Big bucks…….your input is encouraged

  • mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #284150

    Guys im from Iowa and im seeing this totally from an outsiders point of view not living there. I’ve never heard of buffalo conuties deer until recently from this site. We’ve got big deer down here too and everyones after them for wallhangers because thier impressive to look at and thier very smart and hard to get. Guys who hunt just for the table go to where they’ve heard the highest counts are or to where they know there are decent numbers in herds to fill thier tags. We’ve got alot of hunters down here too and the guys that shoot bigger bucks usually do thier homework or just get lucky. Im for quality deer management only if there gets to be an unbalanced herd of over population of does too keep disease, crop damage or whatever down. I hunt a few diffrent areas and i see the deer come and go and i do my homework remembering where and when i see the bigger bucks, not scores of them but a few braggers and i know a guys lucky if he shoots a big one. My thoughts are this, decesions is these counties to balance herd populations are a must. To balance herds so a few more hunters see a few bigger bucks isn’t a bad idea per county but your going to have to get everybody to realize that its taking of does only to bring up the population of bucks and to keep it constant, just like walleyes. Too me it all comes down to the hunter, Is the county he’s hunting have enough bigger bucks or should a doe be taken to try to raise the population of bucks in the next few years. Mans hand comes into play here in making a decesion on what to shoot just like the dnr would do if more and bigger bucks were desired. If theres a desire to get a wallhanger than take a doe in these counties to let the bucks get bigger if theres not enough of them. I”d have to pass on the smaller bucks in hopes for a bigger one this year or maybe it would have to be next year. I know the real braggers are the smart ones that everyones been after but can’t find them, let alone the ones that are rearely seen at all. To me its up to the hunters, to make the decision to pass in hopes that he’ll see him next year or two and take a doe or tell the dnr to try to raise the quota on does to let the bucks get bigger. A decesion has to be made to let the smaller bucks get bigger and older if theres more hunting pressure in one area more than another. Im just like everybody else and look for those out of the way places where no one has hunted for a long time but thier hard to find because of other fellow hunters. I select harvest bucks only if thier big enough for me. I know other guys who do this knowing that the smaller ones will be impressive and alot smarter in the next few years. Every area has thier older and very smart bucks, those are the ones im after because i know im going to be lucky to get him and don’t worry to much about anyone else getting him eigther because thier smart and have learned what keeps them away from danger. I’ve got just as good of a chance to get him as the other guy if im doing things right and have done my homework. To drive hunt for deer and expect to shoot quite a few bigger bucks is in a reserve where real control of the herd is monitored yearly. Im after the bigger older bucks that aren’t protected from anything but disease and over population by the dnr. I like to keep things left up to me and left alone as much as possible by the dnr, they’ve got alot to do too. I make the selection on the size or kind of deer i’ll take to keep a few real trophies around too. This is what other hunters and myself think down here and it seems to be working. I live in a metro area of 175,000 people, 225,000 within 25 miles of me.

    piratepete54
    Menomonie or Alma, WI
    Posts: 31
    #1846

    Alright bass, i made a bad generalization, but you dont have to be such a bass about it. It’s widely assumed by most people that i know that waumandee and cream and other places are known to have a lot of deer. I should not have been so loose with my assumptions. Every little area has tracts of land where there are more than enouch deer, and tracts where there are not as many. quit tryin to ask for trouble, i’m on your side.

    piratepete54
    Menomonie or Alma, WI
    Posts: 31
    #284153

    Alright bass, i made a bad generalization, but you dont have to be such a bass about it. It’s widely assumed by most people that i know that waumandee and cream and other places are known to have a lot of deer. I should not have been so loose with my assumptions. Every little area has tracts of land where there are more than enouch deer, and tracts where there are not as many. quit tryin to ask for trouble, i’m on your side.

    lenny_jamison
    Bay City , WI
    Posts: 4001
    #1852

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    In our small party, the size of deer has never REALLY been an issue. We hunt in a small immediate family party with a few friends of the family that have always hunted with us. We sit opening weekend with some people moving around limitedly. We always have a campfire and bring lots of food, and everyone always comes to the fire about noon and has stories from the morning and its a relaxing weekend. Starting wednesday we drive…and drive, and drive and drive. Sometimes we move deer and sometimes we don’t, but we always are together. We never persecute someone for the size of the deer they shoot. First year and young hunters can shoot whatever they choose. Sometimes someone will accidentally take a small buck that came flying through on a drive…IT HAPPENS. We never get mad at them or swear at them. What we might do is give them some crap when we see them next like, “Hey, here comes the mighty buck hunter” but that’s all in good fun. If we have someone that gets mad about someone shooting a small one, they are not invited back to hunt with us. We encourage each other to shoot nice deer, and it’s exciting if someone does, but if it’s one thing I don’t need, it’s someone that is going to get upset about the petty little things and ruin MY FALL HOLIDAY.

    QDM was developed to let the 1 1/2 year old deer get a chance to develop. You could shoot all the 2 1/2 year old deer you want no matter what size, and the population would never be affected. What other people shoot is their business, what i don’t want is someone else telling me what deer i can and can’t shoot and i think that goes without saying for everyone.


    This is exactly what gun hunting is about for me. Well said Pirate.

    Gator Hunter

    lenny_jamison
    Bay City , WI
    Posts: 4001
    #284168

    Quote:


    In our small party, the size of deer has never REALLY been an issue. We hunt in a small immediate family party with a few friends of the family that have always hunted with us. We sit opening weekend with some people moving around limitedly. We always have a campfire and bring lots of food, and everyone always comes to the fire about noon and has stories from the morning and its a relaxing weekend. Starting wednesday we drive…and drive, and drive and drive. Sometimes we move deer and sometimes we don’t, but we always are together. We never persecute someone for the size of the deer they shoot. First year and young hunters can shoot whatever they choose. Sometimes someone will accidentally take a small buck that came flying through on a drive…IT HAPPENS. We never get mad at them or swear at them. What we might do is give them some crap when we see them next like, “Hey, here comes the mighty buck hunter” but that’s all in good fun. If we have someone that gets mad about someone shooting a small one, they are not invited back to hunt with us. We encourage each other to shoot nice deer, and it’s exciting if someone does, but if it’s one thing I don’t need, it’s someone that is going to get upset about the petty little things and ruin MY FALL HOLIDAY.

    QDM was developed to let the 1 1/2 year old deer get a chance to develop. You could shoot all the 2 1/2 year old deer you want no matter what size, and the population would never be affected. What other people shoot is their business, what i don’t want is someone else telling me what deer i can and can’t shoot and i think that goes without saying for everyone.


    This is exactly what gun hunting is about for me. Well said Pirate.

    Gator Hunter

    bass423
    Oregon, WI
    Posts: 152
    #1839

    Pete,
    I am not trying to be a b “ass” about anything but you hit a few chords with your posts that are off the mark IMHO and I stated my opinion thats all. I am not itching for an argument but will say that I am still hurting from losing a long-time lease to some guys with lots more $$ than I or my party has to hunt deer. I almost gave up deer hunting this year because of it and still might unless I can find some new ground either in or out of Buffalo County. When you can’t even find a place to hunt in the area you grew up in there is something wrong with the world. How would you feel if I came to the landowner that lets you hunt and offered him a large amount of money to hunt to the exclusion of you and your group. The farmer is having a bad year and needs the money to pay the bank and taxes. The large amount of money that I give him will cure him for this year and now you and your party are on your own. For you it may be as simple as going up the road and asking another neighbor to hunt but what if my brother has already paid that farmer a sum of cash and now you have to get in the truck and drive further up the road … Do you see the big picture that I am painting here. You may be young enough and have enough family and friends in the area that this will not happen FOR A WHILE YET but mark my word, this can and likely will happen to you as time marches on. I am on the tail end of this story in age and experience and am very frustrated by the situation. If you have any insight to this dilemma please come to my rescue if not I suggest that you make sure that you buy some of that high priced land from a relative or friend before you are on the outside looking in like I am.

    bass423
    Oregon, WI
    Posts: 152
    #284115

    Pete,
    I am not trying to be a b “ass” about anything but you hit a few chords with your posts that are off the mark IMHO and I stated my opinion thats all. I am not itching for an argument but will say that I am still hurting from losing a long-time lease to some guys with lots more $$ than I or my party has to hunt deer. I almost gave up deer hunting this year because of it and still might unless I can find some new ground either in or out of Buffalo County. When you can’t even find a place to hunt in the area you grew up in there is something wrong with the world. How would you feel if I came to the landowner that lets you hunt and offered him a large amount of money to hunt to the exclusion of you and your group. The farmer is having a bad year and needs the money to pay the bank and taxes. The large amount of money that I give him will cure him for this year and now you and your party are on your own. For you it may be as simple as going up the road and asking another neighbor to hunt but what if my brother has already paid that farmer a sum of cash and now you have to get in the truck and drive further up the road … Do you see the big picture that I am painting here. You may be young enough and have enough family and friends in the area that this will not happen FOR A WHILE YET but mark my word, this can and likely will happen to you as time marches on. I am on the tail end of this story in age and experience and am very frustrated by the situation. If you have any insight to this dilemma please come to my rescue if not I suggest that you make sure that you buy some of that high priced land from a relative or friend before you are on the outside looking in like I am.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #1858

    I understand, very little leased land here. I don’t know of any at all, for pheasants yes and not much of that eigther, but not for deer. I understand the feeling of being bought out from under. Come to Iowa if you can swing it, lots of them here with only moderate pressure from hunting. In some places not much pressure at all.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #284176

    I understand, very little leased land here. I don’t know of any at all, for pheasants yes and not much of that eigther, but not for deer. I understand the feeling of being bought out from under. Come to Iowa if you can swing it, lots of them here with only moderate pressure from hunting. In some places not much pressure at all.

    piratepete54
    Menomonie or Alma, WI
    Posts: 31
    #1868

    bass, that is an interesting story…and one i will make sure to think about. we own 280 acres here in alma, and pay taxes on it and all that hubub. my dad plants crops for wildlife which is a lot of work for not a lot of kickback, but we have reaped the fruits of our labor lately. its kind of unspoken, but as long as someone esle in our family desires the land, i assume they will get first crack at it. it has been in our family for a long time, and while the value has appreciated a lot since it was purchased, i can’t forsee losing it. you’re right though, some of the other land that we hunt on; the land of family and friends may not always be there in the future if things keep up.

    piratepete54
    Menomonie or Alma, WI
    Posts: 31
    #284216

    bass, that is an interesting story…and one i will make sure to think about. we own 280 acres here in alma, and pay taxes on it and all that hubub. my dad plants crops for wildlife which is a lot of work for not a lot of kickback, but we have reaped the fruits of our labor lately. its kind of unspoken, but as long as someone esle in our family desires the land, i assume they will get first crack at it. it has been in our family for a long time, and while the value has appreciated a lot since it was purchased, i can’t forsee losing it. you’re right though, some of the other land that we hunt on; the land of family and friends may not always be there in the future if things keep up.

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