How high do you go?

  • Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #654207

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    i would like to know if the current breaks you talk about are the same as wing dams?




    No they are not the same a current break is where moving water meets slack or still water, James or one of the other guys will probably jump in here and explain it better than I can. Here is a description of a wing dam from the Article An In-Depth look at fishing wingdams… “Up at the Crack of Dawn!” by Jarrad Fluekiger.

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    What are wingdams?

    Wingdams are man made structures that jut out from the shorelines of a river towards the center of the main channel. These structures help force the flow of the river into the main channel to keep the river deep enough at its center to allow for barge traffic.


    Jon Stevens
    Northfield, Wi
    Posts: 1242
    #200821

    I know this question is asked a lot, and it may have been asked recently so I apologize if it has. On the average, how high do you set your stands and why? Mainly I feel 20 feet is high enough to keep my scent above game and keeps me out of their line of sight. I’m really just curious if there is a lot of guys sitting closer to the 15 foot level. I see a lot of ladder stands in this height and they just seem too short for me. Are any of you guys using them?

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #64859

    Depends on the cover around me. Typically, with portables, I would say I avg 14 feet.

    lick
    Posts: 6443
    #64864

    LadyLuck and I hunt only 15 and 17 ft ladder stands and have great luck. Very seldom do we get busted.

    Anonymous
    Guest
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    #64869

    I do have one nosebleed stand at 20 feet, but i prefer the 12-15′ height. I actually like using only the top 5′ section of a ladder stand, which puts my eyes about 10′ feet up, seen a bunch, and shot a few doing this, plus they are easy to carry in and move around as well.

    jeff_hansen
    Posts: 475
    #64870

    With 3 climbing sticks I end up about 16 feet up… works for me. I also shoot out of 15 ft. ladder stands with no problems.

    jeweler
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 543
    #64873

    About 15′. Have not had a problem yet.

    protourbaits
    stillwater, MN
    Posts: 2466
    #64876

    Most of ours are put around 15 for portables. We do have one that is around 20′ maybe a touch more Definitely wear a safety harness in that one

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18623
    #64877

    10-12′ with rifle. Two climbing sticks. Mainly to get a better view and safer shooting angle. I dont like heights.
    Plus less likely to get seriously injured if I fall.

    Jon Stevens
    Northfield, Wi
    Posts: 1242
    #64880

    Maybe I shouldn’t be investing in the extra climbing sticks. Thanks for the input guys.

    abster71
    crawford county WI
    Posts: 817
    #64885

    I don’t think I have a stand that’s under 20ft the last stand i hung is at 24 base of stand it’s high but it’s in a mature oak lot and there is no cover. I usually set stands at whatever it takes to get into some cover not one to sit in a limbless tree just feel like I stick out like a sore thumb. Being that high I constantly worry about shot distance looking to upgrade range finder to have arc technology.

    protourbaits
    stillwater, MN
    Posts: 2466
    #64891

    i agree with the arc rangefinders Ive noticed how much of a difference shots are when they are down hill and you range it w/ a “normal” rangefinder. I couldn’t imagine what they are like when you are really high in a tree

    mpearson
    Chippewa Falls, WI
    Posts: 4338
    #64892

    Like most have said…15 – 20 feet! But no matter how high you are, Always wear a safety harness!

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #64895

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    I couldn’t imagine what they are like when you are really high in a tree


    Not that much different actually . IMO the arc and similar range finders for archery hunting are overly marketed. I do see a good use in certain instances for rifle hunting in the Hills or Mountains, but for most Midwestern states, no need for them.

    Shooting from a height of 25′ higher then the deer’s vitals (which is quite extreme for most archery set ups, but possible) at a line of sight distance of 25 yards (non arc range finder reading). The difference in the yardage is around 1.4 yards different (23.57 Yards). To me, IMO that is not enough of a difference to be overly concerned about. There are more important factors at the moment of truth. Increase the shot distance that difference becomes even smaller. Example @ 40 yards the difference is less then a yard (39.12 yards). To go shorter distance of 15 yards, you do see a greater difference but with today’s bows most are sighted in with one pin out to 20 yards anyways. The difference is yardage @ 15 yards is around 2.5 yards (12.47 yards).

    Just my opinion, but if a buck is 12.47 or 15 yards, I’m still using my 20 yard pin and not changing my pin placement, I would be more concerned with my shooting form at that angle then I would about shot distance. Or if a buck is 25 or 23.5 yards, I’m still using my 20 yard pin and aiming a tad high. Lastly if a buck is 40 or 39.12 yards, I’m drilling that buck by holding dead on with my 40 yard pin. To each their own, I just wanted to point out a possible marketing gimmick IMO and show that 98% of the bow hunters out there can do just fine with a “Vertically Challenged “ Range Finder.

    If your stand or shooting height to the deer is less then that of 25 feet, then the difference is even less. I used a pretty extreme height to show even then, for most bow hunting shots, the difference is not what The Marketers make you believe there is.

    Pretty simple 10th grade math. a2 + b2 = c2! Just make sure all numbers are in the same measuring unit (yards or feet)!

    IH826
    Posts: 2
    #64900

    I hunt my fixed stands at 22′-24′ and my climber at 30′. According to everyone else, I’m High!

    mark winkels
    Posts: 350
    #64903

    I use a 15′ ladder and have a climb but the highest I go with that is around 20′.

    rangerski
    North Metro
    Posts: 539
    #64910

    Lip, not sure if you understand the arc feature on todays rf’s? They are designed to compensate for the different shot angles expressing the amount of “drop” that will occur( in other words it tells you its at 30 yds but shoot with the 20 yd pin because with the angle your arrow will drop less) Make sense??. As far as what your trajectory does based on different elevations, I believe gravity plays a greater role then the change in distance. It is not the change is distance that throws you off it is how much “drop” your arrow will perform. The greater angle shot downward the less drop you will see. Think if you shot straight down at a 90 degree angle= no drop, 45 degree angle… 0…. Thats were the arc ballistics come into play, the slight change in distance doesnt influence the traj. much. Try it out, stand on your roof peak and shoot at 20 yards, then stand ground level and shoot 20 yards. You will quickly see the difference. Any other opinions welcome…

    TonyPagliai1
    Iowa City, IA 52245
    Posts: 59
    #64918

    My stands are usually 8-15 feet in the air. I hunt very hilly terrain and it is very steep, if a deer is uphill I could be 30 feet up and it would be looking straight at me. I just try and get above the underbrush for a better shot.

    jeff_hansen
    Posts: 475
    #64919

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    If your stand or shooting height to the deer is less then that of 25 feet, then the difference is even less. I used a pretty extreme height to show even then, for most bow hunting shots, the difference is not what The Marketers make you believe there is.

    Pretty simple 10th grade math. a2 + b2 = c2! Just make sure all numbers are in the same measuring unit (yards or feet)!


    great point, Rob… the Pythagorean Theorem don’t lie. I saw a commercial where they had a guy shooting out of a bucket truck to illustrate the point,… he was up pretty high

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #64922

    I don’t think gravity as we know it, will affect an arrow at say 270 fps, on a 20 or 30 yard shot to affect it much. I looked into an ARC also and couldn’t justify the $$$ a couple seasons ago… although they have come down in $$$ quite a bit since then

    Anonymous
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    #64926

    man just think some of us have been killing deer w/out a range finder since 1847

    jeff_heeg
    Marshfield WI.
    Posts: 479
    #64929

    Most of my stands are at 20’ my tree stand height is normally dictated by the tree being used and the amount of cover it offers to the amount of canopy that would have to be opened up to be able to shoot any amount of distance. One of my favorite stands is in a white pine and probably only 12’ up. I do have 2 stands sitting at 24’

    As far as the range finder issue, I range all my practice targets from my 17’ elevated practice platform which is the same thing I do from my hunting stands check my reference points on the ground while sitting in my hunting stand, that’s how my bow is sighted in, and with the real thing a Montec G5 broadhead, with this there is no second guessing and all pure confidence. For my setup as far as speed there is very little difference as far as impact from being elevated to standing on the ground which may compare to what most folks would see.

    But you take a slower, lower poundage setup shooting a heavy arrow or a youth setup and they will be dead on at a ranged 20 yards shooting on the ground, but you set them up 15-20’ and they will more then likely shoot up to a foot high, this is why you should always take the extra step at set your sights from the height that you plan on hunting.

    A few years back while down in Nelson WI. Buffalo County Country I was at a camp and had them set up a ladder stand and a buck at 20 and 30 yards right next to camp, and it was amazing watching some of the hunters struggle trying to shoot from the ladder stand most of the time you heard comments like they were all nerved up with us watching, my comment was that when a big old buck steps into range, your going to be more rattled then you are now so lets get things figured out now not later when your hanging your head with grief.

    The arc system – not to hijack a great thread started
    This became a spin off from Outdoor Field shooters, from NFAA and Redding Classic thru the years. When shooting Redding Ca. our yardages shot range from 4 yards to 102 yards in the mountain range area of CA. and with this you will be shooting dang near straight down and or straight up in the NFAA Outdoor Field round the ranges will be just as twisted but the yardages run from 20 feet out to 80yards.

    In these games a bulls-eye can be as small as a arrow shaft close up to the size of a bottom of a gallon paint can at 102 yards, perfection in impact is the game and yardages at these distances can relate to half yards to stay on top of your class. The era of inclinometers came about and the majority of the folks that were in the freestyle and pro classes depended on these to stay in the game score wise. Some of these units were basic and some would tell exactly what had to be cut to the foot, meter or yard. Just so you know for the most part with a bow shooting 280 FPS you would only cut on the average 1 to 2.5 yards even out to 80 yards on extreme uphill or down hill shots – note extreme uphill as well as down hill you always take off yardage – you never add! from this increasing fad or trend of inclinometers came the new arc rangefinders, Sales are sales to say, a new fad or trend working it’s way into bowhunting world, this may help in the extreme angle bluff shot or out west on a long shot on an elk in the mountains.

    I range my practice targets from17’ feet up and I range my area when in my hunting stand using just a simple rangefinder and my arrows fly true to the spot, or a least the intent is there.

    Good Luck folks this Fall!

    eronningen
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 1885
    #64930

    20′ + if I can

    flatfish
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2105
    #64939

    I hang my stands at 18 to 22 feet if the tree of choice allows it. I always wear a safety belt. Fist thing on, last thing off.

    As far as the arc and angle of shooting distances, as was said, NEVER add, always subtract on the yardage. Lip Ripper’s facts are right. But I concur with some that have surmised that the new ‘gadget’ isn’t getting my $$$ unless I have nothing else to put on my B-Day or Christmas wish list…

    jonny p
    Waskish, MN
    Posts: 668
    #64954

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    \ They are designed to compensate for the different shot angles expressing the amount of “drop” that will occur( in other words it tells you its at 30 yds but shoot with the 20 yd pin because with the angle your arrow will drop less) Make sense??.


    They need to make one for us traditional shooters with instructions like “Way to far, aim at moon” or “Pull back extra hard and aim six feet over back” Maybe even “Move anchor point to waistband and let fly”.

    Oh and I am a high hunter. In my neck of the woods we are about 80% popple trees so ZERO cover plus our bedding areas are always very close to the feeding area so we are often on edges with wind swirlys. Hopefully the hieght helps keep the scent up. I normaly run my climber up about twenty feet unless I find a good cedar tree to hide in then I run a lock on about fifteen feet.

    shednut
    22 feet up
    Posts: 632
    #64959

    Anywhere from 15-22′ typically. The terrain and available cover are what I try to keep in mind when deciding how high I want to be. Though sometimes on “run and gun” setups the deciding factor is how many steps or sticks I have available

    bennyj
    sunrise mn
    Posts: 542
    #64967

    15-30 feet I like to be at least 20 feet normally

    bob_bergeson
    cannon falls
    Posts: 2798
    #64973

    I started using 16′ sticks and then screwing in a couple of steps to get up to about 17-21′ and have very little issues of being picked off.
    SS396

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #64976

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    Lip, not sure if you understand the arc feature on todays rf’s? They are designed to compensate for the different shot angles expressing the amount of “drop” that will occur( in other words it tells you its at 30 yds but shoot with the 20 yd pin because with the angle your arrow will drop less)


    Rangerski, I do believe I understand the arc finders. Someone else please correct me if I’m wrong but it is a simple math problem. For your example above to be true to create that sharp of an angle you must be 67.08 feet higher then your target, which is not very realistic around the Midwestern states. Out West in the hills or mountains ok a shot like that might occur and your 20 and 30 yard pins are quite different and could cost you an animal and out there is somewhere a ARC Range finder would come in handy. I’m just simply trying to point out for 98% (plus Jeff Heeg :grin) of the bow hunters around this neck of the woods, the marketing scheme behind this is not warranted for here IMO. The “arc” range finders do not really measure arrow drop but true ballistic ranges or horizontal distance to the target.

    Believe me, when it comes to bow hunting, if I need it I have it.

    Just ask my wife.

    Also to drive home a point made by others, even up hill shots (against gravity) your true yardage is less.

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #64978

    Also to answer the original question. I have anything from 15′ ladder stands to 25’ fixed stands. However I usually stand on the seat of the 15’ ladder stands to get me even a little higher. For me height all depends on individual stand location, back drop, etc. However, I would say most of my fixed stands are around 15-20′ to the platform. As mentioned always wear your safety harness no matter how high the stand is.

    My first deer I harvested @ 7 yards was shot out of the Nose Bleed Stand. This stand was in the vicinity of 30’. That stand is no longer around due to a storm taking it down and has since been replaced by the Knobby, who has seen better days and probably only has a few years left in it also.

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