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Umy wrote:

Zelenskyy wins.

Who cares if he wins?! The people of Ukraine lose if their illegally seized land stays in the hands of Russia. This deal doesn’t realistically move them any closer to that, it just gives them more US funds which only buys them time to eventually die fighting for land that trump doesn’t care about them re-gaining. All he wants is to be able to say “I made a deal and ended the war.”

The end of the war won’t be a positive thing for Ukraine if they don’t regain their territory and don’t have any protections against future assaults from Russia.

dirtywater wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Umy wrote:</div>
Zelenskyy wins.

Who cares if he wins?! The people of Ukraine lose if their illegally seized land stays in the hands of Russia. This deal doesn’t realistically move them any closer to that, it just gives them more US funds which only buys them time to eventually die fighting for land that trump doesn’t care about them re-gaining. All he wants is to be able to say “I made a deal and ended the war.”

The end of the war won’t be a positive thing for Ukraine if they don’t regain their territory and don’t have any protections against future assaults from Russia.

This is really what it comes down to for me. If Ukraine cedes territory then Russia has won and will be emboldened to do it again. That is the one thing Zelenskyy has been firm about.

And, all the hand wringing about Zelenskyy. First, have the Umy mentioned has been proven false with the houses and the money. Second, if we are going to be so flabbergasted by politicians that have monetarily gained from the system we should be looking in the mirror.

Matt Moen wrote:

<Second, if we are going to be so flabbergasted by politicians that have monetarily gained from the system we should be looking in the mirror.

I believe we are, that’s one of the things DOGE is working on and why half of DC is screaming. I don’t care what side they are on, if someone is taking my money for their personal gain, with nothing to show for in return, they are corrupt and need to be in prison. Watch Elons latest episode on Rogan from yesterday, he explains a lot of what is going on.

I have heard reports that Ukraine has been selling arms that we gave them on the black market for 20 cents on the dollar. I will believe it when it’s confirmed. It’s easy to want to believe it when you know Ukraine has been a very corrupt country long before Zelensky came along.

munchy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matt Moen wrote:</div>
<Second, if we are going to be so flabbergasted by politicians that have monetarily gained from the system we should be looking in the mirror.

I believe we are, that’s one of the things DOGE is working on and why half of DC is screaming. I don’t care what side they are on, if someone is taking my money for their personal gain, with nothing to show for in return, they are corrupt and need to be in prison. Watch Elons latest episode on Rogan from yesterday, he explains a lot of what is going on.

I’m with ya. I hope Trump and Doge root out the fraud regardless of who it involves. If there aren’t some republicans that get caught up in this it’s going seriously undermine credibility.

I’ll also add I’m not a fan of some of the Doge tactics. I think we’re still in shock and awe but I do think some hard working federal employees are being treated like garbage. I hope we start to be a bit more targeted and pragmatic in the approach Doge takes.

https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1895751157651251687

dirtywater wrote:

The end of the war won’t be a positive thing for Ukraine if they don’t regain their territory and don’t have any protections against future assaults from Russia.

If you guys think Ukraine is driving Russia out and reclaiming their land any other way than WW3, you are delusional. And if you think getting Donbas (ceded under Obama regime) or Crimea back to Ukraine are worth starting WW3 and/or Nuclear war you need to recalibrate yourself. Or sign up and go fight for Ukraine now, and donate your life earnings, they could use both. I will continue to advocate for peace, Trump, keeping our money and ending a war before my boys are old enough to have to fight in it.

I’m under no delusion they are getting Donbas or Crimea back. That ship has sailed. However, there are territories under dispute now and territories Ukraine has gained back. Those should be Ukraine’s as part of any peace treaty. If Russia completely controls a territory I see it being hard pressed for them to give them up. Anything Ukraine has gained back and/or is under dispute should be Ukraines.

I’ll also add that this discussion on WW3 is complete posturing. Russia knows, even with help from Iran and North Korea, they will get throttled. They showed their ineptitude already. Even with our weapons that the Ukrainians had, Russia should’ve steam rolled them. Maybe it gets interesting in China feigns interest but they have enough going on with Taiwan.

I’ll agree with your Werm that I would like this over and to see the aid dollars stop flowing.

Matt Moen wrote:

I’ll also add I’m not a fan of some of the Doge tactics. I think we’re still in shock and awe but I do think some hard working federal employees are being treated like garbage. I hope we start to be a bit more targeted and pragmatic in the approach Doge takes.

Thanks Matt.

This got so off topic

Youbetcha wrote:

This got so off topic

It’s the IDO way.

Matt Moen wrote:

I’m under no delusion they are getting Donbas or Crimea back. That ship has sailed. However, there are territories under dispute now and territories Ukraine has gained back. Those should be Ukraine’s as part of any peace treaty. If Russia completely controls a territory I see it being hard pressed for them to give them up. Anything Ukraine has gained back and/or is under dispute should be Ukraines.

I’ll also add that this discussion on WW3 is complete posturing. Russia knows, even with help from Iran and North Korea, they will get throttled. They showed their ineptitude already. Even with our weapons that the Ukrainians had, Russia should’ve steam rolled them. Maybe it gets interesting in China feigns interest but they have enough going on with Taiwan.

I’ll agree with your Werm that I would like this over and to see the aid dollars stop flowing.

X2 I should have been more clear that I didn’t mean Donbas/crimea. I believe those were illegally stolen as well but if we want to have any reasonable expectation of the end of this war some line has to be drawn or Russia will just keep fighting forever. But I haven’t heard Trump publicly support Ukraine’s right to secure even the more recently gained-back or disputed territories, so I’ll continue to be critical of that stance.

Re: politicians and their cronies profiting from their policies. Many of these government employee firings create the need to hire out contract work. The contractors will cost taxpayers more than the employees. The people who own the contracting firms are the elites who fund campaigns. Or maybe look at the contract Starlink is getting from the FAA and tell me Elon isn’t profiting from his relationship with DT.

dirtywater wrote:

<Or maybe look at the contract Starlink is getting from the FAA and tell me Elon isn’t profiting from his relationship with DT.

There is no contract he is taking over. The current system is failing, the new Verizon built system is not ready yet, he has sent Starlink systems to the FAA free of charge to keep everything running until something more permanent is ready. But yeah, he’s the bad guy.

Pretty sad when the leaders of Europe said flat out they don’t view the US as being the leader of the free world anymore.
And I suggest all against the US helping Ukraine read the Budapest Memorandum Accord….. if we can’t commit to a treaty that we, the US of A signed, then shame on us as a country.

munchy wrote:

he has sent Starlink systems to the FAA free of charge to keep everything running until something more permanent is ready. But yeah, he’s the bad guy.

I don’t even know why I’m wasting my time with this but it’s a lazy Sunday morning so why not…

A big part of what needs modernization is to replace TDM circuits (basically private dedicated lines) with IP based connectivity which is basically regular internet. I replaced many TDM circuits for customers in the last couple years and all we did was have them order Starlink and the problem was solved…

No, actually, the ISPs they use is literally the least important part and could be swapped out at any time. The actual work is how to connect their network to ours over those internet connections. There is a lot of equipment and configuration on both sides to make that happen in a way that is reliable and can deal with connectivity outages, regional outages, etc.

The only factors the internet connection plays is you want it to be generally reliable and diverse. For example, if I have two physical connections going out the same side of a building a backhoe could cut both of them at the same time. This is something that datacenters and serious businesses account for by having different ingress/egress points and ensuring physical lines don’t share the same path anywhere outside their building. If I used only Starlink what happens when it rains hard or their is high solar activity, those both interfere with it. Maybe physical and wireless (Starlink, cell, etc) would be a good mix, maybe wireless could be a third if all else fails option, and so on. Getting off track….

Ok, so simplest example is think of connecting to your work with a VPN. Does your work just ship you Starlink and you’re connected? No, it makes no difference what your home internet is; the VPN is what provides connectivity and Starlink is an option for it to ride on.

The idea that just shipping Starlink terminals somehow saves the FAA network from collapse is a joke.

jimmysiewert wrote:

Pretty sad when the leaders of Europe said flat out they don’t view the US as being the leader of the free world anymore.
And I suggest all against the US helping Ukraine read the Budapest Memorandum Accord….. if we can’t commit to a treaty that we, the US of A signed, then shame on us as a country.

Well most of Europe isn’t free, so they may struggle with the association for a few reasons. And breaking treaties is what we do best. But the Budapest Memorandum from 1994?!? Give me a break, the entire parameters have changed since then, mainly at US/Nato directives, including a US sponsored coup in Ukraine.

Again I’d encourage everyone to watch this, it’s a good breakdown of all the things the west has done since 1994: https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1895751157651251687

Not sure just how true it is but I read that Zelenskyy met with the Democrats before he met with Trump and told him what to ask for, even thou everything was agreed upon before the meeting. The meeting was suppose to be all pomp and circumstance be Zelenskyy started off by wanting more assurances by the US and that was not going to happen.

James Almquist wrote:

Not sure just how true it is but I read that Zelenskyy met with the Democrats before he met with Trump and told him what to ask for, even thou everything was agreed upon before the meeting. The meeting was suppose to be all pomp and circumstance be Zelenskyy started off by wanting more assurances by the US and that was not going to happen.

Zelensky met with a bipartisan group of Senators. There’s a picture of Klobuchar and Graham with Zelensky in the Strib.

It’s amazing how a couple guys on here literally know everything, have every answer to everything. It must get tiring. How do you have time to know every detail of every contract and every interaction. Lifes far to short. Or is it just great Google skills and the want to argue ?

Full draw wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Karry Kyllo wrote:</div>
Trump and Vance treated Zelensky like crap. Those two embarrassed the US.

I disagree entirely. With all the money we have given Ukraine you would think Zelensky could have bought a suit and tie.
Bottom line is don’t come into our house all cocky and arrogant when they need our help.

As for the rare earth minerals. Those will be ours even after today. Ukraine and Europe as a whole need the US. They just need to be showed that again.

The suit and tie thing is hilarious. First off, didn’t Trump himself say he liked his outfit? Spend a few minutes googling people who Trump has invited to the White House. Lots of people not dressed up. People are so soft these days. Find any reason to be upset.

Sorry Bigwerm – the accord was continued and agreed upon again in the mid 2000’s. I hope you don’t become a politician if you think it is ok to break promises/treaty’s.

stout93 wrote:

Zelensky will be gone in a few months…

Oh wait…he cancelled the elections…but what about “DEMOCRACY“???

They don’t hold elections during war. Is that really that hard to understand? You would have to be a complete idiot to think Putin wouldn’t screw with the election. Not to mention presenting the opportunities for bombing people in polling stations.

I can’t figure out if people are really this stupid, or really that naive.

smallie83 wrote:

The suit and tie thing is hilarious. First off, didn’t Trump himself say he liked his outfit? Spend a few minutes googling people who Trump has invited to the White House. Lots of people not dressed up. People are so soft these days. Find any reason to be upset.

No he didn’t he was being sarcastic saying “oh look, you’re all dressed up today, he’s all dressed up today” like he was a child.

Bearcat89 wrote:

It’s amazing how a couple guys on here literally know everything, have every answer to everything. It must get tiring. How do you have time to know every detail of every contract and every interaction. Lifes far to short. Or is it just great Google skills and the want to argue ?

Well, I’m on medical leave so I have all the time in the world to make sure that I do, in fact, have the answer to everything.

And yes, it is tiring being the smartest person on IDO.

/sarcasm

smallie83 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>stout93 wrote:</div>
Zelensky will be gone in a few months…

Oh wait…he cancelled the elections…but what about “DEMOCRACY“???

They don’t hold elections during war. Is that really that hard to understand? You would have to be a complete idiot to think Putin wouldn’t screw with the election. Not to mention presenting the opportunities for bombing people in polling stations.

I can’t figure out if people are really this stupid, or really that naive.

RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA

That’s all ya got?

munchy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matt Moen wrote:</div>
<Second, if we are going to be so flabbergasted by politicians that have monetarily gained from the system we should be looking in the mirror.

I believe we are, that’s one of the things DOGE is working on and why half of DC is screaming. I don’t care what side they are on, if someone is taking my money for their personal gain, with nothing to show for in return, they are corrupt and need to be in prison. Watch Elons latest episode on Rogan from yesterday, he explains a lot of what is going on.

Haha Didn’t president Elon once smoke weed on that podcast? A true professional who wears a hat at the white house. But people are upset about Zelensky.

“United we Stand – Divided we Fall”

For everyone saying Zelenskyy was a child for what he wore – I guess that makes Elon even more childish since he flaunted it.

Maybe all of us can be adults and say that both sides of the fence are wrong – and then come up with REAL solutions to our problems.

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jimmysiewert wrote:

“United we Stand – Divided we Fall”

For everyone saying Zelenskyy was a child for what he wore – I guess that makes Elon even more childish since he flaunted it.

Maybe all of us can be adults and say that both sides of the fence are wrong – and then come up with REAL solutions to our problems.

Elon is not a politician nor a president, what’s he wear make any difference?

jimmysiewert wrote:

Maybe all of us can be adults

Ugh, fine… But one more

Winston Churchill and the siren suit:

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“United we Stand – Divided we Fall”

For everyone saying Zelenskyy was a child for what he wore – I guess that makes Elon even more childish since he flaunted it.

Maybe all of us can be adults and say that both sides of the fence are wrong – and then come up with REAL solutions to our problems.

Bearcat89 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jimmysiewert wrote:</div>
“United we Stand – Divided we Fall”

For everyone saying Zelenskyy was a child for what he wore – I guess that makes Elon even more childish since he flaunted it.

Maybe all of us can be adults and say that both sides of the fence are wrong – and then come up with REAL solutions to our problems.

Elon is not a politician nor a president, what’s he wear make any difference?

The hypocrisy runs deep. VERY deep.

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Got no problem w how he dressed
Trump was being sarcastic
Dems AND republicans are getting rich off of ALL of us.
Zelenskyy has tons of money/possessions on our dime. That will be borne out – have you paid attention to what has already been uncovered?
– patience
Zelenskyy WINS if he stops sending his people to slaughter – does not win the war however – a win can be incremental
peace through strength works.
Europe is not coming to help. They have no real financial resources, have HUGE struggles w their immigrant populations and their leaders could care less about them ( germanys latest elections should provide you with some insight)
There is no good or easy answer here. Russia should never have invaded.
Ukraine should have stood up for itself.
We should never have given them all of the money we gave w/o some kind of oversight or plan in place.
Foreign policy is a difficult thing to manage in todays world and there are lots of bad people out there – (internally as well)
Finally, DOGE is doing what needs to be done. Our elected officials on both sides of the aisle have taken advantage of their positions.
DOGE – Blunt? Heavy handed?Mean?cruel?……..
There is no political time for your president to mess around. He needs to make change while he can. If we don’t keep control in the midterms this will grind to a halt and we are back on track to being broke. ( we pretty much already are) if you ran your own household the way that the govt has operated you would be living in a box under the overpass, trying to avoid creditors.
DRASTICALLY change needs to occur.
NONE of us is right or wrong. We have no access to all the pertinent facts. The differences in opinion should shed some light on how easy or not, tinks to solve our country’s problems.