I agree, the deer are there as there is plenty of sign just not during daylight. When I have just had time to go for a drive and look for deer I do not see them until right about 5, quiting time. Also my area is seeing pretty heavy muzzleloader pressure. It seems the last few years there are more muzzleloader hunters than shotgun hunters in my area. Of course this is o.k. by me since it keeps a lot of hunters out of the woods during the rut!