With retrievers,I like using the whoa command when the dog is nearing the out of range limit. I also use it to stop him on running birds or to get into a better shooting positon before he flushes. Under those situations, I want the dog to stop what he is doing and wait for the next command. I don’t need him sitting and looking back at me, which I use for casting.
Don it still seems to me that that can all be done with the sit whistle without teaching another command. Not trying to be contrary, just trying to understand.
Don it still seems to me that that can all be done with the sit whistle without teaching another command. Not trying to be contrary, just trying to understand.
It is all up to the individual and alot depends on the dog. Mine seems to lose some steam when I whistle him to sit. That is why I would rather whoa him, he still is intense and in the mode. I like to use the sit on the whistlee just when I am casting. Like I say, it is a personal choice.
It is all up to the individual and alot depends on the dog. Mine seems to lose some steam when I whistle him to sit. That is why I would rather whoa him, he still is intense and in the mode. I like to use the sit on the whistlee just when I am casting. Like I say, it is a personal choice.
Buy your pup electricity for Christmas.
Buy your pup electricity for Christmas.
I’ve finished(broke to w/s/k/r) over a dozen dogs; my own and for others. My system evolved into a version of Sherry’s. BTW, her 1st husband Harold Ray was probably the finest field trial trainer of his day.
I like taking any association of the “correction” away from me. Thus I start out doing the heal – whoa routine. What I do soon after achieving the dogs response of stopping on the whoa is that I have a steel dog runner cable suspended over head. On the cable is a single wheel pulley suspending a double wheeled pulley. Through this double pulley is a nylon 3/8 rope with a stout snap on each end. I put a normal WIDE leather with 2 SHORT cut off bolts though the collar around the dogs belly and another of the same around the dogs neck. The 3/8″ line is clipped to these 2 collars. I heel and whoa the dog up on to a double ramped training table(A Bodo Winterhelt / NAVHDA from when Bodo had a bad back and dogs to train) idea. When I step away I feed the continous 3/8″ through my hands. If the dog moves one iota I squeeze the 3/8 line and the dogs is momentarily, lifted off the table & thus corrected with out me making a hand movement that the dog associates with me. You are also conditioning for a E-collar. You are also teaching the dog to “stand tall” and thus being more stylishish on point. I intruduce birds here.
I never teach a poining dog “heal/whoa/sit”. I never allow a pointing dog to “sit”. As a former NAVHDA guy I know they do do that. I ran trials and did not duck hunt so blind behavior was never an issue. I wanted them to make the hair on the back of my neck stand up when they were FOUND on point.
I also did my force breakin to retieve on the table. The table is right out in front of my kennels and the other dogs furnished noise and distraction for the one was being worked on.
I’ve finished(broke to w/s/k/r) over a dozen dogs; my own and for others. My system evolved into a version of Sherry’s. BTW, her 1st husband Harold Ray was probably the finest field trial trainer of his day.
I like taking any association of the “correction” away from me. Thus I start out doing the heal – whoa routine. What I do soon after achieving the dogs response of stopping on the whoa is that I have a steel dog runner cable suspended over head. On the cable is a single wheel pulley suspending a double wheeled pulley. Through this double pulley is a nylon 3/8 rope with a stout snap on each end. I put a normal WIDE leather with 2 SHORT cut off bolts though the collar around the dogs belly and another of the same around the dogs neck. The 3/8″ line is clipped to these 2 collars. I heel and whoa the dog up on to a double ramped training table(A Bodo Winterhelt / NAVHDA from when Bodo had a bad back and dogs to train) idea. When I step away I feed the continous 3/8″ through my hands. If the dog moves one iota I squeeze the 3/8 line and the dogs is momentarily, lifted off the table & thus corrected with out me making a hand movement that the dog associates with me. You are also conditioning for a E-collar. You are also teaching the dog to “stand tall” and thus being more stylishish on point. I intruduce birds here.
I never teach a poining dog “heal/whoa/sit”. I never allow a pointing dog to “sit”. As a former NAVHDA guy I know they do do that. I ran trials and did not duck hunt so blind behavior was never an issue. I wanted them to make the hair on the back of my neck stand up when they were FOUND on point.
I also did my force breakin to retieve on the table. The table is right out in front of my kennels and the other dogs furnished noise and distraction for the one was being worked on.
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