Do I dare bring it up?

Dutchboy wrote:

No team from the west division has ever won the big 10 championship.

False. Bucky won the first two.

What’s really sad is that young men in the prime peak physical condition of their lives, who have an almost zero percent chance of the new strain of the cold doing anything to them, have to have their lives negatively affected in drastic fashion because a bunch of old farts are freaked out about a media overhyped pandemic that never was.

The players literally have a several times higher chance of dying from getting the flu than covid. The virus is that pathetically weak.

Players were allowed to play through colds and flu bugs before without going into quarantine. One of ‘Ol Mikey Jordan’s most famous games ever was when he played while sick as hell from the flu. No one on either team cared one bit that he was playing sick.

It’s sad and quite frankly really disgusting to see the pussification of this country at the hands of the baby boomers hysteria. To the point college football players are forced to miss games and quarantine when they have a virus that doesn’t make 95% of them even show any type of symptoms. What a totally unjustified reason to ruin these kids college careers just because the baby boomers irrationally fear a new type of the cold virus. Sad Really……

Mertz looks like he is could live up to the hype and be the best QB WI has ever had…and then he test positive for Covid, will miss 3 games, and end the Badger season…I sure hope it is a false positive!

joneser wrote:

False. Bucky won the first two.

Maybe I didn’t make myself totally clear. What I meant was no team from the west division has won the big 10 championship since its current geographical alignment of west and east. Wisconsin won it when it was still under the old alignment of Leaders and Legends.

Most of the recent success has been a result of an over powering Ohio State squad beating whoever they play. I can recall Sparty also beating Iowa one year in a low scoring game.

joneser wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
No team from the west division has ever won the big 10 championship.

False. Bucky won the first two.

Careful with your quoting, it wasn’t me who said that.

joneser wrote:

What’s really sad is that young men in the prime peak physical condition of their lives, who have an almost zero percent chance of the new strain of the cold doing anything to them, have to have their lives negatively affected in drastic fashion because a bunch of old farts are freaked out about a media overhyped pandemic that never was.

The players literally have a several times higher chance of dying from getting the flu than covid. The virus is that pathetically weak.

Players were allowed to play through colds and flu bugs before without going into quarantine. One of ‘Ol Mikey Jordan’s most famous games ever was when he played while sick as hell from the flu. No one on either team cared one bit that he was playing sick.

It’s sad and quite frankly really disgusting to see the pussification of this country at the hands of the baby boomers hysteria. To the point college football players are forced to miss games and quarantine when they have a virus that doesn’t make 95% of them even show any type of symptoms. What a totally unjustified reason to ruin these kids college careers just because the baby boomers irrationally fear a new type of the cold virus. Sad Really……

Since there is no issue with Covid or danger, how about suiting up and playing.

The point isn’t is Covid real, the point is who will be responsible if it is real and one of these young people die after catching it on a playing field or court?

Pretty easy to blow it off when sitting at a keyboard. But, I regress. This thread isn’t about you or Covid.

The Big 10 is going to have an uphill battle to play an entire season. The playoff system and rankings are going to hurt any team not named Ohio State who has to miss games.

b-curtis wrote:

Mertz looks like he is could live up to the hype and be the best QB WI has ever had…and then he test positive for Covid, will miss 3 games, and end the Badger season…I sure hope it is a false positive!

They are awaiting confirmation on that positive and expect the results today.

I believe it was out of Penn State where it was found that approx. 1/3 of the FB players that test positive for Covid 19 also tested positive for myocarditis. Myocarditis is a serious cardiac condition that can be fatal. Having played in college I fully understand that a player sees themselves as bullet proof. How else do you run into another person at full speed?

The_Bladepuller wrote:

I believe it was out of Penn State where it was found that approx. 1/3 of the FB players that test positive for Covid 19 also tested positive for myocarditis. Myocarditis is a serious cardiac condition that can be fatal. Having played in college I fully understand that a player sees themselves as bullet proof. How else do you run into another person at full speed?

Stop spreading false info. They claimed myocarditis. Myocarditis is diagnosed ONLY VIA BIOPSY! They used MRI images that showed signs of stress and inflammation. They also didn’t provide a comparison to every other virus and bacteria does in nature. How many of you have had MRI’s following a bad cold or flu?? The MRI could very well look the same we just don’t waste money when you are not sick. Context and comparison is essential!

yeah taht study was debunked pretty much right away. even the author of it came out and said it was not being used in proper context.

I really think having no kickers through Minny for a loop and caused some odd decisions which led to a throttling.

My wolverines I have believed have been a QB away from coming back to some level of prominance so its nice to see some level of aggressiveness and competence there as i believe he did great against a ranked decent defense.

I think Wisky’s QB covid/injury woes open the door for Minnesota a ton.

Joe are you a cardiologist or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? I spent last night with a medical professional, as I have most of my adult life. She says you are wrong.
You should do a search on myocarditis. The Mayo Clinic website is a good place to start and they list many ways a diagnosis is achieved, of which biopsy is one of many.
I certainly understand college kids wanting to play. The 4 years I played were years I still cherish and shaped me for life & gave me life long friends. I get that for many kids the dream will end with no final season. I.E. If your are not playing in a Power 5 conference or NFL talent (IE Trey Lance & Dillon Radunz @ NDSU) there may not be even a spring season due to budget and safety concerns.
This virus thing is real. If you don’t worry because you are young then see how tour parents or grandparents feel about getting exposed.
BTW Our neighbor (Family Care GP) and my “resident health care advisor” were exchanging thoughts & the neighbor brought up long term neurological complications MAY exist. Studies are underway. Check your copy of NEJM. You do subscribe don’t you?

i try to talk to my grandparents and parents about this but they are too busy at costco buying bulk granola and patio furniture.

If the PSU study had been doubted, so be it. I have not seen that result.
I do know that close contact, and it is still a contact sport, & the exchange of respiratory droplets, to me would seem unavoidable. Respiratory droplets are how infection occurs. With the $$$ in big time FB they can daily test & are doing so. Thus they have a B1G 10 season, but it is driven by $$.

I am sure you know some smart people bladepuller. I am sure you believe in them. If you don’t have a baseline MRI done to show what your body looked like before the virus, conclusions cannot be destinctly drawn from one after. If your people would like to show me a comparison trial with those results vs the same onE done to influenza positive Patients or any other common pathogen, I am all ears.

The virus is real. Have had many conversations with my 93 grandmother. She is isolated in her home and she has relatives bring her groceries. She knows that her distance from the virus is the only thing that protects her. I have also had conversations that highlight the fact that she could die any night because she is 93 and takes a dozen meds. If she doesn’t want To isolate and wants to see her grand and great grandkids, it is up to her and not her health care provider or government.

I would say everywhere I go I see at least 90% compliance with masks. The numbers are way higher than prior to the mandate. ask your resident health care expert how much different the health of America would be with 90% compliance with anything. Then ask her how the hell she thinks another 10% compliance would do any better.

The virus is here and it is real. It currently causes death in 0.04 – 0.1% of people who get it that don’t live in a LTC facility. Depending if you believe ALL the experts who say there is between 5-10 times the positives. So give LTC and those who think they are vulnerable an N95 and if you can and WANT TO, isolate. There is no reinfected except for a few insanely rare exceptions in the entire country. The rest are more likely to die from this argument.

The_Bladepuller wrote:

I do know that close contact, and it is still a contact sport, & the exchange of respiratory droplets, to me would seem unavoidable.

As far as they know, it has not “crossed the line of scrimmage” yet in football – at least in NFL and NCAA. I recall several members of the Titans testing positive the day after they played the Vikings, which resulted in a large outbreak among Tennessee for days, but no players from the Vikings ever tested positive. To me it seems like it’s certainly possible to spread during the game, but it hasn’t…yet.

I am not a researcher or Dr but I would certainly think if a whole bunch of young healthy athletes that tested positive for covid and now have myocarditis, or myocarditis symptoms I would think there is a correlation? Anyway, I read it as there were too many unknowns around myocarditis and athletes in other sports having heart issues, thus why the Big 10 (and Pac 12) postponed. I believe it was Dr. Ackerman that helped calmed the storm, and why the Big 10 has the out a minimum 21 days so they can do cardiac testing.

This article sums up the whole thing pretty well

Ackerman

Great, now WI’s 3rd string QB tested positive. Starting to think there is less of a chance that Mertz had a false positive. If WI beats Nebraska with their 4th stringer they really should head back to the Big 12.

Sorry Dutchboy, I obviously wasn’t paying attention and apologize for citing you for something gimruis said. It wasn’t intentional and I’ll be better at proof reading most posts when quoting someone in the future.

As far as this thread not being a covid thread, I respectfully disagree. These threads are conversations with the words in text form instead of being spoken. Just like any conversation chewing the fat with people they’re going to start on one subject (like sports) and meander onto another subject (like covid) and probably end on something else. With conversation it’s best to go with flow and see where it takes you, IMO.

A coronavirus causes the common cold. A coronavirus causes SARS-1. Now a novel (“new”) coronavirus causes SARS-2, AKA “covid-19.” What do these all have in common?

They are strains of the cold. Just like there are different strains of influenza with some more potent and harmful to humans that others, there are different strains of coronavirus with some more potent than others. This new one is more harmful to humans, but in the end it’s still just a cold. It’s only slightly more harmful to humans than a regular cold.

Here’s the thing—colds suck. I’d contend the worst and most debilitating illness I’ve ever faced in my life has been colds. Given the choice, I’d take the flu or food poisoning with a day or two of being violently ill then a three week long cold. A bad cold is awful. It will kick your ass. The exhaustion. How it severely limits respiratory functions. I”m sure everyone here has had a bad cold where you’re totally congested, can’t breathe through your nose at all, and every morning you’re hacking up thick green chunks of phlegm into the toilet. I’m not just talking phlegm….I’m talking the thick crud that when you cough makes a popping or cracking noise, the sound of it breaking free and being cleared out of your lungs. The type of stuff that comes up in big chunks that are so heavy when you spit them into the toilet they sink. Have you guys ever had a cold so bad that it’s really hard to sleep because you keep waking up being unable to breathe, and it scares the hell out of you for a moment until you’re able to grasp for air and catch you’re breath?

Everyone here knows what I’m talking about, right? We can all relate to having had colds that bad, right? I know I’ve had several like that in my life, lots of them. Once every year or maybe every other year. Some years I catch it and it’s not that bad, but those bad ones? Man, they suck. Think about those sleepless nights where you’re so congested it’s hard to breathe laying down and you’re hacking up that nasty crap…..

…..and imagine that instead of mentally not being worried about it because it’s just a cold, that mindset is replaced by mentally believing you have a lethal virus and dying is not just a possibility but a probability.

Every one of us would freak the eff out and get our azz to the hospital.

And that explains this “pandemic” in a nutshell. It’s the populous being tricked into believing a strain of the cold is extremely lethal when it’s not.

First off, the “death count” is pure and utter BS. Let’s say you wind up with pneumonia that puts you in the ICU. Like most things, hospitals are heavily subsidized by the federal government. You winding up in the ICU for pneumonia lands the hospital $7K from the feds. To help subsidize the hospitals expenses of caring for a patient in ICU. ICU care is very expensive, that’s why a lot of hospitals don’t even have an ICU. They get you in, treat you initially, and once you’re stabilized they transfer you to the nearest hospital with an ICU.

Here’s the thing, if instead of listing the respiratory illness of pneumonia the hospital sees reason to believe you also have covid, another lower respiratory illness, if they mark you down as pneumonia AND covid, or just covid instead of pneumonia, instead of getting $7K from the feds to subsidize your stay in the ICU the hospital now gets $35K. They literally get SEVEN TIMES the money, for providing the same exact treatment they were only $7K for prior to covid.

So what do you think this lead to?

The figures pertaining to covid are all garbage. They’re extremely inflated…in terms of having covid assigned to cases.

In terms of respiratory illness being a leading cause of death in this country none of what we’re seeing from the “pandemic” is anything new. Respiratory illness has been the a leading cause of death in this country forever. Straight from the CDC for 2017, one of the more full recent years due to how the CDC compiles their data:

Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

Respiratory illness was the 4th leading cause of death BEFORE covid. Look at the two graphs I attached. Notice anything?

All they’re doing is substituting covid for respiratory illness. It’s roughly the same, only slightly higher.

Due to covid being new it has caused an elevated mortality rate but it’s all concentrated to the extreme elderly. Virtually every covid death is pneumonia AND covid. They’re labeling something that has always been present, old people getting bad colds or the flu and having it turn into pneumonia and dying from it, and throwing a brand new label on it. We’re going to see increased mortality this year followed by a decreased lower than expected mortality over the next few.

This is caused by someone’s 88yo grandma “dying” from covid when she otherwise would’ve died when she was 90. That’s happening enough to where we will see a slightly elevated mortality rate for 2020. But keep in mind, in 9 out of 10 instances when someone’s 88yo old grandma dies—she was only going to live until 88yo. It was her time. The difference is had she died of pneumonia last year? No biggie. 88yo people die. It’s a decade longer than the average life expectancy. If she died this year from pneumonia AND covid? Now it’s a tragedy, because there’s no nice way to tell people, or certain way to know, she was going to die covid or no covid. Over 90% of the deaths of these old people they would’ve died if covid never happened.

People die. In the same time period that the fictitious covid death toll has reached 226K (2K is more accurate) 2.5 million other people have died in this country. 4.4 million people died in the US last year. It’ll probably be 4.5 million this year since the number increases every year just like our population does.

As far as nurses talking about myocarditis….figures that they’re women. The media has built this thing into the overhyped monster it is. It exists only in our minds. Nothing else has changed, not of any significance whatsoever.

The media has put all these false notion into people’s minds. Nurses are people. They’ve been brainwashed more than anyone because they eat up being first line defenders and having their job make them someone who is heroic. They’re invested more than anyone into making this thing seem bigger than it is. So they do things like talk about myocarditis. I guarantee you if you did an MRI of someone experiencing a bad cold they’d find the exact same occurrences of myocarditis, but they don’t know that because we never used to put people in ICU’s or give them MRI’s because they had A FREAKING COLD.

That’s all covid is, a cold. Thd people you see on the news in the ICU who aren’t old?

Those are your pussies the media tricked into believing they had a killer cold when in reality it was just a cold. Remember those bad colds where you woke up and were frightened for a second because you couldn’t catch your breath easily right away?

That’s what happened but instead of dealing with it because they know it’s nothing serious due to being just a cold, the media freaked them out and got in their head so this time around they called 9-1-1 and took an ambulance to the hospital. Afterwards they talk about how awful covid was because perception is reality and that’s the perception the media planted in their heads. Plus, people always make it sound like they were sicker than they were. No one misses work being sick and then tells their coworkers, “I wasn’t that sick. I could’ve made it in to work.”

This pandemic is all in our heads. It’s nothing to worry about. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

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b-curtis wrote:

Great, now WI’s 3rd string QB tested positive. Starting to think there is less of a chance that Mertz had a false positive. If WI beats Nebraska with their 4th stringer they really should head back to the Big 12.

Can you imagine playing a Big 10 schedule with a 4th string QB?

Wisconsin is about to go through x3 games with their 4th string quarterback. If they manage to win more than 1 game, Paul Chryst deserves to be added to Mount Rushmore. Any coaches who lose to the Badgers and their 4th string QB may need to instantly pack up their offices postgame before the interviews.

buckybadger wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>b-curtis wrote:</div>
Great, now WI’s 3rd string QB tested positive. Starting to think there is less of a chance that Mertz had a false positive. If WI beats Nebraska with their 4th stringer they really should head back to the Big 12.

Can you imagine playing a Big 10 schedule with a 4th string QB?

Wisconsin is about to go through x3 games with their 4th string quarterback. If they manage to win more than 1 game, Paul Chryst deserves to be added to Mount Rushmore. Any coaches who lose to the Badgers and their 4th string QB may need to instantly pack up their offices postgame before the interviews.

Sounds like Mertz’s PCR test also came back positive. Bummer. I was looking forward to WI blowing the doors off NE since the team and fans have been pretty delusional this year about still being a relevant program.

No, there is no reason to drag Covid into this discussion.

WI is starting a 4th string QB due to covid. The B1G canceled their season due to covid. They rescheduled it and started late due to the president stepping in and getting the lined up with tests for covid. PJ Fleck has stated that this season ultimately comes down to which program can successfully mitigate catching the virus and avoid a significant amount of their players testing positive and being forced to sit.

Like it or not covid is very much apart of the discussion. WI, the best team in the West, the team that’s played in the most B1G championship games is being forced to sit not just their best QB, but their 2nd, and 3rd best. The guy starting for them is a practice squad caliber player. Good enough to run a few drills and get actual players some added reps.

How do you expect them to not talk about covid? As if the outcome of that game is nothing more than the x’s and o’s taking place within the lines?

I guarantee if you asked Vegas what one factor is influencing the outcome of WI’s next game they’re going to tell you it’s covid, hands down. Why wouldn’t people discuss the biggest factor on the outcome of the game?

buckybadger wrote:

Can you imagine playing a Big 10 schedule with a 4th string QB?

I’d rather be wisconsin with a 4th string QB then many of the other teams in the big ten with there starting QB. Most of the time WI QB’s are clock managers and to not turn the ball over. They won’t be running up the score but they will do ok.

This could get really interesting. Do I dare ask who takes over under center if the 4th string QB gets hurt? Just snap it directly to a RB and run the plays wildcat?

Dutchboy wrote:

No, there is no reason to drag Covid into this discussion.

I agree, and particularly if the “dragger” posts such in the most meandering, multiloquous, garrulous, wittering, verbosity.

See how easy it is to fully explain something in one sentence rather than 26 paragraphs?

Anyway back on topic…

buckybadger wrote:

Can you imagine playing a Big 10 schedule with a 4th string QB?

Wisconsin is about to go through x3 games with their 4th string quarterback. If they manage to win more than 1 game, Paul Chryst deserves to be added to Mount Rushmore. Any coaches who lose to the Badgers and their 4th string QB may need to instantly pack up their offices postgame before the interviews.

You never know, perhaps all the other Big 10 teams will be down to their 3rd/4th string quarterbacks in the near future too?

Paul Chryst runs the same system every other coach at Wisconsin ran, Barry Alvarez makes sure of that, it’s the same system he played in for Bob Devaney at Nebraska sans a few tweaks. It works

I feel like the 4th stringer should at least get his name mentioned, Danny Vanden Boom. I guess if he is out maybe they turn to Groshek? He was a High School QB.

Chryst did say he feels confident the game will be played so they must have other positives? I was thinking that with MN and OSU with the number of people out…how close are these teams getting to that 5% positive rate that would lead to a cancelled game? Granted I am sure OSU will find a way to skirt all of the rules so they can make the playoffs.

So back to the gophers…with the punter out how do they not have a single person on the team that can punt more than 15 yards?

Walleyestudent Andy Cox wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
No, there is no reason to drag Covid into this discussion.

I agree, and particularly if the “dragger” posts such in the most meandering, multiloquous, garrulous, wittering, verbosity.

See how easy it is to fully explain something in one sentence rather than 26 paragraphs?

For some reason thats his thing. Every topic. 94 paragraphs all talking circles about the same thing over and over

Bearcat89 wrote:

For some reason thats his thing. Every topic. 94 paragraphs all talking circles about the same thing over and over

I’m glad someone else can see this. I was wondering if it was just me.

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bearcat89 wrote:</div>
For some reason thats his thing. Every topic. 94 paragraphs all talking circles about the same thing over and over

I’m glad someone else can see this. I was wondering if it was just me.

how can you miss it??