Electric Trucks

hnd wrote:

We have 2 tesla Model 3’s for work vehicles. If they come out with a truck that works on the tesla charging network, i’d think about it.

That said, these things are dogs in the cold battery wise. a trip from the quad cities to omaha took almost 9 hours in 0 degree weather. we definitely played it safe. probably could of done it in 8 but that is still 2.5 hours longer than it takes with a gas powered vehicle.

I read that the model 3 didn’t include the battery heating features that the other models did and is a significant reason why they don’t perform very well in the cold. I also read that they work better when they are plugged in before use because that will heat the battery. This also helps the Tesla models that do heat the battery because it doesn’t have to use the battery energy to heat itself.

biggill wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jamin wrote:</div>
electric vehicles sitting on the ice in -30F temps for a 3-4 day weekend doesn’t promising.

Plug it into your generator?

Kind of ironic that you need to bring gas with to do that. Also, from my Model 3 Tesla owning buddies, charging on a 120v outlet (@ I believe about 12-15 amps) only gets them about 3 miles per hour of charge.

How much gas would one need to pack into their electric vehicle along with a generator to run the fish shack and keep their electric vehicle cozy for 3-4 days? (rhetorical because it varies by situation but I think it makes my point)

Again, IMO not a solution.

I was thinking more along the lines of warming the battery or even maintaining it. If you’re there for 2-3 days the generator is severely underutilized at night because it typically only needs to run the furnace. Again, case by case but there’s definitely some opportunity there.

I looked at Tesla’s charging stations and there is basically nothing NW of Brainerd. That’s a big hole for the LOTW fisherman. Not even feasible if you wanted to take a trip with a Tesla truck.

If you want to go “off the grid”….you can’t do it with a vehicle that operates “ON” the grid.

It reminds me of my absolute favorite TV commercial lol

What’s the carbon offset to an electric vehicle on your average mixed energy grid(nuclear, coal, solar, etc.)

Everyone makes a good point. An all electric vehicle will not be for every situation…yet. Cat has a electric drive dozer and excavator. Munchy brings up the heavy haul truck. Train engines are nothing more then diesel engines driving generators that power electric motors on each axil and they pull massive loads. It will come in time.

Double post.

Deuces wrote:

What’s the carbon offset to an electric vehicle on your average mixed energy grid(nuclear, coal, solar, etc.)

It varies greatly by state. I do believe in all states there is a net benefit though.

TFL Truck on youtube did a towing test with a Model X. It was LAUGHABLE the actual range with a trailer. They barely made 100 miles.

Tech is there, just needs to be refined.

404 ERROR wrote:

TFL Truck on youtube did a towing test with a Model X. It was LAUGHABLE the actual range with a trailer. They barely made 100 miles.

Tech is there, just needs to be refined.

I assume you are referring to this video?

The range on their model x is 325 miles, best case. They also towed at trailer at the max towing capacity of the car.

I get about 550-600 miles on a tank in my F150 empty. I get about 250 pulling my boat, around 5000 lbs. Ratchet that up to 10k and imagine what mileage I’d get.

I think those guys were overreacting a bit and were very poorly prepared for that test.

This thread is a hoot. Let me remind you that even tho a high percentage of you drive trucks, sportsmen still make up a TINY slice of the truck buying market. Look around the city, they’re everywhere. Electric is happening, period. They might not make a truck that’s ideal for 3 days on LOTW but they will market electric trucks sooner than later. And people will eat them up because the vast majority of truck drivers don’t demand anywhere near the level of performance that some of you are referencing.

tangler wrote:

This thread is a hoot. Let me remind you that even tho a high percentage of you drive trucks, sportsmen still make up a TINY slice of the truck buying market. Look around the city, they’re everywhere. Electric is happening, period. They might not make a truck that’s ideal for 3 days on LOTW but they will market electric trucks sooner than later. And people will eat them up because the vast majority of truck drivers don’t demand anywhere near the level of performance that some of you are referencing.

Now this I agree with.

What I don’t really agree with is limiting us folks that want different? That’s some of the problem here. Lots of city folks, I was kind, will drive a truck with no purpose in mind for the use of the truck.

Come to a rural area where there is no way your local gas station is going to have the plug in outlets that take 10-15 minutes to charge.

Lots of happenings I agree. Im not against it, I just don’t think it’s going to happen in “rural” America soon.

Does anyone know what it will cost per charge when you pull up to plug in? Will this all be coming through our local cooperative for electricity. They seemed stretched already. Does this make our house electric bill go up to help with paying for this?

Interesting editorial about Minnesota’s Governor wanting to adapt California Auto Emissions standards. http://www.startribune.com/california-fuel-standards-don-t-make-sense-for-minnesota/562563532/

biggill wrote:

I think those guys were overreacting a bit and were very poorly prepared for that test.

I was waiting for your knowledge filled response. Go ahead and stop to charge for hours every 200 miles (gave you a few extra. you know, because they were overreacting). I’ll have a beer waiting for you, just gotta get there before bar close…

Like I said. The tech is there, it just needs to be refined…

404 ERROR wrote:

I was waiting for your knowledge filled response. Go ahead and stop to charge for hours every 200 miles (gave you a few extra. you know, because they were overreacting). I’ll have a beer waiting for you, just gotta get there before bar close…

Like I said. The tech is there, it just needs to be refined…

What’s the difference if you stop for gas or stop for juice after 200 miles? Cost probably. A fair comparison would be to hook it up to a gas vehicle with a 325 mile range and see what it does.

Do you also watch their video reviewing the claims for the Atlis electric truck?
https://www.atlismotorvehicles.com/xt-truck

I use my pickup like a pickup not a grocery getter. Until battery tech catches up I won’t be trusting an electric pickup elk or mule deer hunting.

David Anderson wrote:

Interesting editorial about Minnesota’s Governor wanting to adapt California Auto Emissions standards. http://www.startribune.com/california-fuel-standards-don-t-make-sense-for-minnesota/562563532/

The EV industry seems to be doing just fine without government regulation. These vehicles will clearly sell themselves. No need for big brother to get involved. This is absurd if it is as the writer portrays it.

biggill wrote:

What’s the difference if you stop for gas or stop for juice after 200 miles?

Hours versus minutes…that’s the difference…

The “15 minute” charge time has never actually been proven. Goes back to what I’ve said 2 other times already…the tech is there, just needs to be refined.

ajw wrote:

I use my pickup like a pickup not a grocery getter. Until battery tech catches up I won’t be trusting an electric pickup elk or mule deer hunting.

Fifty years ago guys said this same thing when ATV’s started replacing pack horses.

The tech will catch up like it always does.

404 ERROR wrote:

The “15 minute” charge time has never actually been proven.

I did find this.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/atlis-motor-vehicles-charges-vehicle-battery-pack-in-less-than-13-minutes-300733487.html

MESA, Ariz., Oct. 18, 2018 /PRNewswire/ — Atlis Motor Vehicles, a startup electric pickup truck manufacturer, has completed and successfully tested their first large-scale prototype battery pack. The goal of the test was a full charge in 15 minutes, and Atlis achieved the full charge in 12 minutes, 35 seconds. This charge time of a vehicle battery in under 13 minutes is a first in the electric vehicle (EV) industry.

“We have completed preliminary testing of our prototype pack with fast charging capabilities, and we’re proud to announce that we did better than expected. We beat our charge time by 2 minutes and 25 seconds by charging a 3 kWh pack to full in 12 minutes 35 seconds,” CEO Mark Hanchett stated. Atlis Motor Vehicles selected an EVgo Level 3 fast charging station in the Phoenix area as a test site. “This was the key to proving our technology – recharge times for batteries is still one of the largest obstacles to wider adoption of electric vehicles.”

Could this technology be used for ATV/UTV’s or snowmobiles?

AnotherFisherman wrote:

Could this technology be used for ATV/UTV’s or snowmobiles?

Pretty sure they already exist. Plus they’ve had electric golf carts for decades.

https://ranger.polaris.com/en-us/ranger-ev/

Thank you @biggill

Great point about the golf carts… haha.

Merican Eagle, I’m really struggling over here.

Could you let me know where is exactly the tech is located? I’m also curious on it’s level of refinement, is it good or any needs from that perspective?

munchy wrote:

The true electric truck and also includes perpetual motion….Never needs to stop and recharge.

“The 45-ton eDumper drives up a 13-percent incline to pick up the 65 tons of lime and marl it needs to bring to a nearby cement factory. It’s so heavy when it drives back down that its regenerative braking system generates most or all of the energy used to go up the hill”

http://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/26/edumper-electric-mining-truck-self-charging/

I’m pretty sure any high school physics teacher will have big problem with this article. all that weight takes more energy to haul up the hill also.
the energy needs to come from some ware.

Jeff Gilberg wrote:

I’m pretty sure any high school physics teacher will have big problem with this article. all that weight takes more energy to haul up the hill also.
the energy needs to come from some ware.

The only way I could see this being possible is if it goes uphill empty and goes downhill fully loaded. Otherwise, I think you’re correct

The 45-ton eDumper drives up a 13-percent incline to pick up the 65 tons of lime and marl it needs to bring to a nearby cement factory. It’s so heavy when it drives back down that its regenerative braking system generates most or all of the energy used to go up the hill.

Jeff Gilberg wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>munchy wrote:</div>
The true electric truck and also includes perpetual motion….Never needs to stop and recharge.

“The 45-ton eDumper drives up a 13-percent incline to pick up the 65 tons of lime and marl it needs to bring to a nearby cement factory. It’s so heavy when it drives back down that its regenerative braking system generates most or all of the energy used to go up the hill”

http://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/26/edumper-electric-mining-truck-self-charging/

I’m pretty sure any high school physics teacher will have big problem with this article. all that weight takes more energy to haul up the hill also.
the energy needs to come from some ware.

biggill wrote:

The only way I could see this being possible is if it goes uphill empty and goes downhill fully loaded. Otherwise, I think you’re correct

And any high school English teacher will tell you that the 65 ton load is never hauled up-hill in this scenario. The writing never even suggests this. The energy spent to drive up the incline empty is recovered on the way back down with the load. The only reason the incline is even there is to regenerate the energy spent on the way up.

Perpetual motion machine? Cant happen.

The situation being described is far from perpetual motion.

It’s gravity.

Really no different from dropping a bowling ball attached to a spring. Gravity loads the spring.

When the ball hits the floor, you release the spring and attach it to another ball…..not exactly Earth shattering…..and most certainly not perpetual motion.

No different than a hydroelectric dam.