defunding the police force

Andy mentioned some of my other comments on the posts here so I want to respond.

I have very strong feelings about any idea to disband the police. The rhetoric coming from our city council is dangerous and irresponsible. I’m not a fan of our mayor but at least he’s standing up to this. The council continues to tout the idea of not having a police force but they haven’t said how they would do that. The city council and mayors office play a role in everything that has happened relating to George Floyd’s murder. They continue to blame a toxic police force. Well, guess what? You run the city so ultimately you are culpable for this.

Defunding the police is really code for just taking funds away during budget cycles. This happens all the time as budgets shift. The police and fire depts in MPLS have seen periods where they have lost funding as money is allocated to other areas. I would support reallocating money to jobs programs, mental health, etc. If that is what de-funding entails I would likely support some of that.

My biggest concern about everything that has happened is it feels like the chasm is getting wider between not only different races but also other socio-economic factors. Folks seem to be digging in even deeper on their beliefs and opinions and seem even less open to hear a dissenting viewpoint. I see it here in my city and I read it on this forum and it makes me sad.

This is what happens when you have an entire city council that was built to be anti police.

catnip wrote:

Minneapolis or any large city will never defund,disband or abolish it’s police department. But since what happened in Minneapolis the last couple weeks basically set the entire world on fire its a conversation that needs to be had to pacify the people and give them the illusion that they are listening. Whats the worst that could happen, the hells angels patrol the north side and the black Panthers patrol the south side?

The Jets patrol the south side while the Sharks patrol the north.

The only people that want to defund the police are young people who believe everything is sunshine and rainbows and no bad people are in this world. And criminals who will be free to pillage the city. A lot of young people haven’t seen how bad this world can be. That’s a great concept until it happens to them. They change that mindset pretty quickly.

The council president stated that by disbanding the police the white people can feel the fear that their black neighbors do. What kind of stupid statement is that? Wouldn’t you rather make everyone feel safe? She’s a strange one for sure if she believes the people can police themselves.. didn’t a week of anarchy not show what happens when laws aren’t upheld?

These idiots talking disbanding the police are doing a disservice. We need prison and police reform in this country and meaningful conversations in regards to that. Not making statements based on feelings and emotions when they’re running high.

Matt Moen wrote:

My biggest concern about everything that has happened is it feels like the chasm is getting wider between not only different races but also other socio-economic factors. Folks seem to be digging in even deeper on their beliefs and opinions and seem even less open to hear a dissenting viewpoint. I see it here in my city and I read it on this forum and it makes me sad.

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The armed group says how long are you going to wait before a cop shows up when you call 911 ? The cops show up after a crime has been committed , not before . So by defunding is that what they are advocating for ? Don,t think so, they want to reallocate funds to other social programs . The cops will still be there

Absolute insanity. Just another example of the extreme liberals destroying society. And the ironic part is most of these urban areas have liberal leaders that help create the mess in the first place.

Go ahead…. defund the police and see how you like life then.

The lunatics on both sides are the problem.
Time for a movement in the middle of the political spectrum.
The basic problem in the present Dem / GOP system is neither side really wants to solve an issue vs fostering continuous debate
I have held 2 election certificates, meaning I won, amd didn’t get beat my last term. I had had enough

All of the Mpls. City Council members are far-left extremists. I can’t believe these people are running the city. It’s an odd group of idiots for sure.

vern wrote:

All of the Mpls. City Council members are far-left extremists. I can’t believe these people are running the city. It’s an odd group of idiots for sure.

Someone had to vote them in?? What’s that say about the majority voted them in?

Wouldn’t be my venue to live under what they are suggesting. I kinda like be rural America the way it is.

This is what’s happens WITH Police in innocent St. Paul every night….

Shootings, car jackings, stabbings, assaults….

https://m.facebook.com/groups/419807545084465?multi_permalinks=1134712633593949&notif_t=group_highlights&notif_id=1591670093403192&ref=m_notif

Get out the popcorn if Minneapolis decides to cut or defund/disband the force…..It will be a far, far more of a complete $hit show.

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Fish To Escape wrote:

Again, talking specifically about the people in lafayette park

Is this the same protest that was twisted by the media as “tear gassed protesters”?
They failed to mention about throwing frozen water bottles, spitting, and the hidden weapons that were found. Did they forget to mention the injured Secret Service men. They do have a right to PEACEFULLY assemble to protest. See all the garbage left behind at these protest. That’s littering.

I grew up in South mpls and live their for 35 years before moving up north in 1998. Had a store front on Cedar and lake Street for years in late 80 and early 90″,and its burn down now. This all got started in 1992 i believe was the year the Vice lords Ambush Mpls Police Officer Jerry Haaf in Pizza Shack on Lake Street and 16 ave south a few block from my shop. and shot him in the back. this has been brewing up for years.. If they defund the MPLS police the city will be a abandon Detroit poop hole in a year or two. End of the story of mpls in my mine if defunding happens.

Beast wrote:

It’s not my state, so it’s not my circus,

So I’m not going to try to catch up on the days 3 to 4 pages of reading cause it is bedtime.

@Beast whom ever you are, you say “It’s not my state, so it’s not my circus,” so why don’t you disclose where you are from? Also why do you stir the pot for controversy when you say “it’s not my circus”??

Ok, I heading to the pillow.

Well for those who wish to defund the police force which really means neutering them and making them unable to protect anyone much less themselves start by giving up their own security and declaring themselves and their homes a no police zone. Just like gun free zones. I’m guessing Lisa Bender and the rest of the city council enjoy armed security in the council chambers while holding meetings. I’m sure their homes all have security systems that trigger calls to the police when a alarm is tripped. I believe Ms. Bender alluded to as much that she herself knew calling the police for help was a white privilege.

I doubt any of these people will be giving up any security while they stand ready to sacrifice your’s for their righteous virtue signalling. Will armed bailiffs or deputy’s be removed from court proceedings? Will the governor give up his tax payer funded security? Or is is just the tax paying citizen on the street that will have their security compromised?

The city council should add to their web page a place where anyone who is with them on this can sign on listing their name and address as a willing participant in a police free zone and vow not to call police onto their premises for any reason. They accept that their security is their own responsibility and theirs alone. This will certainly eliminate any chance for them to experience a negative police encounter. Hey maybe they could have masks with a phrase printed on them. Something like “I will not call the police”. Heck that might even qualify you for the Target promo code “Floyd” which gets you 100% off!

But this appears to be happening without the city council doing anything. I believe I read the other day 14 officers have already quit and 46 have taken early retirement. Good luck to all of you down there. Seriously.

I read a meme this morning that was at first funny, but sadly true, It said “you can’t fix stupid, But you can elect it to office” Getting the 4 news stations out of MN. here, I sometimes just shake my head and wonder, what the hell are they thinking.
I seen this AM a man and a 5 year old daughter were shot at a boat ramp, got me thinking will this be the new norm if they defund?

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I knew that firearms and ammo sales were through the roof during the early stages of the pandemic. I haven’t bought any recently, but I have to imagine that they are surging again right now. Anyone that passes a criminal background and mental health check is likely considering taking up their 2nd amendment rights when they consider a city without any police. Heck, I’m already stocked up on ammo and I’m thinking about buying more.

gimruis wrote:

I knew that firearms and ammo sales were through the roof during the early stages of the pandemic. I haven’t bought any recently, but I have to imagine that they are surging again right now. Anyone that passes a criminal background and mental health check is likely considering taking up their 2nd amendment rights when they consider a city without any police. Heck, I’m already stocked up on ammo and I’m thinking about buying more.

Like the nut jobs who were selling 22 ammo for 10 times what it was normally priced ? Never let a bad sitution go to waste ! Scheels is selling AR,s like crazy! Gun sales are booming . Gun manufactures are having a hey day!

It’s funny how fox news and the rest of the social media garbage feeds have warped SOME of your guys thinking. On the defense without anyone really being on the offense!

If anyone thinks there will not be armed security to protect you are smoking more crack than, well my neighborhood crackheads. Even they have half a brain and know there wont be any lapse of enforcement of laws. Get real and get your heads out your butts.

I was talking to a buddy who’s son is a police officer. I said I hope they don’t defund the police dept. that he works for. My buddy said ” I Hope they do ” he said his sons dept. has already had officers resign and other looking to retire early. He said its hard going to bed each night worrying about his son. I know that most parents worry about their children – But not in the same way as parents of a police officer does.

Deuces wrote:

It’s funny how fox news and the rest of the social media garbage feeds have warped SOME of your guys thinking. On the defense without anyone really being on the offense!

If anyone thinks there will not be armed security to protect you are smoking more crack than, well my neighborhood crackheads. Even they have half a brain and know there wont be any lapse of enforcement of laws. Get real and get your heads out your butts.

Ya Ya Ya Mr. Beads – We all know you are so much smarter and knowledgeable than everyone else here. Yes, Defunding can mean many different things, Less budget, Hiring private contracted security, Using a citizen police force, Ect. All of which will provide a new set of problems. I guess you have far more faith in a politician doing what’s best for their citizens than I do.

Deuces wrote:

It’s funny how fox news and the rest of the social media garbage feeds have warped SOME of your guys thinking. On the defense without anyone really being on the offense!

If anyone thinks there will not be armed security to protect you are smoking more crack than, well my neighborhood crackheads. Even they have half a brain and know there wont be any lapse of enforcement of laws. Get real and get your heads out your butts.

Oh you mean like when the US government contracted with Blackwater. That worked out well. Or how about George Zimmerman. Maybe Sharia law in Cedar Riverside.

Who ever is behind this defund/get rid of the police talk should pull their heads out and look at who runs these private security firms. I don’t think they will like what they find. In addition who do they think would end up being hired by these firms. Hmm let me take a stab at it…the very same cops they wanted gone in the first place? YAY, what do I win Johnny?!

BTW Does anyone really know the steps that people need to take to become licensed peace officers now? There just may be a few state laws that need to be followed. Me and Ol’ Joe down the block don’t get to mount up and head out patrolling the streets carrying firearms because some two bit politician wants to win their next election.

Deuces wrote:

It’s funny how fox news and the rest of the social media garbage feeds have warped SOME of your guys thinking. On the defense without anyone really being on the offense!

If anyone thinks there will not be armed security to protect you are smoking more crack than, well my neighborhood crackheads. Even they have half a brain and know there wont be any lapse of enforcement of laws. Get real and get your heads out your butts.

This comes from a guy who lives in a city where large portions of it we’re allowed to to be looted, burned and left in a pile of rubble and ashes over the period of four days when you had a entire armed police force. And now the people who run the city want to defund the police department.

But no worries all those Fox news viewers who seem to torment you so will all soon be lying in the hospital needing intubation and will then die because they did not wear a mask right? But myself not being a Fox news viewer will still be here.

I’m sorry to report I can’t comment on what the crackheads with half of brain know or do not know on the subject because I have not yet found it necessary to consult with them. I’m glad you have and were able to pass on that information.

Beads smarter than anyone? Not even close. I have 4 years of college eligibility left…..always.

Honestly the train of thought MPD defunding = no law enforcement whastsoever is absolutely asinine. And the only way that ridiculous thought can make its way into anyone’s brain and actually stay there is propaganda.

Change is scary, unknowns are even scarier, those anxietys are breeding some real ugliness in people’s already bias opinions.

From today’s Star Tribune article titled What you need to know about plans to defund Minneapolis police by Rochelle Olson:

“On Sunday, nine Minneapolis City Council members told a crowd they were prepared to “begin the process of dismantling the Minneapolis Police Department.”

They are not talking about “Less budget, Hiring private contracted security, Using a citizen police force, Ect. [sic]”

It’s a bunch about nothing. When they de-fund they will just move some money around. The police budget won’t really change. Maybe a few educational classes for the cops (maybe not). Right now you have a bunch of people trying to get votes to keep a job. They will be forgotten before the first Viking touchdown.

Don’t panic over the unknown.

A few years ago London, England established ‘no-go zones’ that are ruled by Sharia Law.

I can see similar zones setup around sanctuary cities. Of course the name would be word-smithed to obfuscate reality.

jwellsy wrote:

A few years ago London, England established ‘no-go zones’ that are ruled by Sharia Law.

I can see similar zones setup around sanctuary cities. Of course the name would be word-smithed to obfuscate reality.

Our forefathers are rolling in their grave.