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Eelpoutguy wrote:

It kinda feels like a Friday night. Might need a beer.

I can’t drink anymore so believe it or not all my responses are made totally sober.

I thought you also drank those on Tuesday mornings lol
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Only on days ending in Y

DT in 2016
Neither in 2020. (voted third party)
Neither in 2024. (voted third party)

I’ll tell anyone who asks. I’m one of those crazy radical people who thinks the 2 party system sucks but has TRUE conservative views of the world and government, minus not giving a crap about 90% of the social issues thrown out for reactions.

I’m still holding on to the wager that DT will outspend any previous President and keep that pattern rolling.

I voted for DT.. who could vote for the kackler and tampon timmy ? Are you serious ? Tell me you voted for them !!! I voted for Trump because he is doing EXACTLY what he said he would do. He is trying to end senseless slaughter, but why should you care, they are an ocean away. As far as the comment about his first term , he had this country rocking… he was on his way to his 2nd term then and then….. the plandemic. So crooked that Biden had to pardon the fools involved, Fauci back to 2014… wtf ??? The attention span and absorption rate of information that people retain, is so low these days.. anybody remember when Bidens kid made million$ in Ukraine, flew hookers out from Cali to have some fun ? Most have moved on.. nothing happens, no accountability at all. And people still believe what MSM says ? Doctored interviews… to try and make a candidate look smart.. that was not election interference. Sit back and let the adults handle it.

Matt,
Why hasn’t any past president in the last 50 years been able to control spending?

There is no how to book on how to turn this ship around. I’m all for cutting the snakes head off.

Brutally difficult decisions need to be made.
Some won’t be able to stomach what’s to come. History has shown nothing has been working.

Eelpoutguy wrote:

Brutally difficult decisions need to be made.
Some won’t be able to stomach what’s to come. History has shown nothing has been working.

Yep. It won’t bother me if entire departments disappear. If the tariffs and deportations work at all there should be plenty of jobs available in the private sector. And yes, I do expect to feel some financial pain from all of it. So be it.

big_g wrote:

I voted for DT.. who could vote for the kackler and tampon timmy ? Are you serious ? Tell me you voted for them !!! I voted for Trump because he is doing EXACTLY what he said he would do. He is trying to end senseless slaughter, but why should you care, they are an ocean away. As far as the comment about his first term , he had this country rocking… he was on his way to his 2nd term then and then….. the plandemic. So crooked that Biden had to pardon the fools involved, Fauci back to 2014… wtf ??? The attention span and absorption rate of information that people retain, is so low these days.. anybody remember when Bidens kid made million$ in Ukraine, flew hookers out from Cali to have some fun ? Most have moved on.. nothing happens, no accountability at all. And people still believe what MSM says ? Doctored interviews… to try and make a candidate look smart.. that was not election interference. Sit back and let the adults handle it.

Well said.
Trump does care and is trying to right the ship. The one thing I didn’t like in his first term was the spending but then again Congress controls the purse strings.
I did vote for him but I don’t consider myself a Republican.
As for his first term. He has said numerous times there was some things he didn’t know when it came to how Washington worked. You can definitely tell he has learned this go around. Another thing about his first term. He had way too many people that wanted the job but didn’t accept the vision he had and ran on.
Last but not least he was on defense a lot as well. The whole Russian collusion hoax. Hillary definitely funded it but it originated in Ukraine. Between Covid, the Russian collusion hoax and Biden’s cognitive decline I trust no main stream media.
I tend to look at politicians as + and -. Here lately there isn’t many democrats that get any +’s with me if any at all.

Yikes. I’m outta this thread.

I hope none of you lose your jobs for no reason like some of the federal workers are.

The complete lack of empathy shown in this thread is unbelievable.

If I lose my job because I cannot list 5 things I did in a week, I am thinking I deserved it. Empathy and budgeting money are not cohesive.

Matt Moen wrote:

Yikes. I’m outta this thread.

I hope none of you lose your jobs for no reason like some of the federal workers are.

The complete lack of empathy shown in this thread is unbelievable.

I hope none of you that have worked in the private sector have ever loss your job.. happens all the time.

I’m back…I can’t let this go.

So, your argument is that because it happens in the private sector it makes it ok?

I’m surprised I’m the minority opinion here but I’ve been the guy making the decisions on who loses their jobs. For how flippant you guys are about it it tells me you’ve never been in that position.

There is a way to let people go with some level of dignity and empathy. I don’t disagree that jobs need to be cut but to think this is the right way is really surprising to me.

Matt Moen wrote:

Yikes. I’m outta this thread.

I hope none of you lose your jobs for no reason like some of the federal workers are.

The complete lack of empathy shown in this thread is unbelievable.

People in the private sector lose their jobs every day. We move on and find a new one. It’s not the end of the world.
With the debt we have as a nation, I think we should be eliminating the unnecessary employees and spending wherever possible.

Are these people forced to be paraded in front of cnn, abc and cbs cameras by Doge or is it their choice ? Are people being publicly humiliated or brought into the board room and being told “your fired” by Trump himself ? I am guessing 99% of them know they are not contributing and have been skating for years. Show me one person performing a necessary task for a fair wage who was fired and I could have some sympathy. I have let plenty of people go… but never one who was working hard and earning it. Those who were not, it was easier and not as upsetting as one would think, they did it to themselves.

Matt Moen wrote:

I’m back…I can’t let this go.

So, your argument is that because it happens in the private sector it makes it ok?

There is a way to let people go with some level of dignity and empathy. I don’t disagree that jobs need to be cut but to think this is the right way is really surprising to me.

Yes, what makes a government employee different?

What’s your idea for a more empathetic way to lay someone off? Wine and dine first?
It sucks for them, but people deal with it every day.
Suck it up and move on.

People in the private sector lose their jobs daily and find out when their badge doesnt unlock the door and they cannot get into the building and see that had an email from a superior. No conversation ever had. Is it wrong? Yep. Its spineless, but that is the nature of business these days.

I’m gonna end on this because it’s obvious some of us don’t see eye to eye on this and that’s ok.

There is a way to lay some one off with some level of dignity. First, do it face to face. Second, tell them why. Third, give them access to resources to help them find their next job and explain any sort of severance they get. This is how it’s done in the private sector even if the reason is just to cut costs.

I know plenty of people in the private sector struggling to find jobs. It’s not as easy as “just move on.”

Now, the walleye bite on P2 was good last night so I’m gonna restring some rods and wait out this snow storm.

Have at it fellas.

Anybody struggling to find a job right now isn’t looking very hard or is too picky. If paying the bills and feeding the family is the priority, finding income is not difficult, if you’re willing to earn it. That may be the hard part for some.

Politics intersects with everything, that does not mean you have to get into it, so I tip my hat to……….
KFAN. They are fun to listen to because they are silly but well informed on sports. Part of the fun is they do not get near politics. Lots of purely political sites if you want to get worked up. Let’s keep IDO fun.
My untaxed and untarifed 2 pennies.

big G, I had no doubt who you voted for but thanks for the clarity. I don’t see how you can claim to be a fiscal conservative and wear the red hat, but that’s you’re business. The man is many things but he is NOT that.

I am a left-leaning moderate who has concerns about the way BOTH parties have handled the economy. yes I voted for Harris and I ain’t afraid to say it. I already know how I’m perceived here by people who make quick judgments and jump to conclusions, it means literally nothing to me. I am here primarily to talk about fishing the river and secondarily to expose myself to different views than my own. I don’t agree with many of you but I’m interested in knowing what you think, where you’re coming from, what your priorities are, etc.

Why did I vote for Harris? Because I believe trump is the greater threat of the 2. Like Matt I believe he will outspend them all and leave us in an even worse position. Gender and sexual issues are a non-issue to me. I literally do not care. Tampons for everyone! I also place a very high value on our public lands and natural resources and I don’t believe trump will act to defend and uphold my values on that front.

Matt & Bucky, appreciate the level-headed and non-reactive responses. My question was asked in good faith and it’s nice to have the responses reciprocate that.

dirtywater wrote:

I’m interested in knowing what you think, where you’re coming from, what your priorities are, etc.

I agree and appreciate everyone sharing their opinions respectfully (mostly) on this wide ranging discussion. I hope it continues (although this post maybe the kiss of death )

grubson wrote:

Anybody struggling to find a job right now isn’t looking very hard or is too picky. If paying the bills and feeding the family is the priority, finding income is not difficult, if you’re willing to earn it. That may be the hard part for some.

A lot of these people went to school and moved to rural areas to take government jobs. They bought houses or signed leases. Not always easy to replace those jobs with a similar job or a similar pay. People assume it is DC where most of these jobs are. A lot of rural people going to be in a tough spot.

I’ll refrain from commenting on this but I will say 99% of what has been posted about government workers is completely inaccurate in this thread.

Matt, dirtywater, thank you for your support.

That is all

Matt Moen wrote:

The other issue are women’s rights, more specifically allowing biological males to play women’s sports. I have a 9 yo daughter and I can’t imagine how anyone could justify allowing boys to play against girls. The democrats are on the wrong of that issue.

I have a 7 & 9 year old and I hope they get rid of that crap. Just like using whatever bathroom you think you identify at. How anyone can honestly think a guy tucking his weiner should be able to share a bathroom with girls or women is an idiot.

smallie83 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>grubson wrote:</div>
Anybody struggling to find a job right now isn’t looking very hard or is too picky. If paying the bills and feeding the family is the priority, finding income is not difficult, if you’re willing to earn it. That may be the hard part for some.

A lot of these people went to school and moved to rural areas to take government jobs. They bought houses or signed leases. Not always easy to replace those jobs with a similar job or a similar pay. People assume it is DC where most of these jobs are. A lot of rural people going to be in a tough spot.

They took that risk when they went to school for a specialized field and moved to a rural area where employment in the field is very limited.

We have all had ups and downs, we have all had lay offs. Government employees should be able to survive off the severance package they were offered. Between that and unemployment they will get to the next job just like the rest of us. Jobs are not a guarantee, I see layoffs happen all the time. End of the world, not at all.

JEREMY wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matt Moen wrote:</div>
The other issue are women’s rights, more specifically allowing biological males to play women’s sports. I have a 9 yo daughter and I can’t imagine how anyone could justify allowing boys to play against girls. The democrats are on the wrong of that issue.

I have a 7 & 9 year old and I hope they get rid of that crap. Just like using whatever bathroom you think you identify at. How anyone can honestly think a guy tucking his weiner should be able to share a bathroom with girls or women is an idiot.

It is very sad that people don’t care about that. It is very sad that we don’t protect and stand for our wives, daughters, sisters, and mothers.

Bearcat89 wrote:

We have all had ups and downs, we have all had lay offs. Government employees should be able to survive off the severance package they were offered. Between that and unemployment they will get to the next job just like the rest of us. Jobs are not a guarantee, I see layoffs happen all the time. End of the world, not at all.

I agree 100%.
I have worked construction most of my career. I always joked and said it’s the one job you bust your butt to get laid off from when the job was done.

I have seen projects get shut down for various reasons and every one is sent packing right away.

It doesn’t matter to me where you are employed. If you suck/loafer/cheater etc you need to go.

Matt, I run my own business and my motto is “aint anybody that I hire, that I can’t fire” and when I fire someone and theres been plenty, it’s face to face. Actually I just fired my best friend last week because he was a loafer. It’s business.
Empathy takes backseat to business.

The kumbaya lovefest of D’s and Rino’s in here is so cute. I don’t consider myself a fiscal conservative ? I consider myself a person who uses commonsense first. Does it make sense to spend money on a piece of art in a park or on strengthening our depleted military ? Again, Trump is handed a military that is depleted and weakened, that is gonna cost money to fix. I would rather my tax dollars go to securing our country, because no matter how much art is in the park, there are people who want ALL Americans dead. You don’t have to worry about it though, because its all rainbows and kittens in your world. Thank you to all the commonsense folks, who work real jobs and could be fired in a second, if you didn’t do 5 things in a week on the clock… I won’t call them out by name.

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