Antler-point restrictions in SE MN

  • timmy
    Posts: 1960
    #49633

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    I just don’t understand the point of a trophy buck, so you are telling us if we let all the small buck go we’ll be shooting more trophy bucks .
    Well if everyone is shooting a tropy buck, wouldn’t the deer just be the norm then

    Please tell me where it’s going to stop.


    That is the problem – it won’t stop until you become an outlaw for shooting ANY buck that isn’t a huge one……

    I for one am sick of the trophy buck push and emphasis upon the rack. I was raised in a group that valued the deer hunt and the comraderie. When a big one was shot, it was a rare, special event, and the first thing that occurred WAS NOT to mention the G’2s or look for deductions. Watch almost any hunting show these days and that is what you see……..the times have changed a lot, but not for the better IMO.

    IMHO, this entire QDM push and legislation push is for a MINORITY group of hunters to push their will on the majority in order to fuel their own egos. I have no issues whatsoever if you chose to pass a young buck, but please don’t tell me what to do. I get limited (by choice……I have other hobbies) time to hunt/scout and if a buck happens by (any buck), I will shoot it. I was raised in an old-school type of hunting camp and we valued bucks……any bucks over does…..I just get no rush shooting a doe. I will shoot one to fill a tag, but for my tag, I am waiting for antlers – any antlers. Spike, fork, six, whatever……I get a little bit of satisfaction shooting a buck, but don’t get enough time in the woods to have a reasonable chance at a nice buck. If I pass a fork, I will probably not get another chance that year……..I will error on the side of filing my tag……I get sick of the QDM crowd pushing the idea down our throats that we should not be satisfied or happy to shoot a fork……

    Tim

    SLACK
    HASTINGS, MN
    Posts: 711
    #49645

    i think a lot of the problem is these guys have there own 80-100 acre little plot of private land they hunt, they put in all this work with scouting (i don’t know how often you need to scout the same little plot of land) food plots, trail cams, ect. and they practice QDM which i don’t have a problem with. you see it all the time where they have pictures of deer and they talk about how big they will be in a year or two and they’re not quite shooters yet and all that. then the deer season comes along and they see these “not quite shooters” hanging on the neighbors game pole and get upset because there neighbor does not practice QDM. so they want the goverment to come in and force the neighbors to think like them.

    packingheat
    Reads Landing Mn
    Posts: 696
    #49652

    Thank You, Timmy and Slack, I some times feel I’m the only one that is a deer hunter, if some calls me a “meat hunter” I guess I am. I do hunt for the meat,memories and the time out doors carrying on a tradition spanning back to 1945 when my Grandpa would hope that my Uncles and Dad would be back from WW II to go up north hunting.
    I commend you guys and gals that spend time scouting for that one buck you want to shoot/harvest and passing up on others that you think have a better potential in a year or two. You are not doing anything wrong if that is what you want to do, but please why are you taking the choice away from others that hunt ethically and legally

    kentuckyboy
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 270
    #49671

    Here is my first post to ANY forum….

    I support the DNR attempting to implement QDM principals. I don’t believe it is fair to have it limited to just south east MN. If it is going to happen it should be statewide or not at all.

    I think that an antler point restriction is the easiest for the DNR to implement, but it isn’t foolproof from a QDM standpoint. It is possible, not always the case, but possible for yearlings to have 8 or even 10 points. These are the deer that should be allowed to grow and distribute their superior genetics, but ultimately will be the first ones taken under an antler point restriction. This is where the individual hunter needs to make a conscious decision to let the future bruisers walk while they are still immature. QDM is about harvesting mature deer….not deer with 8 or more points.

    It would be impossible for the DNR to expect the general public to be able to put deer into age classes by using body mass, head size, antler mass & muscular development to identify a mature deer.

    lars
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 308
    #49677

    Very simple, short and sweet, because this subject will make more arguments than handshakes:

    Who will this benefit?—People who Bowhunt, hunt private land and people who can make it out over, let’s say, 15-20 days a year. Trophy hunters as well.

    Who will it affect?—80% of the hunters in MN–people who can’t make it out but 1-5 days a year who hope to see/harvest a deer in that short of time.

    I had the chance to meet a gentleman who’s son harvested a 190″ class deer this past fall. After telling him how impressive the rack was his statement back to me was, “Just some more decorations on a piece of meat.”

    Now I know people are going to yell “Why not just shoot a doe then?” Well becase frankly these farmers only hunt the gun season and can only get out the 1-5 days that their time allows them to. Plus, they go out to get food not to shoot a bruiser and try to get a bunch of attention or get praise because of it.

    Not to mention people with strict jobs and family men who spend their vacation time on family trips, not on hunting vacations.

    These restrictions are for a very small group of trophy hunters and I feel very bad for the people in the latter group. This is not a good idea.

    SLACK
    HASTINGS, MN
    Posts: 711
    #49679

    Lars, you hit the nail on the head that is why it is so important that when the public meeting come around we “meat hunters” show up in force, i do beleave we are the majority

    SLACK
    HASTINGS, MN
    Posts: 711
    #49706

    i’m sure they have not desided when and were yet but they will have several at differant locations in SE MN

    Scott Mueller
    Coon Rapids, MN
    Posts: 125
    #49727

    sounds like a good idea to make sure there’s always some bad genes in the herd

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #49765

    There are some very valid concerns and reasons on both sides of this discussion, and I understand both sides. I hunt different situations, and for different reasons, and enjoy all aspects of the hunt.

    1. I gun hunt with a large group of guys. This is the typical SE MN deer hunt. We do mostly drives and hunt hard for the 4-5 days we are allowed to get away from work/families. For some of the guys, this is their only deer hunting for the year. As much as some of the younger guys like to pass on small bucks, the older guys will tip them over every time. This hunt is about the EXPERIENCE. Hanging out with the guys at deer camp, drinking a couple of beers, telling lies, and just having a great weekend together. Yeah, we shoot some great bucks, but also shoot a lot of does, and the landowners thank us for it.

    2. Bowhunting, where you have the greatest gift of hunting. TIME. Here you have to put in a lot of effort, for very little reward most years, but you can choose which deer to harvest, and make a choice for yourself. I normally have numerous chances at different deer, both bucks and does.

    I think of all the great reads on IDO, there are a couple that stand out. Brad’s Juaire’s wide one (#2), but his read last year about spending the hunt with his father (#1)and the enjoyment he received from the entire experience, clearly shows both sides of the story. Brad is a great story teller, and lets his Dad have the hunt his Dad wants, not what Brad would do. Sorry Brad if I took your reasons or hunts out of context, but I thought this had validity to the discussion, and clearly show both viewpoints.

    We all hunt for our own reasons, and I hate to say that I should place my beliefs on anothers hunt. I understand “The greatest good for the greatest amount of people”, but when and where do we decide that we cannot legislate everything. I would love to see more older deer, and when I have my own 1,000 acres (MY dream), I can manage it how I see fit (while still paying my yearly “rent” (taxes) to the man).

    While I like more and bigger deer, I do not feel it should be decided by the government. I can and will make my own decisions about what is best for me and my family. If this makes me a meat hunter, or not a sportsman, well then sign me up. I will continue to hunt because I truly and honestly love being outdoors, and spending my time in the woods and waters.

    I also feel that QDM is ingrained in the younger generation, and as time passes, this will become the norm. Less and less meat hunters, and more and more horn hunts.

    Sorry for the long, drawn out post, but it helps me sort out my thoughts by putting them on paper sometimes. My opinion only, so take it for what it is worth.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #49814

    This is a brilliant idea!

    I’m going to apply this same theory on all of my walleye and muskie adventures. Throw back the little guys and that “adult, mature” 26″ walleye or 42″ muskie for the table.

    Same point right? Wait till the little ones get bigger and harvest the larger?

    Alright, enough of my banter…….
    Here is a valid point……How are you DNR-QDM proposed BWA guys going to rid Zone 3 of all the inferior bucks? If it isn’t an 8pointer, you can’t shoot it. So now you are going to have all kinds of inferior, protected animals. That is NOT WHAT QDM is about.

    Sure wish I would have known about this meeting ahead of time.

    I have no problem on voluntarily letting a smaller buck go. If that is the case, then go to earn-a-buck program or something of that nature.
    but what I see here is inferior buck protection.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #49820

    Your right Gary, how about letting a certain amount of tags go in selected areas to take some of those inferior bucks and still have antler restrictions if some guys are after a trophy. Atleast doing this guys have a chance to eigther get a smaller buck tag or shoot a trophy with a regular tag. If thier going to make this idea into law then both sides would atleast have a chance at a buck or both kinds could take a doe if they don’t score a smaller buck, isn’t there plenty of does anyway?

    robhood23
    Posts: 214
    #49822

    My question is “Why is Iowa such a deer hunting mecca with no antler point restrictions”? I believe landowners can shoot 2 to 3 bucks a year. I think they need to look at other factors such as the timeing of the rut it they truley want SE MN to be a Mature buck hunting destination!

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #49827

    To me and other hunters too the timing of the rut has alot to do with it. In the past when the herd was expanding back in the 40’s and 50’s all you could shoot were bucks, you couldn’t take a doe. The does were not shot because they needed them to expand the herd. After awhile the herd got bigger and they decided to let does be hunted in certain areas because of the stable population in that area, the rest of the state caught up fairly quickly. They eventually left tags go for eighter sex because the DNR counts told them how many could be taken and they knew with the amount of liscenses sold they wouldn’t exceed those amounts, they didn’t have an unlimited number of liscenses, some years guys couldn’t get drawn.

    The herds got bigger and by this time there was quite a few bucks and does and the balance they wanted for everybody was close to what they though would sustain good numbers and ages of both sexes. Now you see alot of 6 to 8 pointers and if you search and do your scouting you have a good chance of seeing one of atleast 140″.

    The shotgunners down here aren’t as selective about a bucks size as much as archers and black powder hunters are understandedly. The season is shorter for shotgunners and they take some young bucks but enough is left to grow bigger by the next season. Big bucks are left for everyone that has more time and searches for an area where thier at because the population of bucks was givin a chance to get to mature age. Bucks of all ages do get shot every year but theres enough left that next year they will be consided takers by other hunters. There are areas here that don’t get hunted or very little and thats where alot of bucks hide during shotgun. You can’t drive an ATV on any public land here to retrieve an animal so if you get one way back in its a long drag out. Theres alot of small patches of timber that every year get overlooked by hunters and when season opens they go to those places to wait the season out. I think a couple reasons that might be the main reasons are population densitys of people and small 20 acre timbers are all over the place, besides the bigger timbers are the ones that usually get more pressure. Iowa is full of rolling hills and river bottoms and deer take advantage of that and know where to hide, the bigger ones know from previous years where to go. Almost all river bottoms here are wooded on both sides of the river and thier are some big stands of timber along most rivers here. Some of the land here is almost impossible to hunt with a gun or with out dozens of guys hunting the same party because of the bluffs and ridges and other things that make it rough for guys to shotgun while in a party. Even when theres alot of guys shotgunning enough deer make it through to get bigger because theres good numbers of deer in both sexes almost everywhere.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #49829

    There are three things just bugging the crap out of me on this subject that I just cannot put to rest.

    1) There is a private organization with a personal vendetta for this rule, that are located in a very small section of zone 3, that’s lobbying for all of zone 3 to change.

    2) The members of this private organization doing this lobby for their opininated voice have no scientific or biological background to change the method of which nature should survive.

    3) After their lobby was presented to the DNR, then they present it to the public to let people know what happened at the meeting, making it too late for other oinions to be voiced on the matter.

    whitetails4ever
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 756
    #49881

    The MN Deer Hunters Association attended the meeting in Rochester along with Bluffland Whitetail Association.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #49934

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    Bluffland Whitetails Association organized the gathering of top Department of Natural Resources wildlife managers, deer-hunter groups and experts from three other states.


    Since there are BWA guys on this site, and possibly some “DNR” in-the-know guys as well……..When/where was this meeting posted to the public?

    I want to know when the next meeting is, for I would like to attend to become further educated on what is occuring in Zone 3.

    Anyone want to pipe in and place the information here?

    packingheat
    Reads Landing Mn
    Posts: 696
    #49939

    Gary, this is what I was wondering why wasn’t the public invited to this meeting?

    Is the MN DNR funded by us the public?

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #49951

    Gary I will get the info for you and post it here.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #49955

    Thanks Steve!
    I just hope the decision makers are smart enough, if they make this a regulation, to take it area-by-area, and not the whole zone.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think the young bucks should be protected. I get more enjoyment out of watching a young buck trying to be tough then going to the local watering hole to brag that “I got my buck”.
    My concern is that zone 3 is big and is very different from north-south, east-west. I also have large concern that this will protect inferior bucks, as over the past 10 years, we have harvested 3 “serious” mutants that would not qualify under “one antler having atlest 4 points”.

    I want to learn more about this.

    perchhead
    Posts: 329
    #50622

    This idea stinks glad we do not hunt around genoa any more my last season down in zone three I counted 27 does and fawns come by stand. I personally think people like Micheal Seive should go back where they came from which is colorado and take Lou Cornicelli with you all these 2 have done is mess with alot of family traditions and the deer hunting. And by the way there are plenty of big bucks 8pts or better I just dont think deer seasons should be decided by a bunch of elitist snobs.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #50980

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    I just dont think deer seasons should be decided by a bunch of elitist snobs.


    Perchhead – I certainly respect and understand that you are not in favor of antler restrictions. I hope you respect and understand that others have differnt view points. Calling people elitist snobs is not really necessary simply because they have a different viewpoint than you. Let’s be respectful towards all hunters and work together on a solution.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #50982

    Gary I did not forget about you I am still working on getting you some answers, I should be talking to someone from the Bluffland board in a day or two.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #50983

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    Regardless of what happens, lets all respect one another. At least we still get to hunt! I like the QDMA guys a heck of a lot better then the PETA guys and I dont know either of them.


    Very well said Justin

    Scott Mueller
    Coon Rapids, MN
    Posts: 125
    #51011

    Exactly this idea is not QDM !

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #51022

    Ok Gary I have some info for you, I talked to one of the BWA board members tonight and learned some things that I did not know myself. First of all I want members here to know that I am a BWA member but I have not been an active members due to other commitments but that is going to change now and I am going to start attending meetings this month so I can be more informed on the facts. The meetings are the third Wednesday of each month held at the Pope & Young Club in Chatfield, MN. If you do go to a meeting you should try and go early and get a tour of the Pope & Young Club it is quite impressive. OK back to the topic at hand first of all BWA does not support Antler-point restrictions this is being pushed by the DNR, two states that have Antler-point restrictions are PA & MO.

    PA was so successful with it that MO followed suit. When it was first introduced in MO it was only accepted by 45% of the hunters, after the first year it was accepted by 70% of the hunters, by the second year it was accepted by 80% of the hunters, after two years they added 19 more counties to the program.

    So what does BWA support, first and most importantly BWA does not want to take away hunting opportunities from anyone but does want to find ways to protect the young bucks. BWA believes the following three points will protect young bucks better than Antler-point restrictions.

    First BWA supports the banning of shinning.

    Second BWA supports doing away with cross tagging of bucks in other words doing away with party hunting for bucks, you would still be able to party hunt for does.

    Third and this is the one that is most controversial BWA believes that the best way to protect young bucks is to move the gun season out of the peak rut.

    For those who say that BWA is a group of die hard bow hunters who want to have the rut all to themselves that is simply not true, two out of the ten board members are die hard bow hunters the remaining 8 are gun hunters.

    As for public meetings as far as I know there will not be any more meetings but there will be a survey coming out for Antler-point restrictions, I am not sure how they pick who will get the survey. I will see if I can dig up the DNR Roundtable Summary.

    Antler-point restrictions is not a done deal by any means If it does happen I dought that we will see it happen in 2010, if it does pass it probably will not happen until 2011.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #51023

    Steve I can see one other thing that would help too. Does southern Minnesota have a rifle season, what I mean is it legal to use a rifle to hunt deer during the regular deer gun season. Im not advocating it first off. I’m pretty sure Pennsylvania has a rifle season and I know Missouri does. In southern Iowa they allow deer hunting for a specified time on does only to cull the doe population, befor this they didn’t and the doe population exploded into huge herds often over 100 per herd. To stableize it and bring the numbers back down to keep the herd healthy they opened a rifle season so that shows its a way more effective way to hunt deer, especially with a scope. With shotgun a 75 to 100 yrd shot is probably the norm.
    In Pennsylvania and Missouri opting to change the rifle season to shotgun wasen’t a good idea because everybody probably used a rifle and shotgun would be considered out of the question. So a rifle is a way more effective way to take a deer.
    Shineing here in Iowa is legal but it has to be done with absolutely no weapons in the auto. Too much poaching goes right along with shineing. They convicted a guy here with a jury trial of useing a tire iron to kill deer, maybe he was but I suspect he was a know poacher or the DNR had good reason to believe he was poaching then or had in the past. If your going to shine here in Iowa make sure you don’t have anything in the front of your car or truck that could be used to kill a deer. Taking shineing out of the picture would probably take the immediate desire to shoot a deer after dark out of the picture too, atleast for awhile.
    Moving the hunting season out of the rut would atleast protect the smaller bucks that would breed a doe that year and move it back after they have bred atleast a couple.
    To me party hunting for does only is probably the most effective way to bring the buck populaion up and is probably the one way that is going to be the hardest to accept but will have immediate results, after the buck counts go back up maybe they could open the buck season again for party hunting.

    If you want to find out how many doe/bucks were taken last year go to the Ia dnr website and look at how many bucks were reported taken last year, there were more bucks taken then does and the year befor too. If the buck population was brought back up to where it should be for a couple years they would probably open party hunting back up for younger bucks or bucks of any age.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #51025

    Quote:


    Does southern Minnesota have a rifle season


    No only up north, southern MN never has and never will have a rifle season the farms and housing developments are too close together.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #51030

    Here is the Roundtable Summary, this summary is from Ted Wawrzyniak with QDMA so his view points are from their perspective and not neccesarilly the views of BWA.

    2009 DNR Roundtable Summary

    The 2009 DNR roundtable should be considered a milestone for those groups supporting Quality Deer Management (QDM). We went in only knowing that the DNR had dedicated a majority of their time to the future of deer management. Presentations were given by Kip Adams (QDMA), Phil Costigan (Bluffland Whitetails), Tony Kuehn (MN Bowhunters), and Joe Canella (MDHA). A common ground that seemed to be shared was that we should encourage an improved buck to doe ratio and a balanced age structure. Here are the basic issues that came out of the discussion.

    1. Elimination of buck party hunting (cross-tagging). This was something that all groups agreed on and it is possible that this is something that could be done as early as the 2009 season.

    2. Moving the season out of the rut. This would mean setting the season back one or two weeks. This obviously becomes more of an issue as you go north. The groups could agree that this is something that could be done as early as the 2009 season in the south, but because this is a social issue, we might need to do some education first. We certainly need to see how the hunters in the northern region would react to this before moving the season there. This seems like it would be extremely effective at saving young bucks and this might be one of those sacrifices we need to make.

    3. Protection of young bucks through harvest restriction. All groups could agree that this is how we achieve the objective of improving the age structure, but we differed on how to achieve this. The one exception was that MBI did not take a clear stand on this issue. Bluffland and QDMA were clearly in favor of mandating the protection of bucks through regulations. MDHA was more supportive of this than they were in the past, however, they continued to take the stance that they would like to see this done on a voluntary basis. Kip Adams did an excellent job in bringing up the issue that unless something is mandated, young buck protection rarely happens and in all cases that hunter buck restriction has been successful, the state agency has taken a strong leadership position in leading the state towards acceptance of this management strategy. He pointed out that 22 states have adopted some sort of antler restriction and pointed out the weakness of some of the old data and also pointed to the new data that suggests some very positive outcomes. One point that was raised is that while a restriction that protects most yearling bucks would not by itself create a balanced age structure, the theory that seems to be in effect in other areas is that 2 ½ year old bucks are much smarter and learn to avoid hunters. In addition to that, we feel that the voluntary part of buck restriction is what many hunters would decide to do above and beyond what is mandated. We feel that this combination gives hunters the initial push and allows those interested in seeing bigger bucks the opportunity to jump start their program. In addition, those who don’t wish to wait for that trophy, will still benefit by seeing larger bucks. In any case, these two forces at work will create a situation in which we use a hybrid of regulation and volunteerism to make all hunters ultimately more satisfied with the hunt.

    4. The need to consider each region separately. Due to the diversity of habitat in Minnesota, it will be essential that we look at each region carefully to determine what is both socially acceptable and what is biologically possible. Kip pointed out that if we are to sustain this type of management long term, we need to have a majority of hunters accept the new management strategy. Again, the leadership of the DNR will be needed, but all groups (including MDHA) were on board with helping to educate the hunters of the state and get them on board with the new vision.

    Part of the regional issues will include modification of zoning, which I know some of you are very passionate about.

    Additional messages

    One theme that the QDM organizations pushed was that we were demanding that the DNR exercise some leadership instead of relying on the various interest groups to do this. The DNR is ultimately who is going to need to lead this push in gaining the acceptance of this issue that the clear majority of hunters want (according to recent surveys). The DNR is then going to need to manage the change of hunter paradigms. The interest groups acknowledged the fact that they must act in a supporting role in all of this.

    While there was one particular DNR leader that was having trouble seeing a common ground among the groups, the other three seemed to see the common ground. In any case, it will be ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL that we come across as a unified force at this time if we are to achieve our objectives. I cannot emphasize this enough! This is no time to squabble over little things. We must all get together and move forward with the broad picture in mind and put aside personal agendas.

    For those of you who have followed some of my recent work, I have been quite critical of MDHA. I was however, quite impressed with their approach this past weekend. Of course we will see if they follow through with action. Joe Canella seems to be a real good guy and I even sat down with Mark Johnson to have a one-on-one conversation with him. I think we are closer to seeing eye to eye. He is interested in publishing some articles from Kip Adams in upcoming issues of their publication, “Whitetales”. If they start to do this, I would recommend that we begin supporting their organization once again. Stay posted!

    As you can see, this past roundtable was extremely effective for us. I think this really boils down to a couple things. The first and foremost was the efforts of people like Clyde and Annette Stephens as well as Rodney Tollefson in addition to those who supported the early QDMA branch and MN QDM organization through donations, memberships, and volunteering. For those of you who do not remember, it was the proposed five county antler point restriction bill that was proposed that led to the creation of the state park studies that Marrett Grund is currently conducting. We all went to the capital to testify before the environment committee during the 2004 legislative session. After some debate, it was determined that we would compromise and conduct the state park studies rather than implement the restrictions. During the conversations at the roundtable, it was mentioned that this very data is what makes them comfortable with moving forward. Without the data, we would be set back a minimum of five years! In talking to Marrett, he indicated that the data so far is mimicking that of the data he collected before Pennsylvania implemented APR’s. He said that this is the exact process he went through to push those through at that time and seemed positive that this data would help prove that we will have a similar success here in Minnesota! This is great news for QDM in Minnesota!

    The second reason for our success was the presence of Kip Adams. Kip was a true professional and it was impressive to watch the respect that he garnered from all groups, including the DNR. Kip was very professional. His presentation and response to questions was extremely well though out (although Phil Costigan of Bluffland was a close second). Certainly, the recent rise in QDMA membership and number of branches made this possible. QDMA membership in Minnesota grew by 81% in 2008! This is exactly what we need to continue to maintain this momentum! I honestly believe that we would have not achieved what we did without Kip present.

    Of course the work of others set the table, which included groups like Bluffland and others who have been very persistent in putting constant pressure on the DNR and doing so in a very professional way.

    Other things that were discussed were the importance of Wildlife Management Areas (WMA) in creating access to the public for hunting purposes. As a group, we should get involved in assisting the DNR with these efforts. We did discuss the lead ammunition ban briefly as well. You will comforted to know that several groups are working very intensely on this issue and feel good that this issue will be defeated. You can help by letting your local legislators know how you feel about this issue. We also talked about the new Outdoor Heritage Fund and we made some contacts so that we can possibly be in line for money that might come through to fund potential Q DM friendly projects. Rest assured that you QDM leaders will represent you on that council.

    Where do we go from here?

    The groups have all agreed to meet on a regular basis to strategize on how we help the DNR lead these efforts. The first meeting will be held in the next few months to discuss buck management issues specifically. It will deal with mostly the SE population, but I suspect we will be able to take things out of there that we can apply statewide. The DNR would like to set up experiment zones where we can test and gather data on the various buck restriction methods mentioned here. They have yet to determine what zones are the test areas, but hopefully, they will pick zones within each region. In any case, this will be combined with extensive education efforts to help the hunters of those zones to better understand what they are being asked to do and what the results will be. This will be needed to get those individuals to buy into the vision and except the change.

    So to reiterate, this is a major milestone in deer management! The DNR Fish and Wildlife Director, Dave Schad said that the DNR is ready to begin steering deer management in a new direction. He also agreed as reported in the Pioneer Press that this is a the biggest change in 30 years in regards to deer management.

    The important message to take from this is that this is certainly not the time to let up! In fact, this is when our efforts will finally start to show immediate and drastic improvement. Many have laid the groundwork, but now is when we need your help! You can help by joining organizations like QDMA and Bluffland Whitetails. I would also encourage attending their banquets. Even more important, we need you to spread the work about the merits of QDM. Anyone interested in speaking to individuals and groups, please let me know. We can help give you the tools needed. If anyone is interested in starting a QDMA branch or MN QDM cooperative, this will go a long way in promoting QDM in MN. Please gather email addresses for me. I would like to send out email updates to as many MN hunters as I can. Please send me the email for anyone who you think should be on that list.

    On a personal note, I feel that the NW area does not have enough representation. QDMA membership will help, but I need to hear form those of you in the NW to develop a strategy to make sure those hunters get equal representation and pilot projects in that area.

    Of course there were some other issues discussed as well, but I will leave it at that for now. I cannot stress how important this time is for those of us who support QDM. If you used to be involved and have pulled back, it’s time to rally. If you have not been involved before, we really need you more than ever. Even if you can give an hour a week or even and hour per month, we will take your contributions.

    Please do not hesitate to email me or call me with questions. My information is below.

    Sincerely,

    Ted Wawrzyniak

    612-282-2431

    [email protected]

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
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    Bluffland Whitetails Association organized the gathering of top Department of Natural Resources wildlife managers, deer-hunter groups and experts from three other states.


    Since there are BWA guys on this site, and possibly some “DNR” in-the-know guys as well……..When/where was this meeting posted to the public?

    I want to know when the next meeting is, for I would like to attend to become further educated on what is occuring in Zone 3.

    Anyone want to pipe in and place the information here?


    Here is the info you asked for Gary.

    MEETING DATES AND LOCATIONS
    Unless noted, the following meetings will be from 7-9 p.m.

    Feb. 23: Frontenac Sportsman’s Club, 30301 Territorial Road, Frontenac

    Feb. 25: Houston Community Center, 109 West Maple Street, Houston

    March 4: Initiative Foundation, 405 First Street Southeast, Little Falls

    March 4: Waseca Area Senior Citizen’s Center, 308 State Street N, Waseca

    March 9: LaQuinta Inn & Suites, 1625 Broadway, Rochester

    March 9: Kilowatt Community Center, 600 Kilowatt Drive, Granite Falls, 6:30- 8:30 p.m.

    March 11: DNR Headquarters cafeteria, 500 Lafayette Road, St. Paul

    March 16: Spring Lake Town Hall Community Center, 20381 Fairlawn Avenue, Prior Lake

    March 16 (6:30-9:30 p.m.): Hinckley-Finlayson High School board room, 201 Main Street, Hinckley

    March 17 (6-9 p.m.): Rainy River Community College room H118, International Falls

    The location, time and date of meetings in northwest and southwest Minnesota will be announced once meetings are scheduled.

    Those who can’t attend the meetings may submit comments via e-mail [email protected] or mail written comments to: Season Comments, DNR Section of Wildlife, 500 Lafayette Road, St. Paul, MN, 55155-4007.

    News Releae

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