Advice on use of Mock Scrapes/Scents

  • #199846

    Hey guys,

    I have a quick question for some of you who have tried the mock scrape/scent thing in the past… I have the opportunity to hunt a piece of property on Nov 2-4th, and am considering creating a mock scrape or laying out some doe pee (both of which i’m always a little wary about using) Here’s my thinking on this one..

    I had a 140″ 3 1/2yr old come in on me last tuesday, but was only able to harvest does during that hunt, and had to let him pass at 15yds Since then, I found that 3 other hunters were hunting very close to me and feel that I will not get a good opportunity at this buck again from where I was sitting previously.

    My plan is to move out of this bucks core area and place a stand in an area that recieves significantly less hunting pressure approximately 500yds away. I guess my real question is, should I hunt the travel cooridors next to doe bedding areas without any uses of scents/man made scrapes, or do I create a little something extra in the area to entice him or something bigger???

    muskyman
    Arkansaw, Wisconsin
    Posts: 945
    #40611

    A scrape is something I would be hunting close to, right now. As far as during the rut I would be on the downwind side of a known doe hiding spot/bedding area. Some of the thickest cover you have on your property is where alot of does hide to give an unwanted buck the slip. I have seen many bucks in a day “trolling” the downwind side trying to find a hot doe. My personal favorite spot to hunt is a creek bottom. Most are basically a big long funnel, and does love to to hide in them, and therefore alot of bucks going crazy trying to find love.

    As far as the scent thing goes, I personally haven’t had anything but bad experiences with scents. If I were to use anything during the rut/prerut it would be a buck decoy.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #40615

    Too come up with a solid solution is a tough one that will forsure work. Sometimes a 500 yrd move is out of thier normal path if they hardly ever go that direction. If I was in your situation and if I knew where he was rubbing and scrapeing and if its close to a feeding and drinking area Id hunt there. If theres trails coming from where he lays up every day that tie any of those areas together to me thats even better. Right now thier scrapeing and rubbing but at what time of day. Thier going to be searching for does soon but I think most of thier activity is focused around scraping and rubbing right now.

    Your place sounds familiar to where im hunting. The bedding area is seperate from the food sources and where the bucks are laying up during the day. They need to drink daily and they visit the scrapes that are being made so if you could find a place close by where they do both that would be good. If you could find a trail(s) that lead from his bedding area to where the scrapes and rubbs are I think that would be a good area. Adding a new scrape in his area might bring him in to check out whos new is his part of the woods. A scrapes a good idea if its along a trail that he uses to go between a drinking or commonly used feeding area and when they get into the serious scrapeing mode right befor the does come into heat.

    Down here in Iowa right befor the does come in heat the scrapes have gone from a foot wide to 10 feet wide in some places as the pre rut intensifies. Bringing them to a place by putting a mock scrape down is a good idea and Id also look for any scrapes that are being worked more then others, id hunt that area too. Id watch what scrapes where doing what close by where he lays up if I could get in that place without him senseing I might be there. If I were getting close to him Id make sure my boots had coon or coyote urin on them and id try not to make any noise and take my time even walking slowly and takeing all day to make a two hour walk, you can never tell what might come walking by and you notice them befor they notice you.

    You can always hang a doe pee rag from a bush when thier coming into heat but here its way to early, the farmers are saying the plantings behind 3 weeks to a month and the scrape activity just began a couple weeks ago and it isn’t hot and heavy yet, infact I think its a little behind with a ways to go. Maybe two weeks from now it will be. Im waiting until thier really scrapeing and tearing up the ground, to me thats when they are ready to search hard for does and check alot of scrapes at the same time. Right now making a mock scrape along a trail you think he may use may bring him to you. If I was going 500 yrds away Id make the scrape in an area where the wind blows his direction so he can smell it if hes going to and id freshen it up as much as I could to tell him that theres another buck visiting his area regularily. Forgot to mention too that when thier chasing does thier still revisiting scrapes and scrapeing then too. Good luck!

    #40617

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    As far as the scent thing goes, I personally haven’t had anything but bad experiences with scents.


    Same here. Lately I’ve veered away from factory made scents, and have tried to be in the right place for the certain phase of rut and let nature take it’s course.

    Of course this spot does have me a little undecided as we speak, simply because this is one of the few spots ive hunted lately that has a decent buck to doe ratio and I think the right combo I could pull it off, whatever that combo may be.

    newtson
    Minnesota
    Posts: 87
    #40624

    I made a mock scrap this weekend and had two does pass by it down wind and they stopped and turned around and sniffed around it for awhile…too bad they didn’t have a 150 inches of antler on their head!

    #40629

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    If I was in your situation and if I knew where he was rubbing and scrapeing and if its close to a feeding and drinking area Id hunt there. If theres trails coming from where he lays up every day that tie any of those areas together to me thats even better.


    This is exactly where I saw him…The spot was PERFECT. The only problem was the other guy that keeps setting up his climber up in a tree 30 yds upwind from me, and the other guy thats 100yds away from me in the other direction. Between the two, I’m getting cut off pretty good, and I’m pretty confident that that deer will get bumped out of his core area one that hunt starts….Thats why im looking to make the move.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #40637

    I understand better now. Do you know if he ever goes the direction of that spot your thinking of moving. Even if he dosen’t go there often he might go there more if you do put down a mock scrape, freshening it up as much as I could. Heres an technique that works and thats hunting from the ground or from your stand and taking an antler and rubbing it back and forth on a limb like another bucks rubbing a small tree or sapling. When I hunt from the ground or just walking through and want to find out if theres anything around I find a cover spot and take an antler and rub it up and down a small tree or sapling and give it an hour befor moving. Bucks do and will come check it out if they hear it, not always but they will. A deer will easily hear another buck rubbing a tree 500 yrds away with a light wind or no wind, if the winds stronger and its going to him he will hear it then too but not going away from. It would be better if you could slip in befor dawn after finding a good spot then a little befor sunrise start rubbing a limb from your stand or hunt from the ground if the winds right. If you do get him to come off his bedding spot he will circle the area to wind the buck making the rubb if he can’t see it, maybe you could get a shot at him then. Even if you don’t want to mock a rub, a scrape might make him come visit that spot more and just wait him out. Rubbing from a tree stand next to a scrape especially if theres other rubs around and softly grunting at the same time may pull him in. This spots that 500 yrds away is there a fenceline or any cover where he could walk that, coming to a mock scrape, they will move easier when they can walk closer to cover. Even a brushy growth area he could pass through to get to that scrape or escape too. Its worth a try. Good luck!

    #40644

    I think i’m gonna try and approach by setting up down wind of a well known doe bedding areas and wait it out.

    With that said, I think im gonna experiment a little with a couple mock scrapes and a maybe a rub or two..I should mention that this is not the dominant buck in this area. There are at least a half dozen shooters within a half mile of this area. I will be hunting his area from Nov 2-4th, and the chase phase should be in full swing, so the chances of a good buck cruising by a bedding area should be good.

    protourbaits
    stillwater, MN
    Posts: 2466
    #40658

    It wouldn’t be a bad idea to sit all day either!! If there are that many shooters in that area, your chances are pretty good to see one of them!! Just pray that those other guys don’t mess it up for ya

    #40666

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    It wouldn’t be a bad idea to sit all day either!! If there are that many shooters in that area, your chances are pretty good to see one of them!! Just pray that those other guys don’t mess it up for ya


    All day sits are in the game plan You’re right on that..with the quality of bucks in this area, I would be a fool to leave my stand during daylight. Hopefully by moving to another area, I will avoid any/all pressure and have a spot to myself

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #40682

    Id put those mock scrapes down as soon as possible too, maybe even hang a drip bottle over both of them at a height a buck dosen’t notice. Down here a couple guys I know that are good bowhunters have told me they use “Tinks 69” and they say it works. Its an old scent thats been around for along time. If theres that many shooters in that area Id put a couple scrapes down, scent them good and hang a stand and wait it out. With that many other guys around one of them is bound to maybe make a mistake and they will be discovered. Hunting a complete new area is a good idea and the way to go. If you could make those guys think you’ve completely moved out of the area all the better for you. If thier the kind of hunters that sit right on top of eachother its better that you do move because if one of them make a mistake it ruins it for everybody. Good luck and let us know how the move went and what its doing.

    #40689

    There not the most careful couple guys thats for sure and one of the other reasons why I don’t plan on sitting there…Its a special permit hunt, so these guys know who I am, but will not know I am moving away from them.

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