Downsizing – Ned vs. Micro crankbaits

  • FryDog62
    Posts: 3696
    #2279548

    I can see from the other threads here that a lot of people like the Ned rig – I agree it’s great and absolutely works, but man does anyone else find that it’s sometimes a PIA to fish?? If I know of some isolated areas that hold fish it’s fine, but if it’s an entire shoreline or weed edge it takes FOREVER.

    Anyone tried throwing micro cranks as an alternative? Same concept as a Ned in that sometimes the fish just want something small or a lure they haven’t seen before.

    I started experimenting with some micro crankbaits last year in Minn and South Dakota. Theyre fun! Most are about 1.5 inches long (closer to the size of most minnows) and they get bit. I now have a few that dive to 3 feet, 7 and even 10. Can be cast on light spinning gear or BFS.

    Anyone else tried this with success??

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    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17242
    #2279553

    How do you keep a treble hooked lure from getting hung up in the weeds? If you’re having difficulty with a ned, certainly a crankbait with trebles isn’t gonna be any better.

    Maybe I’m confused here as to where you intend to toss these.

    FryDog62
    Posts: 3696
    #2279554

    How do you keep a treble hooked lure from getting hung up in the weeds? If you’re having difficulty with a ned, certainly a crankbait with trebles isn’t gonna be any better.

    Maybe I’m confused here as to where you intend to toss these.

    Casting to the weed edge – not into it. Same I do with a ned for the most part ~

    grubson
    Harris, Somewhere in VNP
    Posts: 1608
    #2279555

    How do you keep a treble hooked lure from getting hung up in the weeds? If you’re having difficulty with a ned, certainly a crankbait with trebles isn’t gonna be any better.

    Maybe I’m confused here as to where you intend to toss these.

    He’s saying it’s a PIA because you have to fish slow with it. The crank is a finesse presentation that covers water faster.

    I think I’d be donating most of those micro cranks to pike on the lakes I fish.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17242
    #2279558

    Oh gotcha, I see

    FryDog62
    Posts: 3696
    #2279559

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
    How do you keep a treble hooked lure from getting hung up in the weeds? If you’re having difficulty with a ned, certainly a crankbait with trebles isn’t gonna be any better.

    Maybe I’m confused here as to where you intend to toss these.

    He’s saying it’s a PIA because you have to fish slow with it. The crank is a finesse presentation that covers water faster.

    I think I’d be donating most of those micro cranks to pike on the lakes I fish.

    Pike are an issue for sure, but I haven’t lost any more than a regular sized crankbait… maybe slightly less. Funny, fishing a freshwater canal down here that drains out to the Gulf, but 4 miles inland, I did catch a 20 lb tarpon on a MacBeth 39!

    mrpike1973
    Posts: 1501
    #2279635

    I agree the Ned is slow and really not much fun in even sparse weeds. I really mess with lots of different plastics. My findings are the regular turd worm gets bit the least as craws for me seem to be better almost like a Texas rig as they usually hit it on the fall. Been messing with cranks some myself. Biggest issue is always trying to get the right running depth over weeds. Either too deep or snagging the weeds that are floating etc. I cast parallel to edge mostly just get weeds casting to the edge or fouled up. My favorite actually is a Countdown lure in a smaller size 7 usually. Once I get my count down I can cast out with more consistency.

    FryDog62
    Posts: 3696
    #2279745

    Went to a lake this morning known for high numbers but smaller fish. Decided to go all BFS as inspiration for my buddy JW (who is a frequent lurker here and one foot down the BFS rabbit hole with me) and use only micro cranks. Caught about 40 fish between 12-15 inches but it was a blast…

    Here is today’s line up – all 1.5-2 inches long. Winners were the jerk bait and the Damiki Disco crank.

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    Jimmy Jones
    Posts: 2789
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    I was rooting around in a closet yesterday and found a package of 20 of these guys. With humidity hanging right around 90% yesterday I figured the shop would be cooler so I washed a couple of the blanks with alcohol, the proceeded to play with the airbrush.

    These are about the third to the smallest crankbait type of blanks I work with and while they can be challenging they are fun to mess with. Recently I’ve been trying my hand at detail painting more than just color schemes so I sort of mixed some detail and bright together to create these.

    The bodies are 1.25″ and with the bills they are just a shade over 1.8″. On light mono [4lb or less] they’ll get down about 5 feet. With 4 pound Clam Frost braid they’ll go a wee bit deeper. Retrieve speed can be a factor…. too fast and they’ll want to roll. While I do cast these, my best luck comes from putting a 1/8 drop shot weight four feet ahead of the bait and very slowly troll or drift them thru pods of suspended crappies.

    Like Frydog…. I find that bass and the toothy devils like them as much as the crappies do if fished close to cover. I won’t go into what a dogfish will do to one of these.

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    FryDog62
    Posts: 3696
    #2280476

    Wow, beautiful patterns.. Are there favorite hooks you use that stay sharp?

    FryDog62
    Posts: 3696
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    I was rooting around in a closet yesterday and found a package of 20 of these guys. With humidity hanging right around 90% yesterday I figured the shop would be cooler so I washed a couple of the blanks with alcohol, the proceeded to play with the airbrush.

    These are about the third to the smallest crankbait type of blanks I work with and while they can be challenging they are fun to mess with. Recently I’ve been trying my hand at detail painting more than just color schemes so I sort of mixed some detail and bright together to create these.

    The bodies are 1.25″ and with the bills they are just a shade over 1.8″. On light mono [4lb or less] they’ll get down about 5 feet. With 4 pound Clam Frost braid they’ll go a wee bit deeper. Retrieve speed can be a factor…. too fast and they’ll want to roll. While I do cast these, my best luck comes from putting a 1/8 drop shot weight four feet ahead of the bait and very slowly troll or drift them thru pods of suspended crappies.

    Like Frydog…. I find that bass and the toothy devils like them as much as the crappies do if fished close to cover. I won’t go into what a dogfish will do to one of these.

    Are those crankbaits the size of the earrings you made for my wife a few years back??

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    Jimmy Jones
    Posts: 2789
    #2280647

    These are about 2X the size of the earrings. Hook-wise, the ones shown in this reply ar #14 Mustads and yes, they come sharp and usually stay sharp unless they get run thru rock or a bunch of bass or other tough mouthed fish get caught.

    This bait’s hook size is right on a fence: for decent action lighter wired hooks are called for. Heavier, more durable hooks mess with the action. Hook size wise, I’m using the smaller #14 for panfish, however a #12 could be used and would offer a bit more for durability.

    Spoon Minnow
    Posts: 353
    #2288551

    I hate not covering water in a timely manner! Got better things to do. When the bite slows, my presentation also consists of going smaller – 1.5″-4″ soft plastics. Crankbaits are the usual size: 2 3/4″ with medium length bills that dive 3′.

    Recently a buddy I fish with convinced me to troll a crankbait parallel to shore in 4-7′. On some days he does excellent catching not only bass, but decent size crappie. We did catch a few small bass and one 12″ crappie, but bite locations were scattered between water 2-6′. The lake has no pads but does have many overhanging branches and shaded rocky shorelines. Unshaded shallow water shorelines and wide flats that dropped from 3-6′ also held fish under a bright sun.

    Obviously the best way to hit fish under those trees was casting small soft plastics on 1/16 oz ball head jigs. Skirted jigs with trailer may have worked, but I wanted to work those areas faster without bumping bottom. Example shown. The same lure was used to cover more water in unshaded areas along with a nose-hooked 3″ white stick and 5″ Kut Tail worm on a 1/32 oz jig with $2 hook. The action applied using rod tip twitches cause a darting action which covers water fast though with pauses. This has caught panfish and bass all year.

    Would a spinnerbait have done well. In summer under a bright sun, the only blade lure I would cast would be a Beetle Spin and jighead with either no action tail or action tail. the smaller flash under those conditions seems to tick fish off more that a large strobe-like Colorado or willow leaf blade.

    Sorry for the long dissertation, but hopefully even a little might be useful. It helped us log 34 fish on a slow summer’s day in Aug.

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    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2291005

    I haven’t done the micro cranks, but micro or mini swimbaits (paddletail with ball jig) I have had some nice success with.

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