CWD Update

http://www.postbulletin.com/news/stories/display.php?id=1443381

I just read this in the Post Bulletin.

WOW.

I like how they say OUTBREAK!!!!!!! after shooting 700 elk that were in an enclosure that all feed out of the same feeder and eat hay many have walked on and defecate on there would be much saliva contact between animals feeding out of a feeder! but yet out of 700 animals killed they found 3 infected!

its obvious it is a high threat of outbreak!

Wake up DNR!!!!!!!

i talked to two different DNR officers one told me that “only land owners would be allowed to kill deer” the other one told me that “if a land owner was not hunting he could grant permision to 1 individual to hunt their property” and one of my buddies got ahold of Lou (SE mn big game head officer) and he told him “that if you have permision from a land owner within the “kill zone” you can hunt. IM CONFUSED!!

Welcome to IDO Drew! Don’t worry about being confused…you’re in good company!

I assume its the same as the regular season. If you are in the area that they want deer culled, and you must have permission from the landowner.Its as simple as that. And oh yeh you can use a rifle

anyone that partakes in this should be slapped! Y would you go shoot yourself in the foot like that!

I also like how they say they are not planning on eradicating the herd!
only take say more than 300 but less than 1000 deer!

what do you think the etemated herd size is in the area they plan on taking deer!

I bet it something like 300-1000 deer!

So we should ignore the fact that Cwd has been found and do nothing ?

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So we should ignore the fact that Cwd has been found and do nothing ?

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I would really like to know of how many deer have CWD or had CWD and survived the %. In nature survival of the fittest and all survivors would be immune. Inquiring minds want to know.

I have read that Cwd is always fatal.

I would have to say yes!! Do nothing! Its called nature! every time man steps in to fix nature! more harm is done! besides that in areas that have had CWD for decades that we know of and no deer culling has been done! the % of animals infected are still less than 3% more die from starvation or a simple cold!

CWD is fatal! its more like a cancer than anything! There will never be a cure for it (MAN MADE ANYWAY) and it will always be around! It occurs mostly in older deer that are on there downfall anyway!

Thegun you sound convincing. Are you a Wildlife bioligist or something?

No I’m not and no I’m no expert! I’m a guy that has read much about this! It is a major concern to me being a deer farmer! I have spent allot of time reading about it!

I understand peoples concerns!

8 years ago or so when CWD became big new in WI most of us had never heard of the disease before! and there was a major media scare about it! and the actions WI took to try and control the disease to me was a good plan with the info they had at the time!

Now 8 to 10 years later! we now know it does not effect people and it don’t effect cattle! So Y make the same mistake they did! We now have better info and understanding of what it is!

this is a Cervidae disease! (DEER/ELK/ETC)

The way it looks to me This is going to be a repeat of WI!

Deer have a very good immune system and a remarkable way of finding there own immunity to many diseases!

Maybe you have heard of Moose dieing from brain worms! You know they get this from whitetails! and they contract it by eating a snail that was eating deer poo! well 100% of all whitetail in MN and WI have brain worms! at one time these were deadly to deer! but over the years they have evolved and now there immune system will only allow one worm to live in there brain!

Moose too are just now coming into contact with these in some areas but many are fighting back and becoming immune!

This is just an example of how hearty these animals are!

again I’m not an expert or a biologist! I’M just a guy that cant understand Y you would take such drastic actions over a disease that affects so FEW of an animal that is so resilient!

and I don’t understand how in 10 years knowing what they know now they would make the same mistakes!

To me its a crying shame!

TheguN you stated:
It is a major concern to me being a deer farmer!

I’d be firing up the butcher shop before the USDA comes knockin on yo doe…yuk yuk !

IMO Not one wild deer should be shot until every fenced in deer/elk is dumped and tested. After all, it was first found, in this area, in penned elk near PI. IMO every deer/elk farm should be shut down as the first step, not the last.

also you stated:
but over the years they have evolved and now there immune system will only allow one worm to live in there brain!

What the…are you serious? Where did you dig up this tidbit? That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard…well, almost but ranks right up there.
No wonder they’re always scratchin the back of their heads…they got a worm digging around in their brain! That is hilarious that’s what that there is…HILARIOUS! No more deer brain soup for me, no sir. I wonder if ya can fish with ’em? Unbelievable…

I can’t go on…I’m pretty sure I just soiled myself.

Well, that outta bring out some comments…bring ’em on!

Keep it calm boys No one want’s to see this happen on any hunting land or deer/elk farm

Wow haleysgold tell me how you really feel. Sounds like you think fenced deer have no place in Mn. But seriously do you think the DNR will or has the authority to shut down any Elk/Deer pens.

mat02z
Let’s say that it has to start someplace and the DNR seems the logical place to start. I think they need to initiate it and it appears they have ties with the USDA. Who controls them in the first place? I don’t know but whoever it is needs to determine if they are actually the source of it or not. Shooting wild deer is starting at the back end of the problem not the front. Do you think the DNR has power over license fees, seasons, etc…they can provide numbers, data, make recommendations, etc but it’s actually the MN Legislature that does most of it.
So don’t you think our legislature has the power?

http://www.dcnr.state.al.us/hunting/articles/brainworms.cfm

here is some info on the brain worms! what you think i could make something up like that!

you might want to be on the pot when you read it so you dont soil yourself!

as far as you being against raised deer! well there are many like you and i respect your opinion on it! but quite frankly it is many peoples livelihoods! Just like raising cattle! Its not going anywhere this is just another hurdle we have to overcome but do it the right way! Kinda like mad cows disease! Or TB in cows pigs etc>>>

I agree it was first found in our area in a farmed animal! But did they bring it here? I would guess yes but maybe not!

some questions the DNR should be looking at if they already havent is!!

Since all farmed deer/elk over 6 months old that die or are killed require CWD testing!

in the last 10+ years how many have been killed out of that pen and were tested?

how many years before they found the + CWD elk was the last deer brought in from outside our area?

The answer to that question will tell you the minimum time the disease must have been here unless it came from our wild deer!

Ok with this now we no that in X # years only 4 animals became infected!

I dont know the answers to some of these questions but they are needed to be asked!

Oh and as long as there are people willing to buy deer!

I will continue to raise them!

Haleysgold

you asked where I found that tid bit! I was acually e-mailed the info from the Ontario MNR after sending them a video of a infected moose that we watched drown in canada last summer!

The science explained here is fascinating.