Bravo to Midwesthunter for setting it straight.AND TO THOSE OF YOU WHO CAN LOOK AT A FEW PICTURES AND GUESS THE GROSS SCORE.I think youre all wet. You dont even know any dimensions such as spread in inches or what the single most longest tine is so why do you think you can predict the gross score ? 
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Bravo to Midwesthunter for setting it straight.AND TO THOSE OF YOU WHO CAN LOOK AT A FEW PICTURES AND GUESS THE GROSS SCORE.I think youre all wet. You dont even know any dimensions such as spread in inches or what the single most longest tine is so why do you think you can predict the gross score ?
Matt, I guess for me why I try to guess a deer’s gross score is for my own benefit. Each and every decent buck that walks by I try to score him. I have a certain criteria I try to set and achieve on a buck I harvest. So being able to accurately score a deer on the live hoof is very important to me. Off of the few pics I saw, I was 5-15″ inches off on a gross 230 inch deer, not to bad IMO. I also believe I might have been a 1/2 inch off the spread measurement. I don’t see that as being that bad either. I never meant to be little the deer or the hunter and if anything I praised both numerous times.. I was just simply trying to score it off the few pics I seen. I find this skill a very big asset in the field. 
Lastly, I think you are wrong, with some practice you can come pretty close/not exact but close to scoring a deer on the hoof or from some pictures. For those that know me here, know that I’m usually pretty close in the ball park on my guesses and remember those are just that, GUESSES.
Guessing or speculating a deer’s score based on a picture or a set of pictures isn’t a bad thing. We all do it and sometimes we are close and sometimes we are way off. That’s just the way it is.
It’s sometimes the commentary that follows up the speculation is what gets me. From what I’ve seen on here, everything is pretty much on the level in regards to the commentary. It’s what I’ve read elsewhere that has me a little PO’ed. Sometimes guys(internet cowboys) need to show some restraint and keep their mouths shut.
By far the smartest thing the shooter did the morning of recovery was to get a sheriff and a local CO out there to verify the deer and the kill site. Rumors I’m sure will fly at some point if they haven’t already. But there are at least two unattached officials there to verify it all to dispel anything that might arise down the road.
would dunn be an internet cowboy?? 
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would dunn be an internet cowboy??
Thanks agian MWH. If there is any other news you can give us please chime in once it is avaiable! I know we all would like to hear the real story on this “Legend Deer” !
I just saw the the 2nd batch of photo’s and WOW what a pig. That pic looking down on the rack is awesome. What a deer. Who cares what that thing scores it is an awesome deer.
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It’s sometimes the commentary that follows up the speculation is what gets me.
I hear ya there. Any nice buck shot is immediately followed by rumors of horrible things that take the fun and air right out of it by guys that are probably just jealous, so they feel the need to bring another Hunter down. 
I will add that if that is indeed the arrow sticking out of the deer in the pics, you should check out the deer anotomy post and make your own conclusions. I will keep mine to myself!
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Ok fellas….from what I’ve seen on here is about the same as I’ve seen on many other sites. I’m here if you need anything cleared up. The shooter is a good buddy of mine.
The buck is OFFICIALLY P&Y green scored at 230 5/8″. If that’s a score you don’t want to believe, well then that’s what it is. The NET non-typ score is far above the 180-190 range some have guessed, but I’m not at liberty to say what it is.
To the gentleman above who is questioning the shot placement, the arrow IS NOT sticking out of the hide quarter. The shot was hard quartering away, the shooter stuck the arrow in right around the last rib and the BH stuck into the off side shoulder. No matter what you may think, that’s a dead deer. But I’m sure you would have waited and only settled on a slight quartering away or broadside shot. Right?
Obviously the rack has to wait the 60 day drying period and then everything will become official. A story is being written, true age of the buck is trying to be identified, those who have history with this buck are trying to be contacted for the story, etc, etc…..
Thanks.
Just to clear the water up with ya sir….I am the LASt person who will go after someone online over shot placement after what my past 2 weeks have brought me. 
Overall was just commenting if that is where the arrow ending up hitting he hit the lottery with that being a kill shot seeing as I did not view any blood elsewhere on the deer in the picture. So kuddos to you and your buddy for your scouting and capatalizing on the BEAST when it presented itself! 
Now with that ebing cleared up….ya got any trail cam pic ya wanna show us him in velvet 
To those who are viewing the current angle of the arrow in the pics…
Do you guys honestly think that position is the original position of the arrow? Come of fellas a little imagination may help. Anything could have happened to move that arrow. 1)The buck fell on that side when it dropped. 2)The arrow could have moved when someone moved, flipped or dragged the deer. Or any other amount endless possibilities. I’ve shot deer at this angle and they’re all dead and recovered. It all comes down to your shooting ability and what your confident in. Take the shot if you can make it….let the deer walk if your not. It’s that simple.
Now with that, I did not join this website to change your mind…try to get you to believe something or anything along those lines. You will believe on your own what the buck scores, whether the shooter got “lucky” by taking the shot he did or not, etc… I joined to answer what I thought were a few questions on the subject.
I agree with the angle of the arrow but not the hole, they don’t move! Who cares it is a great deer and he found it. Congrats to him on a true Minnesota Monarch!!
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I agree with the angle of the arrow but not the hole, they don’t move!
In all of those pictures your viewing, let me know if you happen to see a DEAD 230 5/8″ buck in any of them.
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I agree with the angle of the arrow but not the hole, they don’t move!
In all of those pictures your viewing, let me know if you happen to see a DEAD 230 5/8″ buck in any of them.
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yep…he is still there it looks like
Welcome to In-Depth Outdoors MidwestHunter!!! 
Thanks for all the info on this buck and Congrats to Ben on a deer of a life time!!!
After the buck is officially scored we would love to see some of those trail cam pics you have of him. Here are some pics I received in an email.
By the way who took all the pics? they did a great job!
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Welcome to In-Depth Outdoors MidwestHunter!!!
Thanks for all the info on this buck and Congrats to Ben on a deer of a life time!!!
After the buck is officially scored we would love to see some of those trail cam pics you have of him. Here are some pics I received in an email.
By the way who took all the pics? they did a great job!
There are a few pics posted in our Trail Cam section and I believe that more will be posted this week.
Whatta PIG Nice deer for sure. In my opinion, looks like an almost quartering away shot, that was placed 3″ too far rearward. A difficult shot, but doable as proven by the pictures 
big G 
Here is the link to the news story on the “HOKAH LEGEND BUCK”.
For those who needed clarification and for those who just wanted to know….
Drying period for Ben’s buck ended last Fri and was panel scored today by 3 official P&Y/B&C scorers.
#1 MN state record
226 3/8″ net
233 5/8″ gross
192 or 197(I can’t remember which one) typ score
Thanks for the info, sorry but I am not clear on which score is the Hokah’s buck? Are you saying that he is the new state record or that he scored 192 or 197? Either way congrats to him again what an awesome buck!!!!
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Thanks for the info, sorry but I am not clear on which score is the Hokah’s buck? Are you saying that he is the new state record or that he scored 192 or 197? Either way congrats to him again what an awesome buck!!!!
All 3 scores are the Hokah buck’s.
Maybe it’s not obvious, but P&Y only goes by a net score. The buck is being scored as a non-typical. So therefore the score used in that case is 226 3/8″. The gross and typical score are just added stats for those who wanted to know them.
Pardon my ignorance, but what makes that deer a non-typical? It looks about as typical as they come…
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Yep, that’s a brute. Here are more pics!
you have to look back at this post to see all the brow tines on the backside, from the front it looks typical, but this was one awesome buck, pics of it at the DNR office in Elba, MN too. Congrats, to the hunter. 
Thanks!
Mr. Ben Spanjers, 2008 Bow kill, 310 pds, 23 points, green score 231 5/8, shot in Hokah, MN
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what makes that deer a non-typical
what we generally use at the MN Deer Classic to determine Typ or Non-Typ is: if the deer has more than 12 inches of Nontyp pts, then the deer benefits more by being scored a nontyp, if there is less than 12 inches of nontyp pts, then the deer benefits more being scored as a Typical.
Either way, if the hunter, just has to have it one way or the other, then I think it’s his call, but i’d discuss with him his optings.
Jack..
Beautiful buck! thanks for sharing
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