Iowa Nonresident Preference Points

  • cshunt1
    Eagan, MN
    Posts: 370
    #642831

    Quote:


    I have not used my camera yet this year based soley on the fact that I get a little ticked trying to set it up on the bait. Then try to keep it there

    For $14.99 sounds like it is worth a shot!!!

    Beats getting the spins for a half hour.


    im not trying to hijack the thread, but i had to add my 2 cents on this one too. i broke down and bought my first cam this year, a scout2. i also grabbed this marcum compass and its sweet, you can switch between lines in no time with this. i thought that the way the camera head is designed that i would have to adjust it to play with the current a lot, but it doesnt move. that compass keeps the camera locked in and rock solid. its a great product and im glad that my hasty impulse buy proved to be a winner!

    by the way, great show guys!! keep up the good work!

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #200278

    From the Iowa DNR website

    PREFERENCE POINTS

    Hunters who choose not to apply for Any-deer/

    Antlerless-only combination licenses in 2009 may purchase

    one preference point that will improve chances of getting a

    license in a future year. Preference points may only be

    purchased May 2 – June 7. Preference points are $10 plus

    application fees and will be available online or through the

    telephone ordering system. Preference point fees will

    increase to $50 once the bill is signed by the Governor.

    Hunters unsuccessful in the Any-deer/Antlerless-only

    combination license drawing will be given one preference

    point AND assessed a mandatory, nonrefundable $50

    preference point fee. Preference points will not accrue in

    a year in which you fail to apply or purchase a preference

    point, but you will retain any preference points previously

    earned. Once you receive an Any-deer/Antlerless-only

    combination license, your preference point(s) will be

    eliminated. (You will not lose preference points by purchasing

    an optional Antlerless-only license). You may use

    your preference points in any zone or season the next

    time you apply. Preference points will not apply to

    Antlerless-only licenses.

    The license drawing for Any-deer/Antlerless-only combination

    licenses will be made from the pool of applicants with

    the most preference points and continue to pools with

    successively fewer preference points until quotas are filled or

    all applicants have received licenses.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #52046

    Quote:


    Preference point fees will

    increase to $50 once the bill is signed by the Governor.


    Anyone know anything about this? When is it going to happen? I have heard rumors that the non resident license could go up to $1000

    I was going to start applying this year to earn preference points but I am not going to $50 a year for one point and there is no way I am going to pay $1000 for a license.

    SteveHuettl
    South Metro
    Posts: 224
    #52064

    Yes Steve you are correct on the preference points for Iowa, $50 now! I just went through all this and know a couple residents down there so here is the skinny…

    If you apply and don’t get drawn they will keep $50 and issue you a preference point for next year. The process has been somewhat slowed on the license costs so if you think your going to get drawn this year then do it now! Once the governor signs the new bill the license fees are going to go up…way up! Rite now it cost $524 if you get drawn for a non-resident license. From what I’ve heard it will probably be around $850 once the governor signs the new bill.

    I have 3 preference points built up so I am fortunate that I will get drawn this year and pay the $524. This will more than likely be my last year hunting Iowa if the costs go up like their saying they will.

    It’s too bad Iowa is doing this but can you really blame them!?!?!? There taking advantage of what they have and seeing how much they can get for it. As the saying goes…you can always move to Iowa if you want, nobody is forcing you to live in MN, WI, etc.

    If your wondering if I agree with what Iowa is doing my answer is a BIG FAT NO!!!!! Just for the record.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #52074

    So each year that you apply for points you will have to pay $50 right? I have never applied before so I have no points built up so it sounds like it would not be worth it for me to apply because I will not pay $850 for a license.

    SteveHuettl
    South Metro
    Posts: 224
    #52083

    If your not going to pay the $850 then don’t even bother applying. It will cost you $50 for a preference point each year you don’t draw. That being said if it takes 2 preference points (2 years) depending on the zone your applying for it will not only cost you $850 for the license but you will also have $100 worth of preference points you paid for as well. Bringing your total to $950! That’s why this year will probably be my last hunting in Iowa. The residents down there can have there deer and I will spend my money in another economy that want’s my business!!

    It just doesn’t make sense to someone like me but I guess if they get there money there going to continue to raise the prices until they find the threshold guys are willing to pay these days.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #52112

    I was talking with a co-worker today and the way he understands it if you just want to purchase a preference point without applying for a license it will only cost you $10, looks like I will have to call the DNR tomorrow and get the straight scoop. I will post here what I find out.

    luke_haugland
    Iowa City, Iowa
    Posts: 3037
    #52115

    I am not positive on this, but it could be because of the major flood that came through- I know the fishery dept is really hurting because of lost revenue from the flood. The hunting side could be in the same boat if all DNR share funding-

    I would assume they aren’t doing it just to charge more money, if they are doing it, it is because it is needed. I live and breathe whitetails here in Iowa, if you don’t want to pay the price…thats fine…but please do keep in mind, that it may not be raising prices…just because they can.

    robhood23
    Posts: 214
    #52122

    I hope you are joking Luke! How much did the resident tags go up? If it had to do with flooding the government would have gotten national funds. Hey Steve, what did you find out. I purchased a point awhile ago for the $10 plus fees, are they planning on charging my card more when this bill gets signed, if so I will just cancell my card so they can’t and be out of the game! I would rather chase elk, moose or apply all over for sheep for that kind of money!

    SteveHuettl
    South Metro
    Posts: 224
    #52126

    From what I understand you can buy just the preference point online rite now for $10. It will go up to $50 when the bill is signed. If you apply for an actual license and don’t get drawn then they will keep $50 and give you a preference point. Just don’t forget if you buy a preference point for $10 this year and then get drawn for a tag next year your going to have to pay the increased rate for a license…whatever that ends up being!

    Luke – Let me start off by saying that I respect you as a hunter and a resident of IA but your reasoning behind why the tags are going up doesn’t make any sense. I don’t want to start an argument here but do you feel $525 is fair for a non-resident hunting license, better yet the $850 it will probably be going up to?? How would you feel if MN started charging IA residents $500 to come fish in our state??? IMO, IA is out of control and yes they are raising the prices just to see how much they can get! Like I mentioned before it’s a personal choice and the choice is getting easier to make…I will spend my money in another states economy that actually wants my business!!

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #52129

    Very good point Steve. Iowa may have the Deer, but MN has the Fish and I know Luke comes up here to fish. What if they raised that up to a ridiculous(IMO) amount just cause they could???? No thanks I will stay here in MN, ND, SD & WI and buy four tags for less then a Iowa tag. Not only that, I don’t have to wait as I can get a archery tag every year in those states.

    wishin4eyes
    NORTH CENTRAL, IOWA
    Posts: 25
    #52132

    The floods last year caused way more damage than alot of people realize, and yes that is 1 of the reasons for the increase. The other reason is what alot of us down here call protecting a resource, the way the whitetail world has blown up over the last decade here in Iowa is insane, and you can blame a good portion of that on some of the WHITETAIL CELEBRITIES. These people have come in areas of the state bought or leased up land drove prices up on area farmers FACE IT they are the problem, and they are willing to pay so think of that the next time you are all sewn up in buying there sponsors products and supprting this trend. These hunting celebrities and companies are the competition and are the main reason for rising prices THEY WILL PAY!!!!! and that is what makes it tough for the average working man to hunt. So remember that next time you are takin in by Bill Jordan, Micheal Waddell etc etc.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #52135

    Quote:


    How much did the resident tags go up?


    I would also like to know that, are the resident tags going to go up too?

    wishin4eyes
    NORTH CENTRAL, IOWA
    Posts: 25
    #52141

    Yes the resident tags are going to go up at the same time the non-resident tags do as for how much we are in the dark on that yet.
    Take a good look at the big picture of this we are our own worst enemies. The companies we all support are the ones that are competing against us in alot of ways down here and driving the prices and demand up. Go to west central Iowa and talk to some local hunters see how they feel about Mathews, Primos, Scent Lok etc buying and leasing there hunting ground to film there shows. Go to southern Iowa and find ground you might just be surprised on how many of these companies have alot of it all sewn up, and then turn around and promote Iowa deer hunting. They have made the demand for Iowa deer hunting therefore prices skyrocket. So think of that the next time you go to cabelas and bye that new Mathews bow Scent Lok suit etc. They are your non-resident competition and they are going to PAY FACE IT!!!! That is the biggest reason the prices have done what they are doing.
    It is not the Iowa residents that are doing this. The Iowa residents and the DNR have done a good job of managing our deer herd in alot of aspects, now there are alot of outside sources trying to capitolize on it not just the IOWA DNR.

    SteveHuettl
    South Metro
    Posts: 224
    #52142

    Ok, let me get this straight. There were floods in Iowa so in order to recover some of the damage costs YOUR going to charge people more money for coming to YOUR state and spending money in YOUR economy! I’ve never claimed to be all that smart but something just isn’t adding up there.

    Iowa is “protecting it’s resource”, you can still do that by limiting the amount of tags given out like there doing now without taking you to the cleaners at the same time! If you want to “protect your resource” then why do residents get to shoot multiple bucks every year?? Maybe you need to include residents in your “protection” as well if it’s that important to you!!

    WHITETAIL CELEBRITIES are to blame…what!?!?!?!? You think Iowa is the only place that happens? Your state is only one of many across the country where people buy and lease land for hunting. It’s part of a business and there just trying to run there business the best they can. How does driving up land prices hurt area Farmers? Last time I checked I wanted my land value to go up not down! The only people it’s hurting are normal guys like me and you that want to purchase land for our own personal use. My response to that is, don’t buy it if you can’t afford it. You won’t have to worry about that much longer anyway because land prices will just go down now that you can’t afford to hunt there and aren’t gauranteed a tag every year.

    I have multiple friends that live in Iowa and we argue about this same thing every year. Everytime I hear about this from an Iowa resident there response is always the same…stay away and leave our “resource” alone! Some day you will get your wish and you will be crying to have people come and visit your state once again when nobody is spending money in your economy!! I can gaurantee you your local businesses don’t feel the same way as you. They want us to come and spend our money there and the approach Iowa is taking now isn’t going to help that in the future!

    Just my $.02

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #52144

    Quote:


    It is not the Iowa residents that are doing this. The Iowa residents and the DNR have done a good job of managing our deer herd in allot of aspects, now there are allot of outside sources trying to capitolize on it not just the IOWA DNR.


    I agree with you 100 % the reason Iowa is so popular to hunt is because the Iowa DNR knows how to manage there deer heard and the number one thing that Iowa does to accomplish this is to not have there gun season during the peak rut, if MN would follow there example we also could be a top state for trophy whitetails.

    robhood23
    Posts: 214
    #52145

    I just heard from a very reliable source that MN is going to charge reciprocity! You can buy points at $50 a piece and build points to come and fish, It should only take 3 years to get drawn and the bright side is they are ONLY going to charge $850 for the actual fishing license! Imagine how good the fishing is going to be for us residents! Thank Babe Winkleman for this one!

    whitetails4ever
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 756
    #52146

    What about Knight Rifles and Hunter Specialties, both located in Iowa, and now the countless outfitters in the state. What about the Iowa DNR giving Govenor’s tags to all these Video and TV productions to, in fact, promote deer hunting in Iowa. Ya, residents had nothing to do with promoting Iowa Deer hunting.
    Not at all saying they are at fault either. One is no more to blame as the other. It’s a combo of it all. We all still have the choice to pay to play. Do I think the prices are too high? Of course, but there’s nothing we can do about it as NR’s. And the sad thing is, when IA price goes up, usually Illinoise and Kansas follow suite and so on. Still our choice to pay it, if you can’t afford it, don’t. It sucks, I love hunting IA but at $850(if it happens) is too much for me.

    SteveHuettl
    South Metro
    Posts: 224
    #52147

    Quote:


    I just heard from a very reliable source that MN is going to charge reciprocity! You can buy points at $50 a piece and build points to come and fish, It should only take 3 years to get drawn and the bright side is they are ONLY going to charge $850 for the actual fishing license! Imagine how good the fishing is going to be for us residents! Thank Babe Winkleman for this one!


    Thank you Babe!!!!!!!

    wishin4eyes
    NORTH CENTRAL, IOWA
    Posts: 25
    #52148

    First off I said the flooding is 1 of the reasons license prices are going up right or wrong it is the truth. Believe me us residents are paying for it to.

    Yes we as residents are worried about protecting our whitetail herd and were proud of it. Look at our seasons we can harvest 1 buck with a bow and 1 with a firearm. Our firearm season doesn’t start until the first saturday of december well after the main rut unlike some states. Our firearm season statewide is limited to shotgun, muzzleloader or handgun not rifle like alot of other states. Iowa has done a good job on our deer obviosly or people wouldn’t want to come here and hunt. Being able to take 2 bucks as a resident, well i guess thats just one of the perks we have. It seems alot of states are a little jealous over what we have maybe they should re-evaluate their own states management and seasons.

    You don’t think the WHITETAIL CELEBRITIES have anything to do with the rising costs of non-resident licenses, stop and think again they are the driving force behind the increase. You don’t think every person that watches there shows don’t want to come to Iowa. Yes they have drivin land prices up on farmers, you are right about high prices being good {if you are selling}. But tell me what about the cattle farmer that has rented the pasture and timber up the road for 10 years then the next thing he knows, the landlord who lives in the city calls and says he is either gonna have to pay more rent or he is gonna lease it out to TEAM REALTREE because they are offering way more money. That is a FACT and is only 1 example I can get you some Iowa farmers names and numbers for several more if you want. It is a double edged sword believe me it is happening more all the time, and it is costing all of us. Hunting is becoming more commercialized and that is a problem in every state.

    Believe me I don’t agree with everything the DNR has done by any means but I also see why they are doing it.

    SteveHuettl
    South Metro
    Posts: 224
    #52150

    You make some valid points wishin and I respect you for standing your ground. We could argue about this for days and never get anywhere. Were just going to have to agree to disagree on many points.

    I just don’t understand why more people WANTING to come to your state regardless of the reason is a bad thing. You should feel honored that people want to come to your state and help your local economy.

    Again, thanks for standing your ground and I hope Iowa is making the correct decisions for the future of your state!

    luke_haugland
    Iowa City, Iowa
    Posts: 3037
    #52158

    wow…good discussion going here. First off, your economy argument isn’t valid- Saying that we don’t want people coming here and putting money into our economy. People will pay to hunt in Iowa no matter what the price is, that is a fact- You may not and some other guys may not, but I can guarantee Iowa will fill each and every last tag that we allow for non residents…thats a fact.

    So, one way or the other, the money is coming into the economy. And yes, us as residents are paying for it as well. Lets say for example…a deer tag goes up in price for a resident. Lets say from 25 to 50…that is a that is a 100% increase. It may not seem much to us, but it is doubling our cost. The same increase should apply to non residents…100% increase. Seems fair to me…But I guess if others don’t see it that way…then don’t come and hunt here. It is as simple as that.

    As far as the fishing in Minnesota argument, if I feel the price justifies the fishing quality, then I will pay it, if I don’t, I won’t.

    But again, we will fill the non resident tags, from here until Iowa antlers get small, no matter the cost, and I don’t foresee Iowa antlers growing smaller any time in the near future.

    And yes again, it is because of the flood. Fishing license sales were in the red (according to the proposed spending budged for the Iowa DNR) by over a couple million dollars.

    People wanting to come to our state is a great thing- but what is happening to our friendly farmers is not. Ten years ago I could hunt any farm for free around my area. Take the farmer a nice fresh batch of walleye fillets or pheasant breasts, and you were good to go for the year. Of course, treating his property as your own, goes without saying, but you get my point.

    Now, you can’t do that anymore because of the popularity of the land. For that I am glad the prices are going up, because it protects our resources, and the way hunting in Iowa used to be. And it is putting funding back into our economy. Bottom line is, if you don’t want to pay it, that is fine, but the next 10,000 people in line, will.

    Also, the fishing isn’t a good comparison Rob, most good hunting occurs on private land, that is managed by Iowa farmers, not by the DNR- Food plots and selective harvest, are many reasons why we have great deer, not because the gov’t pays for it. Yes, I am thankful the DNR protects our whitetails during the rut, but there is much more to it that the cost and time falls on us as the hunters. And for example, Mille lacs, is managed by the DNR, I know most of you practice selective harvest while fishing, but isn’t that about it as far as YOUR money goes into protecting mille lacs? Mille lacs is public waters, so you can’t compare that to hunting Iowa farm land. Now, if you have some farm pond that is privately owned, and I caught a ten lbs walleye on every cast, I believe I would pay you a thousand dollars to fish it.. Make sense?

    I would really like to keep this discussion going, in a good and freindly manner, not let it get heated, so that everybody can see everyone else opinions.

    SteveHuettl
    South Metro
    Posts: 224
    #52163

    It won’t get heated Luke because apparently Iowa is the greatest state in the country for whitetails and should be “protected”.

    Like I said, after this year I won’t be spending my money in your economy anymore. I just hope a lot of other non-residents see it my way and follow suit. I would love nothing more than to “stick it” back to Iowa for all the sticking they’ve done over the years!

    Hope this helps YOU get on more land in the future Luke!!

    luke_haugland
    Iowa City, Iowa
    Posts: 3037
    #52172

    Ok, you didn’t answer or respond to anything I said…you just took it to a personal level..cool man, and mature.

    Yet, I will still try and address some things…

    You say “my way, and follow suit…” maybe it isn’t about your way? Maybe it is about the Iowans peoples way? Not your way…

    It is obvious that you have a problem with Iowa from your language, and for that I apologize, but if Iowa has been “sticking” you for whatever you feel stuck, then, I am sorry but that is your own fault, don’t like the heat, get out of the kitchen. No one is forcing non residents to come here and hunt…so how did you get stuck? I simply don’t understand.

    As far as me getting on more land comment… it has nothing to do with me, I have plenty of land that I am comfortable with. However, I am worried about my children, and my brothers children, and every other young bowhunter in Iowa who now can not afford to find hunting land because of what the Iowa whitetail industry has become.

    Your missing something buddy, its not about YOU, or me…

    SteveHuettl
    South Metro
    Posts: 224
    #52176

    If you would have read my previous post I pointed out that we could argue about this forever and never get anywhere…that’s why I’m not going to do that!

    Like I said, I’m done hunting IA after this season. You can have all your whitetails to yourself as far as I’m concerned. I will spend my time and money hunting in MN…better yet WI where they don’t limit the amount of hunters and stick it to you just to hunt. At least in WI they kick out more deer in one day then you shoot in an entire season in IA. Not to mention the 10 times amount of P&Y deer that come out of WI compared to IA!! I don’t see the hunting getting any worse in WI because of it.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #52179

    Quote:


    I am worried about my children, and my brothers children, and every other young bowhunter in Iowa who now can not afford to find hunting land because of what the Iowa whitetail industry has become.


    You hit the nail right square on the head there Luke, and if it prevents Iowa residents from hunting just think how many more non residents will not be able to afford to hunt in Iowa, I think that is the point Steve is tiring to make. But you are also right that someone else will buy the tags unfortunately this is becoming a rich mans sport and pushing out the average Joe’s.

    SteveHuettl
    South Metro
    Posts: 224
    #52180

    Quote:


    Quote:


    I am worried about my children, and my brothers children, and every other young bowhunter in Iowa who now can not afford to find hunting land because of what the Iowa whitetail industry has become.


    You hit the nail right square on the head there Luke, and if it prevents Iowa residents from hunting just think how many more non residents will not be able to afford to hunt in Iowa, I think that is the point Steve is tiring to make. But you are also right that someone else will buy the tags unfortunately this is becoming a rich mans sport and pushing out the average Joe’s.


    That is an issue for everyone these days. Unfortunetely it isn’t just Iowa that has this issue…it’s every state! The only assurance you can have for your children and thier future is to buy your own land! There is always public land which makes states like MN and WI such a nice area to live in.

    dbokman
    Posts: 35
    #52184

    Interesting perspectives on both sides of the coin.

    Like it or not it’s simple Supply & Demand economics. Pay to play or ride the pine.

    wishin4eyes
    NORTH CENTRAL, IOWA
    Posts: 25
    #52187

    Supply and Demand is exactly right, and for every person that decides not to come to Iowa because of the high prices, there are several more that are willing to pay. That has been my point, the outdoor companies and yes there WHITETAIL CELEBRITIES coming in and filming all there shows etc. are as much competition to the non-resident hunters {tags and prices} as they are to the residents over land. Most people just fail to realize this because they are so taken in by them.

    Now as far as thinkin Iowa has been stickin it to ya for years if that is the way you feel, no one has ever forced anyone to come here and hunt that is your own fault not ours.

    Comparing Iowa Hunting to Minnesota Fishing is like comparing apples to oranges.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #52206

    I do know that alot of parks, not just a few got eigther hit hard or wiped off the map. Theres an awful lot of parks along the rivers and creeks here and I think most of them had some kind of damage. I know its to get those parks rebuilt but I don’t go for a rate hike like they are asking for now, to me its way to much. Buying preference points is about as a rediculous as I’ve heard, I thought it was a fair square world, especially with the DNR but I guess not. To me it means the guy with less money will be put aside and he’ll have to wait because of the guy who has enough money to buy points and don’t care. I know the DNR needs money to rebuild things but theres other ways to do it, sell bonds for a 15 to 20 year payback and give everybody and even chance. If I didn’t live here and had to pay the now new price Id never hunt here and Im not ashamed to say it. That $850 bucks would go along way in Missouri and norther Missouri is as good or just about as good as southern Iowa, theres records on both sides of the border. I just can’t see the big jump in prices the way thier doing it.
    When they shoot big deer the big guys come in and buy up everything, thats whats driving prices up. Its a popular place to hunt, so comes the commercialism and the money and its too bad. If the new hike in resident liscenses go up to $50 bucks I won’t hunt, Id have to really think about it to go. I do know that sales of fishing liscenses has gone down this year.

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