Fed up with customer service, or lack of at Lowrance.

    The “roll the dice” on who you may talk to when you do make a call, will they know more or less then you about the problem? Will they offer you an upgrade for your broken unit or will you get the person having a bad day who will do nothing to help you out.

    Am tired of canned “they are on back order for 3 months” each time I have needed a unit replaced. The one Linda helped me with showed up in 3 weeks, I was told 3 months so I had a pleasant suprise there.

    The no turning back, and hang everyone out to dry that has purchased last years models, buy a LCX-110? out luck the next year when they added the network port, buy a 113? outta luck using the 4000 series gps puck to it’s full potential. (or am I mistaken here?) Your also out of luck with the side imaging. Seems to me the box bolted outside of the head unit is what generates the signal, the screen would simply display what is fed to it. Software can be upgraded, see humminbirds addition, at no charge I might add, of the down-scan a few months ago. Be nice if they could toss a bone to owners of previous models on occasion. or leave some backwards compatability in new units.

    Buy one of those hot broad band black boxes for $600? Anyone miffed like I was that they were included inside the units the following year?
    My guess, the same thing happens with the side-imaging next year and will somehow not be compatable with previous models. At least without spending more money.

    Replacing transducers almost yearly or when ever anything happens with the sonar, seems that was always Lowrance’s first suggestion to me was to replace the transducer. Those things aren’t cheap!

    Am I bitter? You bet! I have $5k in electronics that cannot seem to make it more then one season without dying on me. I am not a guide, I probably make it out for a total of 30 days a season at max. I remove all the electronics and place them in padded cases from Cabela’s everytime I take the boat out of the water. Treat em like fine china and still they break. Too soon in my opinion.

    When these die, and I don’t think it will take long. Humminbird will take it’s place.

    Brian Robinson
    central Neb
    Posts: 3914
    #865294

    Wow, lots of good info here guys, thanks! It’s appreciated and I’m sure more people than just me are getting some good info from it.
    I will have to say I’m very surprised and glad I put the vote up. I figured it’d be a landslide for HB, but right now Lowrance is in the lead by 1!
    I’m fishing with Garver tomorrow, so I’ll get a firsthand view of the HDS in action. Who knows, it might just sway me to keep with Lowrance….we’ll see….

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #865307

    Quote:


    I’m fishing with Garver tomorrow,


    Charge him extra!

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #865314

    I feel your pain Wallgeye!! This is what I was referring to earlier, and for ME is simply unacceptable business. To each their own though. If I’m Dumping $2-5k in something Customer service should I need it is expected. The Skeeter Boat center completley rigged my boat with my HB electronics 788C at Bow, and 1197C at dash. What a awesome job they did I may add!! They both Run perfectly from the get go on first test yesterday, and I know those boys take care of customers should anything go wrong. I like that!! THAT IS WORTH a LOT to me!!

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #865418

    This is one of the better posts I’ve seen in a long while. I think they are both good companies with great products. I’ve been struggling for a while and the prices of this fine equipment is tough for the weekend angler to do. Competition is what I want to see and it looks like there is finally some for HBIRD. This site would just be another message board if it weren’t for the experienced guides who frequent this site.

    311hemi
    Dayton, MN
    Posts: 742
    #865703

    Anyone know what it will cost to get an 1197ci fixed once it’s out of warranty, or will HB just do it for free?

    I understand the customer service concerns (or lack there of) from Lowrance, but paying to get a unit serviced/replaced after the warranty expires is not unheard of. Having the only option to get a unit serviced/replaced on back order (forcing you to wait) is bad service….I will give you that.

    Joe Scegura
    Alexandria MN
    Posts: 2758
    #866167

    Quote:


    i truly do feel that lowrance puts the superior product on the shelf, but if you have problems with it, good luck….

    H-bird – not quite as good of a unit, but better customer service.

    that makes for a predicament…


    For what it’s worth I talked to a Lowrance rep a few weeks ago. Supposedly Lowrance is in the process of hiring over 20 new customer service people. It sounds like they’re admitting they had some issues in customer service, but want everyone to know that they’ll be there for their customers if they happen to need help.

    I’ve always used Lowrance products but I was truly on the fence until I heard this. I’ll be happy to stay with Lowrance now that I know they want my business and will have the support there if I need it.

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