does this make you mad?

Saw this on Facebook today.

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Any caption on the photo? Like where they were fishing? And yes this makes me very upset.

wtf! just sad…

They want to see your anger and by reposting it you’re just fueling they’re fire.

This was is WI by a reservation kid. after checking the regs it looks like it is legal. Still makes me very upset.

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Those are legally speared muskies from northern Wisconsin.

Now the question is, does the sense of entertainment carry over to hunting?

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Maybe you should read up on the treaty’s. Hunting and fishing is they’re Right. Ethical or not the federal government has ruled that way.

Shining was not protected under that trest until last year.

in northern Indiana we have a number of lakes that have been stuck with musky. I personally do not understand why people get so upset over the harvesting of them.

It makes little difference really. They’re not tried in our courts when they break game laws.

Frenchman wrote:

in northern Indiana we have a number of lakes that have been stuck with musky. I personally do not understand why people get so upset over the harvesting of them.

Really? You don’t understand why it’s a bad idea to take a fish that’s stocked at a very low density out of a lake? Muskies take a very long time to reach maximum growth potential and killing them before they reach that potential is doing a disservice to the people that work so hard for them.

I’m from NYS and spearing is illegal in my state. I’m appalled at the killing of all those beautiful toothy critters. Those are not small fish. That pike likely took years to get to that size. Reducing a lake of large predators can lead to a lake filled with smaller undersized fish in years to come. Those sure as heck aren’t fingerlings.

timschmitz wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Frenchman wrote:</div>
in northern Indiana we have a number of lakes that have been stuck with musky. I personally do not understand why people get so upset over the harvesting of them.

Really? You don’t understand why it’s a bad idea to take a fish that’s stocked at a very low density out of a lake? Muskies take a very long time to reach maximum growth potential and killing them before they reach that potential is doing a disservice to the people that work so hard for them.

It’s also probably a disservice to the lake’s ecosystem. Big pike and musky are normally a very good thing for the balance of the other species.

It is called, in no uncertain terms, “legalized racism”. Like it or not…

The DNR also stocks Walleye and Trout but those are harvested. I am sure that the 1 36″ musky allowed per day is a disservice to all. I never target Musky but like I stated never understood the reverence towards them. It’s actually interesting that the same person who wants to fight for Musky could want to destroy the wolf or large cat population. Both eat what humans consider table fare.

Frenchman, you and Tim both have very valid points and equally deserve your opinions. The discerning factor for large predators is the density. While a “good” walleye population can be in the 3.7 to 5 mature fish per acre, musky and large pike (fully mature) can often be well less than 1 per acre. Depending on a lakes habitat, it can be MUCH less than that. However, just like wolves, when you have too many in a concentrated area, it helps the system to take a few out. If you pay close attention (using WI class A musky lakes as an example) you will see various regulations on individual lakes. The WDNR compiles creel census, Fyke netting, shocking, spearing info, and so on to help keep this in balance. It also takes many years for a musky to mature into a king size predator. Compared to wolves which mature in just over a year and have not had their populations maintained. The proof is in the 1st year hunting/trapping results which all units closed early because all the tags were filled sooner than expected. In conjunction with trapping/hunting locations, they found the carrying capacity was being exceeded and the packs were more dispersed and larger than earlier projections shown. So in reality, not an apples to apples comparison.

Frenchman wrote:

The DNR also stocks Walleye and Trout but those are harvested. I am sure that the 1 36″ musky allowed per day is a disservice to all. I never target Musky but like I stated never understood the reverence towards them. It’s actually interesting that the same person who wants to fight for Musky could want to destroy the wolf or large cat population. Both eat what humans consider table fare.

Wolves have a considerable negative impact on the populations of “what humans consider table fare”. Muskies, on the other hand, do not. Certainly not an apples to apples comparison.

Muskies are difficult to catch for 1 reason… there aren’t very many of them. Killing muskies means even less muskies, therefor people who fish for them don’t want them killed… make sense?

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in northern Indiana we have a number of lakes that have been stuck with musky. I personally do not understand why people get so upset over the harvesting of them.

Stuck with musky.
Now that is funny Frenchman.

Bit of fuel added on my part I guess.

Thank you for the information Randy and Twsoboda. I apologize for the poor comparison. Should have stopped at 2 sentences lol.

They are only Muskies. Most lakes around me don’t have and never had them. If it’s legal then just let it be!

I have never targeted musky here in Indiana. I should as a musky is on my bucket list. What I have learned about musky is the groups of folks that target them are very passionate about it and spend hours upon hours chasing them. When they are caught, they are treated with great care and I have a ton of respect for those people. As for the pic of the speared musky, just because it’s legal doesn’t make it right.

These fish are essential to the whole ecosystem of the lakes they are found in. On top of that they are a huge long term financial benefit for surrounding area where people fish for them. If you even question what losing game fish like this would do to the finances surrounding the recreational industry, just look at Mil Lacs!

It also has a direct impact on the avg person with operations cost of the DNR which leads to higher fishing license cost.

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Steve F, I think of you and Bud every time I see this crap. It just makes my blood boil. I wish they would find out how good Asian Carp and Wolf taste when cooked together as Surf & Turf.

Boss Hawg wrote:

I wish they would find out how good Asian Carp and Wolf taste when cooked together as Surf & Turf.

Rotflmfao! Best thing I’ve read in awhile.

Funny Mille lacs is mentioned since many want the stocking of musky stopped in that lake because of predation. Same goes with the Brainerd lakes area where many lakes musky are not native.
The DNR forcing these fish onto lakes just to satisfy a few.
The DNR ignores studies by wisconson and Michigan showing predation by musky occurs and does negatively effect the eco system.
Currious on how the crappie and walleye fishing is on this lake where these fish were speared. From the looks of how fat and healthy these fish are and the fact some many were speared in a short time it one could come to the conclusion the taking of these fish actualy gives good service to the lake.

Amen. hl&sinker

hl&sinker wrote:

Funny Mille lacs is mentioned since many want the stocking of musky stopped in that lake because of predation. Same goes with the Brainerd lakes area where many lakes musky are not native.
The DNR forcing these fish onto lakes just to satisfy a few.
The DNR ignores studies by wisconson and Michigan showing predation by musky occurs and does negatively effect the eco system.
Currious on how the crappie and walleye fishing is on this lake where these fish were speared. From the looks of how fat and healthy these fish are and the fact some many were speared in a short time it one could come to the conclusion the taking of these fish actualy gives good service to the lake.

IMPOSSIBLE!

As sacred as the musky is, if someone was able to spear that many of similar size in 1 outing I would think it might help the lake overall, not to mention its legal. I would rather C&R them any day.. wow that would be a good day.

TripleA wrote:

As sacred as the musky is, if someone was able to spear that many of similar size in 1 outing I would think it might help the lake overall, not to mention its legal. I would rather C&R them any day.. wow that would be a good day.

Yes but how many where involved in the spearing. This could have been a day long venture conducted by many people that knew where to go.