Looks like the wi conservation Congress is finally considering a phone in registration for deer. News reported bar owners feel it will hurt their businesses. I wouldn’t know, I never stopped at a bar after shooting a deer. What’s your thoughts on it?
It hasn’t hurt any business in Minnesota, if people want to brag about their deer, they’re still going to take it to the bar.
It will impact businesses in WI, there’s no doubt about that fact. Just how much, well…that’ll remain to be seen. It isn’t just bars…many types of businesses act as registration stations.
Marshal….no offense…but the bar culture in WI and the bar culture in MN are in no way comparable.
I don’t really trust the phone registration in MN. It is great for honest guys and saves me a lot of time running around to register, but very easy to manipulate the system over the phone.
It’s just as easy to manipulate at a registration station. No one checks the deer that you bring to see that you’re registering what you say you are. Heck, most people don’t even bring the deer!
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It’s just as easy to manipulate at a registration station. No one checks the deer that you bring to see that you’re registering what you say you are. Heck, most people don’t even bring the deer!
Probably why the MN (and now WI) DNR decided to say the heck with in person registration. Registration station attendants were largely untrained and didn’t give two rips about registering correctly. There’s a difference with registration data in WI and MN though. WI actually gets some data about the age of bucks registered which drives the SAK formula. MN doesn’t keep any kind of data on maturity of bucks.
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Probably why the MN (and now WI) DNR decided to say the heck with in person registration. Registration station attendants were largely untrained and didn’t give two rips about registering correctly. There’s a difference with registration data in WI and MN though. WI actually gets some data about the age of bucks registered which drives the SAK formula. MN doesn’t keep any kind of data on maturity of bucks.
How do they do that? Do they trust the hunters to know that they shot a 2 year old buck and not a 4 year old?
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It’s just as easy to manipulate at a registration station. No one checks the deer that you bring to see that you’re registering what you say you are. Heck, most people don’t even bring the deer!
Probably why the MN (and now WI) DNR decided to say the heck with in person registration. Registration station attendants were largely untrained and didn’t give two rips about registering correctly. There’s a difference with registration data in WI and MN though. WI actually gets some data about the age of bucks registered which drives the SAK formula. MN doesn’t keep any kind of data on maturity of bucks.
The only question on age of a deer is if its a fawn or adult. No mention of age.
I’m all for it. Missouri does it as well as Minnesota. We do it with turkeys. The amount of money paid to registration stations, added to the DNR staff that tabulate all the registration info can be spent in other, more useful ways.
The guys that sit in the bar after hunting go there wether they have a deer to register or not. I don’t stay after registering my deer. I need to get home, hang, cape and skin my deer. Then I need to empty the truck and re-stock the lunch cooler. Then I wash my clothes. Then I can shower and have a bite to eat before I collapse for the evening. Morning comes and its hopefully a repeat of the prior day.
Its time for the Wisconsin DNR to enter the 21st century and do away with hand written, paper registrations
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The only question on age of a deer is if its a fawn or adult. No mention of age.
I’m all for it. Missouri does it as well as Minnesota. We do it with turkeys. The amount of money paid to registration stations, added to the DNR staff that tabulate all the registration info can be spent in other, more useful ways.
The guys that sit in the bar after hunting go there wether they have a deer to register or not. I don’t stay after registering my deer. I need to get home, hang, cape and skin my deer. Then I need to empty the truck and re-stock the lunch cooler. Then I wash my clothes. Then I can shower and have a bite to eat before I collapse for the evening. Morning comes and its hopefully a repeat of the prior day.
Its time for the Wisconsin DNR to enter the 21st century and do away with hand written, paper registrations
WI DNR gathers data from registrations to be used in the SAK formula http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/WildlifeHabitat/documents/DTR/SAKformula.pdf
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The only question on age of a deer is if its a fawn or adult. No mention of age.
I’m all for it. Missouri does it as well as Minnesota. We do it with turkeys. The amount of money paid to registration stations, added to the DNR staff that tabulate all the registration info can be spent in other, more useful ways.
The guys that sit in the bar after hunting go there wether they have a deer to register or not. I don’t stay after registering my deer. I need to get home, hang, cape and skin my deer. Then I need to empty the truck and re-stock the lunch cooler. Then I wash my clothes. Then I can shower and have a bite to eat before I collapse for the evening. Morning comes and its hopefully a repeat of the prior day.
Its time for the Wisconsin DNR to enter the 21st century and do away with hand written, paper registrations
WI DNR gathers data from registrations to be used in the SAK formula http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/WildlifeHabitat/documents/DTR/SAKformula.pdf
So what are the options when registering a deer in Wisconsin?
The SAK formula uses the exact same data that Minnesota’s registrations provide. Adult doe harvest, Adult buck harvest, and fawn harvest. There’s nothing in there that mentions age of harvest except for the DNR’s own estimates of the yearling population. Minnesota gets the exact same data, and could estimate the yearling population in exactly the same way the Wisconsin DNR does.
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Minnesota gets the exact same data, and could estimate the yearling population in exactly the same way the Wisconsin DNR does.
Could…but don’t
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Minnesota gets the exact same data, and could estimate the yearling population in exactly the same way the Wisconsin DNR does.
Could…but don’t
The numbers are out there, it’s just a matter of putting it into that formula. Since I know you are so educated on the matter, have you asked Mr. Grund why he doesn’t use this formula?
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The only question on age of a deer is if its a fawn or adult. No mention of age.
I’m all for it. Missouri does it as well as Minnesota. We do it with turkeys. The amount of money paid to registration stations, added to the DNR staff that tabulate all the registration info can be spent in other, more useful ways.
The guys that sit in the bar after hunting go there wether they have a deer to register or not. I don’t stay after registering my deer. I need to get home, hang, cape and skin my deer. Then I need to empty the truck and re-stock the lunch cooler. Then I wash my clothes. Then I can shower and have a bite to eat before I collapse for the evening. Morning comes and its hopefully a repeat of the prior day.
Its time for the Wisconsin DNR to enter the 21st century and do away with hand written, paper registrations
WI DNR gathers data from registrations to be used in the SAK formula http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/WildlifeHabitat/documents/DTR/SAKformula.pdf
Not sure what your point is here. I’m not talking about SAK. All I said was that the form we fill out at the time of registration asks sex”(doe or buck) and age (fawn or adult) and I have witnessed the registration of hundreds of deer in my 30+ years of deer hunting in Wisconsin.
Nowhere on that form does it ask the age of the adult deer. I’ve only been to one registration station where they were asking to examine the jaw bone on the deer that were registered, and that was voluntary, so their results were skewed. No one with a trophy deer would let some biologist slice open their bucks cheek to get to the lower molars, so most of the deer being examined were yearling bucks and adult does.
If the DNR wants this info they will set up voluntary check stations, just like the other States that use phone in registrations.
I also know that in small towns where everyone knows everyone, there are bars that won’t even go out to put the tag on the deer. They just ask “hey Joe, what did you shoot?” Joe says “a little 4 point” and they hand Joe the metal tag to put on his deer. I’ve witnessed and been part of that more than once.
The bottom line is that as budgets get squeezed, certain expenses need to be cut. This one is an easy choice.
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The bottom line is that as budgets get squeezed, certain expenses need to be cut. This one is an easy choice.
I can agree with that
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The numbers are out there, it’s just a matter of putting it into that formula. Since I know you are so educated on the matter, have you asked Mr. Grund why he doesn’t use this formula?
The MN DNR doesn’t collect or have interest in collecting data on buck age structure
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Not sure what your point is here. I’m not talking about SAK.
SAK is driven by the registration process. If the DNR continues to run their own checkpoints and continues to check a statistically representative number of jawbones …then I stand corrected. Not sure what the plan is in those regards…so maybe I’m way off base.
I’ll have to ask my buddy this weekend. He owns a bar and checks lots of deer north of Spooner. Usually the people I see checking deer there buy a drink or two and sometimes dinner so I don’t see how this wouldn’t affect business.
Bringing people in is the only motivating factor I can think of for wanting to be a check station up there.
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Bringing people in is the only motivating factor I can think of for wanting to be a check station up there.
Exactly correct
My take, will some manipulate (or try to) the system, yes, but to think they aren’t already as it is is very naive. I for one will gladly use it. No longer do I have to change into different clothes so that I don’t have to worry about getting the dive bar stank out of my clothes (the place that is our local registration station is far from being a very hygienic place) and, quite frankly, the locals that I want knowing what was shot on our property the least will be the most likely ones to be there. Funny how every time we kill a nice buck early in the gun season wouldn’t you know there was a lot of additional traffic (meaning any other than us and the one neighbor) on the dead end township road that goes back to our land afterwards.
So yeah, I have no issue with this change, as far as an affect on SAK, do you really think they care what that spits out, they will do/claim whatever they want regardless.
I gonna guess the the registration numbers will be down and some units will increase the number of deer shot so the antlerless permits will be lowered in that unit, that said it will be handy for the hunter can’t wait to get stopped with a deer that was called in and the warden has to verify it
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that said it will be handy for the hunter can’t wait to get stopped with a deer that was called in and the warden has to verify it
Don’t you think that’s part of this move? Reduce warden hours for that type of possible violation? Walker is about a smaller state government, I’d think some of the current changes to the deer season and deer management in WI have a lot to do with shrinking the DNR.
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it will be handy for the hunter can’t wait to get stopped with a deer that was called in and the warden has to verify it
When you call in a turkey kill, they give you a verification number that is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to write down and keep with the bird. Same thing on deer in Missouri. I personally register my turkeys from the field and write the verification number on the carcass tag with a Sharpie marker. That way I’m completely legal, including resistration before I even get to the truck.
The bottom line is that the people who will cheat and scam the system are already doing things wrong. The majority of hunters are ethical and follow the rules, regardless of how they change. Many of us followed “earn a buck”, even though we didn’t agree with it. Trespassers don’t follow no trespassing signs, where the ethical hunter knows where the boundary is and won’t cross it for any reason.
Honest and ethical hunters are honest and ethical no matter what, and cheaters are always cheaters, no matter what. JMHO.
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The bottom line is that the people who will cheat and scam the system are already doing things wrong. The majority of hunters are ethical and follow the rules, regardless of how they change. Many of us followed “earn a buck”, even though we didn’t agree with it. Trespassers don’t follow no trespassing signs, where the ethical hunter knows where the boundary is and won’t cross it for any reason.
Honest and ethical hunters are honest and ethical no matter what, and cheaters are always cheaters, no matter what. JMHO.
Very well said! 
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The bottom line is that the people who will cheat and scam the system are already doing things wrong. The majority of hunters are ethical and follow the rules, regardless of how they change. Many of us followed “earn a buck”, even though we didn’t agree with it. Trespassers don’t follow no trespassing signs, where the ethical hunter knows where the boundary is and won’t cross it for any reason.
Honest and ethical hunters are honest and ethical no matter what, and cheaters are always cheaters, no matter what. JMHO.
Very well said!
I can agree with this. It was just as easy before to skip the registration part. Most people take their deer home before making the trip to register. That is normal. Cheaters that butcher their own deer never make the next trip to register.
In the CWD zones specifically and random units statewide there are personnel collecting tissue samples at registration stations for CWD testing, I can see this as the only valid reason for continuing in person registration. That said, it still makes fiscal sense to switch to call in or online registration.
Amen Fred!
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