does this make you mad?

hl&sinker wrote:

Funny Mille lacs is mentioned since many want the stocking of musky stopped in that lake because of predation. Same goes with the Brainerd lakes area where many lakes musky are not native.
The DNR forcing these fish onto lakes just to satisfy a few.
The DNR ignores studies by wisconson and Michigan showing predation by musky occurs and does negatively effect the eco system.
Currious on how the crappie and walleye fishing is on this lake where these fish were speared. From the looks of how fat and healthy these fish are and the fact some many were speared in a short time it one could come to the conclusion the taking of these fish actualy gives good service to the lake.

right…. it has nothing to do with the netting of hundreds of thousands of pounds of prime breeding stock.

What happened to Red lake when it was over harvested for crappies?

Any lake where you find trophy fish has a healthy population of predator fish.

Boss Hawg wrote:

Steve F, I think of you and Bud every time I see this crap. It just makes my blood boil. I wish they would find out how good Asian Carp and Wolf taste when cooked together as Surf & Turf.

Read this book and your blood will boil over…

http://www.amazon.com/Legalized-Racism-Federal-Indian-Americans/dp/1883378605

Alex browne wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>hl&sinker wrote:</div>
Funny Mille lacs is mentioned since many want the stocking of musky stopped in that lake because of predation. Same goes with the Brainerd lakes area where many lakes musky are not native.
The DNR forcing these fish onto lakes just to satisfy a few.
The DNR ignores studies by wisconson and Michigan showing predation by musky occurs and does negatively effect the eco system.
Currious on how the crappie and walleye fishing is on this lake where these fish were speared. From the looks of how fat and healthy these fish are and the fact some many were speared in a short time it one could come to the conclusion the taking of these fish actualy gives good service to the lake.

right…. it has nothing to do with the netting of hundreds of thousands of pounds of prime breeding stock.

What happened to Red lake when it was over harvested for crappies?

Any lake where you find trophy fish has a healthy population of predator fish.

Nettings? Nice try.
Look, musky are a great resourse for us all. They are an awesome toothy critter. Being awesome does not exlude them from propper management of these fish. Take them blinders off to see the full picture. Show me a lake that bennifits the introduction of musky without a detriment of another species.

joc wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>triplea wrote:</div>
As sacred as the musky is, if someone was able to spear that many of similar size in 1 outing I would think it might help the lake overall, not to mention its legal. I would rather C&R them any day.. wow that would be a good day.

Yes but how many where involved in the spearing. This could have been a day long venture conducted by many people that knew where to go.

Limited Details. Either way its legal. I don’t like it anymore than the guys keeping #4-5 Bass for dinner….

While I don’t understand the glorification of Muskies. I respect peoples interest in fishing for them, let’s be honest though everybody has a favorite species to fish for. Mine happens to be the Northern, I also enjoy spearing them. But that doesn’t mean I spear every single Northern I see.

It all comes down to being responsible and being able to sleep at night knowing your not being wasteful.

And people want to talk about the crappies being pretty much wiped out? What do you think will happen to Cascade reservoir in ID now that people know about the perch?
I give it 3-4 years before that gets wiped out. It all comes down to Personal responsibility.

Yes this makes me mad because probably all of those fish speared are now laying in a ditch somewhere!!!!!!

Interesting point of conversation. In recent times any lake with musky spear fishing was forbidden. Why now lakes like Mille lacs is now open to spear fishing while others are still forbidden ? Are we being told whats true or what they want us to hear?
I’m sorry but the spear fishing lobby, no disrepect guys I support you, is hard to believe has a bigger sway than something like the likes of the lake associations. Just an example of the power and size of a lobby group not meant to say this lobby group is envolved or not.

hl&sinker wrote:

Interesting point of conversation. In recent times any lake with musky spear fishing was forbidden. Why now lakes like Mille lacs is now open to spear fishing? Are we being told whats true or what they want us to hear?
I’m sorry but the spear fishing lobby, no disrepect guys I support you, is hard to believe has a bigger sway than something like the likes of the lake associations. Just an example of the power and size of a lobby group not meant to say this lobby group is envolved or not.

Spearing being allowed on Lacs is a desperate attempt to bring back some revenue to the lake. Just like how they are trying to push this crap of historically the lake being fished mainly for small mouth. The DNR is grasping for straws There.

I practice catch and release 90% of the time I’m on the ice or water. These fish are more than just a food source, they are the livelihood of those businesses surrounding the lakes.

How many of you keep a bucket full of 10in sunfish,16in crappies, or 28in + walleye? And why not, because those fish are needed in the lake and it takes many years for them to get to that size.

Oh jimminy, I’m sorry for over stating a position.
I believe its a coping mechanism when life gives a wrinkle. I absolutely respect views of everyone.
Alex, keep it up your thoughts are important and thankyou for those thoughts.

In Chautauqua lake in southwest NY and the Kawartha Lakes in southern Ontario Musky’s have coexisted with Walleyes forever. They don’t effect the strong Walleye and Bass fisheries in these lakes, and Musky’s are present in good numbers. They prey heavily on yellow perch which exist in seemingly endless numbers. Find the big perch schools and you’ll find the Musky’s. They add that excitement of hooking into into a (15 to 30+) pound fish that would otherwise would be lacking. Often caught by the startled bass or walleye fisherman. The lakes wouldn’t be the same without the king of the fresh water fish. If your lakes Walleye are taking a downturn their maybe another cause?

Red Lakes crappies were what they were “because” of no walleye in the lake for years… the walleye are back and the crappies are back to their place in the food chain in that particular lake. They weren’t “fished out”

big_g wrote:

Red Lakes crappies were what they were “because” of no walleye in the lake for years… the walleye are back and the crappies are back to their place in the food chain in that particular lake. They weren’t “fished out”

Exactly correct!

big_g wrote:

Red Lakes crappies were what they were “because” of no walleye in the lake for years… the walleye are back and the crappies are back to their place in the food chain in that particular lake. They weren’t “fished out”

Exactly. I have read several articles that had said it was a perfect storm for two year classes of crappies. If the perfect storm did not happen then we never would have had the crappies like we enjoyed. Did you ever catch a crappie less than 10-11″ on Red during the hay days? I never did and neither did any of my fishing partners. So using the Red lake Crappies as an analogy is incorrect at best.

hl&sinker wrote:

Interesting point of conversation. In recent times any lake with musky spear fishing was forbidden. Why now lakes like Mille lacs is now open to spear fishing while others are still forbidden ?

Just to add some clarity to this comment – NO – all lakes with muskies have not historically been closed to spearing. Only certain lakes in the state had a ban. Many musky waters have allowed spearing forever. Leech, and Winnie are two big ones that pop to mind instantly.

big_g wrote:

Red Lakes crappies were what they were “because” of no walleye in the lake for years… the walleye are back and the crappies are back to their place in the food chain in that particular lake. They weren’t “fished out”

Right on with this comment! In addition to the lack of predation, there were a couple of perfectly times springs with perfect(rare) conditions there of high water and low wind – allowing the always present(albeit low) crappie population to pull off back-to-back highly successful spawns. Given time, there is nothing the DNR could have done to prevent the Red crappie population from diminishing and returning to historic (low) levels and simultaneously coming back as primarily a walleye lake. It was a walleye lake forever, due to it’s makeup, and will be primarily a walleye lake long after any of us are dead and gone.

A – Aron wrote:

And people want to talk about the crappies being pretty much wiped out? What do you think will happen to Cascade reservoir in ID now that people know about the perch?
I give it 3-4 years before that gets wiped out. It all comes down to Personal responsibility.

I just don’t see this happening. It’s not a place where anglers from the Midwest will flock to. From Minneapolis, it’s an almost 24 hour drive, 1500 miles – One way. That does not include fuel/food stops, etc. Also consider the kind of remote mountain passes one must cross to get there. It’s a cool lake in a cool setting, but I’d venture to say it’s a stretch that the masses will show up. Especially having to drive past NE SD or Devils Lake to get there.

Andy

Andy, I know about the drive its AWESOME I lived in Cascade. I always considered it the Gem west of the Rockies… My point more being It comes down to personal responsibilty.

And I lived in Boise, go Broncos!

If I had to live in any big city it would be Boise!

Back in the eighties I got big into Muskie fishing. I joined Muskies Inc. and met a lot of great guys and learned a lot. In 89 we bought a trailer on Deer lake in WI. I was in heaven! Hour drive from home and great Muskie fishing. I started fishing Tournaments in WI and helped with stripping in the spring and basicly wanted to get into anything involved with the sport.
In the early 90’s spearing was a very heated topic. Word got out that Deer Lake was to be speared just before the ski’s were to spawn. There was a lot of tension in Polk co. to say the least. Well they speared the hell out of it. Did they feed families? Nope, right into the dumpster at the access. Dead muskies were floating up on shore for the next couple weeks. I just don’t get it.
Many people dedicate a lot of time and money over years to create great fisheries and BAM, one night causes a huge setback.
And Deer Lake also had great Crappie fishing. They seemed to coexist just fine.

big_g wrote:

Red Lakes crappies were what they were “because” of no walleye in the lake for years… the walleye are back and the crappies are back to their place in the food chain in that particular lake. They weren’t “fished out”

Thank you for correcting me. One of those brain fart moments, where I cut myself short of the whole thought in my head… the statement I meant to say was more on the lines of how walleye were fished out due to over harvesting, and crappies were able to grow to that size. Showing how much predatory fish are needed, and that netting is a big impact of the health of those bodies of water if not kept in check.

I stand corrected on the red lake topic, “what makes me mad” was I rembember people weekend after weekend with limits of crappies. Just because you can keep that many doesn’t mean you have too. “what makes me mad” is people on pool 4 who think just because the walleye is over 15″ they have to keep it.

I am humored by some that get upset about this. Now you know how I feel when I see River Redhorse, bowfin, ect thrown up on a bank or shot with a bow. If these were eaten then not such a big deal.

Belletaine, you said it best when you said they all ended up in the dumpster…I don’t get it either..what a waste of a resource. I caught a 53 inch musky last august on the Lac du Flambeau chain and released it only to think that that fish will eventually be speared to and thrown in the ditch or the dumpster..PATHETIC!!