Definitely don’t use cement, that wouldn’t work…
For that size, I’d definitely do concrete. It’ll last you 20 years and it doesn’t require yearly maintenance. What I’ve seen recently, asphalt is getting more expensive where concrete is still holding pretty steady.
Anyone have any recommendations for a company to resealcoat an asphalt driveway. Becker/St Cloud MN area.
Erickson out of Princeton.
1-800-asphalt.
Unless you have a long driveway, concrete all the way. My reasons are not tracking it into the house on hot days, being able to lay down directly on it to work under a car, trailer, etc. Plus it just looks nicer.
Man all you guys are really giving me something to think about!! 
So many good reasons expressed 
Glen set it and forget it! concrete is your answer!! There problem solved! You will thank us for never putting on anymore blacktop sealer🙂 good day I meant to say I used concrete not cement!!
Definitely don’t use cement, that wouldn’t work…
For that size, I’d definitely do concrete. It’ll last you 20 years and it doesn’t require yearly maintenance. What I’ve seen recently, asphalt is getting more expensive where concrete is still holding pretty steady.
LOL –
Kinda like installing a hot water heater.
sealing asphalt driveways every year ?? No way.
Are any of you really doing a 5 inch poured driveway!? What are you parking on it? A 3 inch is all you need at 4000 psi. Runways at msp are 12 inch at 10,000. 2×4 forms with 2×2 rebar is all you need.
Are any of you really doing a 5 inch poured driveway!? What are you parking on it? A 3 inch is all you need at 4000 psi. Runways at msp are 12 inch at 10,000. 2×4 forms with 2×2 rebar is all you need.
Around here all residential garage floors and driveways are poured 5″ and sidewalks are poured 4″
All commercial auto, truck, and HD truck/tractor shops are poured 6″.
Not saying it’s right just know that is the norm for our area.
I’ve always done 5 or 6 on a drive. Our neighborhood has 35′ driveways. Code calls for 4” exc first 10′ ,6”. I’ve watched 5 be repoured. They pour 25′ from the house, next day pour last 10′- 6”. Takes 3 days. If you pour it all 6” it’s a 2-day job. 3 people another day vs a couple more yards on concrete, I don’t get it. Always concrete over blacktop for me. It comes with a guarantee. It will get hard, it will crack, and nobody will steal it. Although my last drive never cracked. 6″ with highway panels with chairs. Till a nitwit in a garbage truck put a tire on the very corner. Then spun the wheel to turn around.
Are any of you really doing a 5 inch poured driveway!? What are you parking on it? A 3 inch is all you need at 4000 psi. Runways at msp are 12 inch at 10,000. 2×4 forms with 2×2 rebar is all you need.
Runways are up to 18 depending on the lanes. I know this since I poured them for 5 years and now cut and remove them. Hard to forget what those forms are like. I would never ever suggest a 3inch driveway, that’s honestly one suggestion I can’t wrap my head around. 5 inch minimum. 4 inch fir walkways and patios. 5 and 6 for structural or drive lanes
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Are any of you really doing a 5 inch poured driveway!? What are you parking on it? A 3 inch is all you need at 4000 psi. Runways at msp are 12 inch at 10,000. 2×4 forms with 2×2 rebar is all you need.
I’m not sure where you live but in a freezing climate no one pours a 3″ driveway regardless of the psi.
Are any of you really doing a 5 inch poured driveway!? What are you parking on it? A 3 inch is all you need at 4000 psi. Runways at msp are 12 inch at 10,000. 2×4 forms with 2×2 rebar is all you need.
That would be considered a 4″ thick slab.
Most concrete drives have too few joints cut, you’ll see nice even cracks going right down the middle of panels all the time. For your 21’x39′ they’ll probably want to cut 1 long. joint and 2 lat. joints. I’d ask them to go 2 long. and 4 lat. joints – keep them square not rectangular. Going thicker or adding reinforcement can help get away less joints too.
Are any of you really doing a 5 inch poured driveway!? What are you parking on it? A 3 inch is all you need at 4000 psi. Runways at msp are 12 inch at 10,000. 2×4 forms with 2×2 rebar is all you need.
Sure, you could pour a 3″ driveway and it would be plenty for most cars.
However, your subgrade better be right on the teats otherwise you’re going to have frost heaving and cracking like crazy. There’s a reason most driveways are 4″-6″ thick.
Believe it or not, there are engineers who are really good an calculating necessary requirements to balance the ability to handle weight, and withstand the test of time. If you poured a 3″ slab, I bet it would last half as long as a 4″ slab.
Also, any runways I’ve seen are usually right around a compressive strength of 5,000psi.
Bearcat, what kind of mix designs are you using for runway concrete? Desired compressive strength?
sealing asphalt driveways every year ?? No way.
If you’re sealing an asphalt driveway every year, the real question now is WHY.
I had a new overlay added to my asphalt driveway a few years ago and the installer said it should not be re-sealed more than every 3-5 years.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Brittman wrote:</div>
sealing asphalt driveways every year ?? No way.If you’re sealing an asphalt driveway every year, the real question now is WHY.
I had a new overlay added to my asphalt driveway a few years ago and the installer said it should not be re-sealed more than every 3-5 years.
Many residential “sealing” jobs are no more than a layer of black paint with little value to holding the blacktop together. Our old neighbor would go to Menards every year about this time, buy a few hundred dollars worth of “sealant” and coat his driveway. By Fall it looked the same as it did before he wasted his money.
My in-laws hired a commercial blacktopping outfit to seal their 1300′ driveway. It cost them a pretty penny, but they were told it shouldn’t need to be touched for 5 years at the earliest and probably more like 7 or 8 years.
It cost them a pretty penny, but they were told it shouldn’t need to be touched for 5 years at the earliest and probably more like 7 or 8 years.
Yes, I agree. Hire someone to do it professionally and it shouldn’t need to be done again for years. Certainly you don’t need to be re-sealing it every single freaking year.
Bearcat, what kind of mix designs are you using for runway concrete? Desired compressive strength?
If I remember correctly it was 6k to 10k depending on what runway, they also ranger from 18 inches deep to 3ft at the msp, military base there was 3ft minimum. Our Mats or cages built were over 12 inches tall. Forms had to be set with a boom truck. I worked for shafer for 6 years pouring concrete and the air port was a dreadful job. Everything was to the extreme.
Now I cut run ways out, cut electric strips, core samples and the whole 9. That is the worst concrete to cut and hammer.
they also ranger from 18 inches deep to 3ft at the msp, military base there was 3ft minimum.
Finally someone with a true IDO style recommendation for the OP. No one ever complains about too much mud right? 
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bearcat89 wrote:</div>
they also ranger from 18 inches deep to 3ft at the msp, military base there was 3ft minimum.Finally someone with a true IDO style recommendation for the OP. No one ever complains about too much mud right?
I recommended concrete in my first reply. The last one was answering someone’s questions. Should I have ignored the question and simply said 5 inch slab, or do asphalt. You must have read right past my recommendation and just went straight to making fun.
^^^Sorry man, was 100% an IDO *don’t underpower your boat* joke… apparently not a good one 
I got the joke tswoboda. And I understand where BC is coming from with his reply. Some of the IDO members have been a little critical the last 6 weeks or so. Something to do with cabin fever, winter blahs, moon phase, etc.
Most think 3.5 is enough get 2 times the strength at 5
Concrete, concrete, concrete. Moved into the house in 1990. Had an asphalt driveway that was busting up. Replaced it in 1995 with concrete on the advice of our realtor (higher resale value). Looks great and haven’t done anything to it other than clean it since. My house faces southwest so it I snowplow or shovel before any compaction, it will melt. Glad we went concrete.
I’ve done asphalt for 21 years and got my start doing driveways, now highways. I’ve got an old concrete driveway and when it’s time to replace it will be concrete again. Asphalt is designed to be driven on, concrete to be parked on.
Replaced it in 1995 with concrete on the advice of our realtor (higher resale value).
Sounds like realtor answer. 
Erickson out of Princeton.
1-800-asphalt.
Just got a quote from Ericksons.
3200 sq of asphalt (22 years old, last sealed in 2015)
Cost to clean, fill cracks, reseal is $1145.
A bit steep from what I was thinking, but it is what it is. Seems they’re a pretty reliable company based on the reviews.
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