I am SICK of irresponsible Small Game Hunters!!

  • roxxy129
    Posts: 3
    #199454

    I am drawing the line in sand today, and saying enough is enough!! I have had it with small game hunters that have NO respect for our game regulations, NO respect for private property owners! NO respect for our natural resources! It is like the laws do not apply to them!! If we as sportsmen and women do stand up for what is right and stand up to protect our natural resources, then who will?? The DNR?? Give me a break.

    Here is what happens when you simply turn your head and ignore what is really going on the woods in SE Minnesota.

    My son Steve harvested a nice doe last night while bowhunting on the back our property. He showed great patience as he waited for the ideal shot that would ensure a quick clean kill. After several minutes of watching the doe and her fawns feed, and drink from a small pool of water, the doe finally offered the shot he was waiting for. He sent an arrow right through her vitals and she only traveled about 50 yds before quietly expiring. Steve was fired up!! As we approached the doe, it was immediately clear that something was not right with the deer. She had an open wound on her neck that had become seriously infected and was oozing green. The small entry wound on the opposite side of her neck confirmed what I already knew. She had been shot in neck with a .22 caliber. My blood boiled. I don’t think that small game hunters shot this deer, I KNOW THEY DID!! I have sat in my treestand many mornings during the early archery season and listened as small game hunters started firing volleys in the pre-dawn hours. I look around in faint light, and just like any veteran hunter, I ask,, “what are they shooting at?” It is dark! There is not a squirrel to seen, because THEY ARE STILL SLEEPING!!! I knew then, and I know now what they are shooting at, but I did not have the proof until last night. I was just sick looking at that beautiful animal that had already suffered for an entire week with her nasty wound. By taking her life, my son spared her what was sure to be a slow agonizing death in the coming days or weeks. We field dressed the deer to assess her overall health. The deer was not fit for human consumption. I notified a conservation officer and explained the situation. I asked if the DNR was investigating these types of violations, and if so if they wanted this deer as evidence in the case. The officer confirmed that the DNR is aware of these types of incidents, but did not need the deer as further evidence. It made me sick having to discard such a beautiful animal. What a waste! Clearly the criminal that did this has NO respect for wildlife, NO respect for the law, and NO respect for other hunters. Please join me by standing up today and saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH!! Here are the disgusting pictures from last night. I removed much of the infected flesh while examining her wound, so it looks much better than it was.

    Vigilance will be the key to getting control of this situation. Get the phone number for your local Conservation Officer, and when you suspect game violations, CALL THEM!!

    Last year while bowhunting one evening along the Root River, I waited as the last few minutes of the golden hour were coming to a close. It was that time when if you hear leaves rustling, you are on the edge of your seat. The turkeys have roosted, the squirrels have tucked in for the night, and the deer are on the move. All of a sudden, several rapid shots rang out from the hillside above me. It was the loud report of a 9mm or 40 caliber handgun. I saw the hunters truck parked not far from mine, with a bowcase in back. What could he possibly be shooting with a handgun at that time of night?? I stopped by the campground the next day where I saw his truck parked with a nice ten pointer hanging in the tree. The entire rib cage had been removed to the spine on both sides,, and I asked myself, why would someone do that?? I stopped to visit the hunter, and several other small game hunters that were in the camp. When I asked if he got a good hit on the great buck, he smiled and showed me a hole right in the back of deers skull. A head shot, at 40 yards he said. Why didn’t I call the DNR??? Why didn’t I report it!!! Because I couldn’t prove a thing!!! You can know in your heart what happened, but PROVING IT is all together different. TODAY IS THE DAY!! That I start being more vigilant, and will report suspected violations!! I will no longer turn a blind eye to violations, because I don’t think it will matter!! I will hold the DNR accountable for investigating suspected violations, but more importantly I will afford them the opportunity to do so!!

    Two years ago, after a very very long blood trail that ended a little after midnight when our flashlights went dark, I entered the campground near my home to ask for a ride back to the farm. I entered a small game hunter camp full of laughter and activity. The smell of burning hair and flesh filled the air. My approach startled the group and the tension in the air was very evident. I first thought that the pile in the middle of the blue tarp was ginseng roots, and a lot of them!,, But after looking more closely, I realized that I was looking at pile of squirrels that had be burned over the open flame as a method of preservation. There were at least 100 squirrels in that pile, that is a fact. There were at least ten hunters around the fire, so I told myself, dang.. they must have all limited out. The discussion was long and at times very heated between the hunters, but finally one older fellow told three of the other hunters to give me a ride. So there it was,, me in the front with the driver, and two guys in the backseat behind me. I have often wondered if they were packing heat. Uh… yea. Anyway, Why didn’t I report it to the DNR!! Why didn’t I report it!!! Because they did give me a ride, and they know where I live, and I told myself, if I see that next year , I am going to report it. Today is the day. The line has been drawn. Join me, and stand up for what is right. Call your conservation officer and tell them to get out of the truck, and get into the woods. Tell them that violators don’t put their deeds on display near the road during the day. They hide them in the woods, and operate in the middle of the night. OUR natural resources are worth protecting. They belong to all of us, and I am done letting a few no account criminals steal from you and me.

    MOTR

    “Introduce your kids to the outdoors, and they will have a friend for life!”

    col._klink
    St Paul
    Posts: 2542
    #32156

    Welcome to IDA Muscle on the ridge!

    Sorry to hear about your sons experience. I wish it could have been different. He learned a huge life lesson that day.

    And congrats to him a on great doe kill!

    I think you will be pleased that here on IDA there are some of the finest sportsmen and women around

    There is alot of talk here about TIP I can attest to the importance of calling the shots as you see them. Program that number in your cell 1-800-652-9093 MN DNR NEWS RELEASE

    col._klink
    St Paul
    Posts: 2542
    #610612

    Welcome to IDA Muscle on the ridge!

    Sorry to hear about your sons experience. I wish it could have been different. He learned a huge life lesson that day.

    And congrats to him a on great doe kill!

    I think you will be pleased that here on IDA there are some of the finest sportsmen and women around

    There is alot of talk here about TIP I can attest to the importance of calling the shots as you see them. Program that number in your cell 1-800-652-9093 MN DNR NEWS RELEASE

    buck-slayer
    Posts: 1499
    #32160

    My bosses son shot a dandy buck last Sunday only to have the taxidermist call and inform him that it had a fresh 22 bullet in its nose.Shining in WI is legal and alot of fun to do but I can see it being illegal not to far down the road.

    buck-slayer
    Posts: 1499
    #610626

    My bosses son shot a dandy buck last Sunday only to have the taxidermist call and inform him that it had a fresh 22 bullet in its nose.Shining in WI is legal and alot of fun to do but I can see it being illegal not to far down the road.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #32157

    Welcome to In-Depth Outdoors MuscleOnTheRidge!!!

    Sorry but I had to edit your first post, if you link out to photos on photobucket be sure that they are no wider than 450 pixels or you will stretch the page here on the site.

    Using the photo upload system here on the site is FAR easier and quicker than using photobucket or other photo hosting sites. The other nice thing about uploading photos to the IDA server is that they’ll always be part of the post you added them to. If you browse old threads you’ll find nearly all photos added using a hosting site are missing… so the posts that are loaded with all those red “X’s” indicating a missing file.

    If you like you can go back and edit your post and repost your pics using the photo upload system here on the site.

    Tell your Son Steve (That’s a great name by the way ) congrats on that fine doe he took from all of us here at IDO!!! Did he still have to use his tag or did the DNR issue him a special one under the circumstances?

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #610613

    Welcome to In-Depth Outdoors MuscleOnTheRidge!!!

    Sorry but I had to edit your first post, if you link out to photos on photobucket be sure that they are no wider than 450 pixels or you will stretch the page here on the site.

    Using the photo upload system here on the site is FAR easier and quicker than using photobucket or other photo hosting sites. The other nice thing about uploading photos to the IDA server is that they’ll always be part of the post you added them to. If you browse old threads you’ll find nearly all photos added using a hosting site are missing… so the posts that are loaded with all those red “X’s” indicating a missing file.

    If you like you can go back and edit your post and repost your pics using the photo upload system here on the site.

    Tell your Son Steve (That’s a great name by the way ) congrats on that fine doe he took from all of us here at IDO!!! Did he still have to use his tag or did the DNR issue him a special one under the circumstances?

    waterfowler99
    Midwest
    Posts: 1514
    #32162

    “I am SICK of irresponsible Small Game Hunters”

    How can you say with such certainty that it was a small game hunter? I have heard many reports of poachers using 22 caliber guns to shoot at night w/ aid of lights because of the quietness of the gun. I wouldn’t just come out and say that ALL small game hunters are irresponsible…Just a thought WF

    waterfowler99
    Midwest
    Posts: 1514
    #610631

    “I am SICK of irresponsible Small Game Hunters”

    How can you say with such certainty that it was a small game hunter? I have heard many reports of poachers using 22 caliber guns to shoot at night w/ aid of lights because of the quietness of the gun. I wouldn’t just come out and say that ALL small game hunters are irresponsible…Just a thought WF

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #32166

    He wasnt poking at all small game hunters, but he was attacking the irresponsable ones… and I really agree. Ive been in some bad situations in my life too with one group running 4 wheelers across a field in fallow(tall growth) with passengers on the front rack shooting at tweety birds… they didnt know I was out there, and my partner ended up getting peppered with bird shot before we could get their attention bow hunting on this PRIVATE PROPERTY field that they had no permission to be on.

    I agree there is a problem with irresponsable hunters.. small game, all types of hunters that partake in foolish acts. Shooting at grouse with a 30-06 isnt ok in my book either.

    Unfortunately, along witht he irresponsable hunters, we also have a serious issues with poachers. There are poachers in most areas. There is no guarantee the shot in question here came from a small game hunter, it may have been any area opportunist.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #610654

    He wasnt poking at all small game hunters, but he was attacking the irresponsable ones… and I really agree. Ive been in some bad situations in my life too with one group running 4 wheelers across a field in fallow(tall growth) with passengers on the front rack shooting at tweety birds… they didnt know I was out there, and my partner ended up getting peppered with bird shot before we could get their attention bow hunting on this PRIVATE PROPERTY field that they had no permission to be on.

    I agree there is a problem with irresponsable hunters.. small game, all types of hunters that partake in foolish acts. Shooting at grouse with a 30-06 isnt ok in my book either.

    Unfortunately, along witht he irresponsable hunters, we also have a serious issues with poachers. There are poachers in most areas. There is no guarantee the shot in question here came from a small game hunter, it may have been any area opportunist.

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #32170

    Not to sound negative but I have noticed the same thing. I will not bowhunt on public land around the cities anymore. I am sick of sitting in the treestand and hearing a couple hundred rounds of small arms fire. What the he** are they shooting at? I am very disappointed to see it working it’s way north too. I hunt 100 miles north of the cities and the past three years has been terrible. Me and my uncle were hanging a few stands and we hear rapid fire 10-15 shots and then a break and then 15 minutes later the same thing. This went on for a hour and a half. They finally came by us as we were just getting done and they almost ran away from us, and I mean fast. If they had to take off so fast, they had to know they were doing something wrong. This is a huge safety concern. All that lead flying it is only time before someone gets shot. I know in the regulations book it says no trap shooting or target shooting on public land. So the big question is what is the difference between trap/target shooting and 5 guys emptying their guns on one squirrel? I have to say that 99% perecnt of small game hunters are ethical and follow the reg’s to the T. Without sounding prejudice I have only witnessed a certain group of hunters, hunting like this. And yes I have contacted the local CO but by the time he gets out there they are so far back in the woods or totally gone. We have seen some awefull things in their camps to. We found a dead fawn with just the back straps cut out, and then drug into the woods right behind they tents. The DNR has to figure out a way to educate all new hunters to not destroy every last thing on public grounds or all the public land we have will just be waste lands with nothing daring to enter it, including sportsmen and women.

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #610664

    Not to sound negative but I have noticed the same thing. I will not bowhunt on public land around the cities anymore. I am sick of sitting in the treestand and hearing a couple hundred rounds of small arms fire. What the he** are they shooting at? I am very disappointed to see it working it’s way north too. I hunt 100 miles north of the cities and the past three years has been terrible. Me and my uncle were hanging a few stands and we hear rapid fire 10-15 shots and then a break and then 15 minutes later the same thing. This went on for a hour and a half. They finally came by us as we were just getting done and they almost ran away from us, and I mean fast. If they had to take off so fast, they had to know they were doing something wrong. This is a huge safety concern. All that lead flying it is only time before someone gets shot. I know in the regulations book it says no trap shooting or target shooting on public land. So the big question is what is the difference between trap/target shooting and 5 guys emptying their guns on one squirrel? I have to say that 99% perecnt of small game hunters are ethical and follow the reg’s to the T. Without sounding prejudice I have only witnessed a certain group of hunters, hunting like this. And yes I have contacted the local CO but by the time he gets out there they are so far back in the woods or totally gone. We have seen some awefull things in their camps to. We found a dead fawn with just the back straps cut out, and then drug into the woods right behind they tents. The DNR has to figure out a way to educate all new hunters to not destroy every last thing on public grounds or all the public land we have will just be waste lands with nothing daring to enter it, including sportsmen and women.

    witte
    West Salem, WI
    Posts: 428
    #32173

    I’m with ya! I will call this year. I should’ve called last year in regards to this. Are permanent stands legal on public hunting land if the stand is made up of sticks and logs from the forest floor? I found a couple of these in the Reno area of SE MN during the first gun season. Whether they are or not, the disturbing part was the trail from the road to the stands. Trees were hatcheted every 5 ft…I’m not exaggerating…from the road to the stand. They were small trees so I would guess they killed most of them for hundreds of yards. Total disrespect and disregard for the outdoors and natural resources. Would the DNR try to catch someone in the stand if I’d called? I don’t know, but someone should be help accountable.

    witte
    West Salem, WI
    Posts: 428
    #610667

    I’m with ya! I will call this year. I should’ve called last year in regards to this. Are permanent stands legal on public hunting land if the stand is made up of sticks and logs from the forest floor? I found a couple of these in the Reno area of SE MN during the first gun season. Whether they are or not, the disturbing part was the trail from the road to the stands. Trees were hatcheted every 5 ft…I’m not exaggerating…from the road to the stand. They were small trees so I would guess they killed most of them for hundreds of yards. Total disrespect and disregard for the outdoors and natural resources. Would the DNR try to catch someone in the stand if I’d called? I don’t know, but someone should be help accountable.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #32175

    Someone who has “NO respect for our game regulations, NO respect for private property owners! NO respect for our natural resources!” are not hunters lets get the name right these kind of folks are not hunters they are SLOBS!

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #610669

    Someone who has “NO respect for our game regulations, NO respect for private property owners! NO respect for our natural resources!” are not hunters lets get the name right these kind of folks are not hunters they are SLOBS!

    adloos
    Winona, MN
    Posts: 344
    #32176

    I uploaded the pic for you MuscleOntheRidge.

    adloos
    Winona, MN
    Posts: 344
    #610672

    I uploaded the pic for you MuscleOntheRidge.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #32064

    I have been known to “help” these sticks and strings deer stands tip over from time to time. What really burns me up is it takes some time, and then I have to carry the strings, tarps, and garbage out of the woods. But I guess there is no way I would leave the garbage lay there.

    Very interesting building patterns, never more then 100 yards from a parking space, and they cannot hold my 230 lb butt. Made for a “smaller” person. Last year we were doing a deer drive during gun season I saw 4 of them get out of a stand and run through the forest in full camo. I was nervous that something would happen to them.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #610700

    I have been known to “help” these sticks and strings deer stands tip over from time to time. What really burns me up is it takes some time, and then I have to carry the strings, tarps, and garbage out of the woods. But I guess there is no way I would leave the garbage lay there.

    Very interesting building patterns, never more then 100 yards from a parking space, and they cannot hold my 230 lb butt. Made for a “smaller” person. Last year we were doing a deer drive during gun season I saw 4 of them get out of a stand and run through the forest in full camo. I was nervous that something would happen to them.

    shayla
    Posts: 1399
    #32065

    I will be sending you a PM

    shayla
    Posts: 1399
    #610706

    I will be sending you a PM

    birddog
    Mn.
    Posts: 1957
    #32107

    Quote:


    Are permanent stands legal on public hunting land if the stand is made up of sticks and logs from the forest floor?


    Yes, that would be legal. Unless otherwise noted in the law book. What’s NOT legal is a “shelter”, roof, sides…enclosed.

    BIRDDOG

    birddog
    Mn.
    Posts: 1957
    #610721

    Quote:


    Are permanent stands legal on public hunting land if the stand is made up of sticks and logs from the forest floor?


    Yes, that would be legal. Unless otherwise noted in the law book. What’s NOT legal is a “shelter”, roof, sides…enclosed.

    BIRDDOG

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #32111

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Are permanent stands legal on public hunting land if the stand is made up of sticks and logs from the forest floor?


    Yes, that would be legal. Unless otherwise noted in the law book. What’s NOT legal is a “shelter”, roof, sides…enclosed.

    BIRDDOG


    I checked the rule book on it, and I disagree. The regs say

    “A person may not construct, occupy, or use any elevated scaffold or other elevated device for the purpose or hunting, watching, or killing wild animals, except that portable stands may be used if they are removed each day at the close of hunting hours and do not permanent damage.”

    This is in the public land and WMA section of the hunting regulations. I don’t think anything is able to be constructed and left regardless of what it is made of.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #610739

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Are permanent stands legal on public hunting land if the stand is made up of sticks and logs from the forest floor?


    Yes, that would be legal. Unless otherwise noted in the law book. What’s NOT legal is a “shelter”, roof, sides…enclosed.

    BIRDDOG


    I checked the rule book on it, and I disagree. The regs say

    “A person may not construct, occupy, or use any elevated scaffold or other elevated device for the purpose or hunting, watching, or killing wild animals, except that portable stands may be used if they are removed each day at the close of hunting hours and do not permanent damage.”

    This is in the public land and WMA section of the hunting regulations. I don’t think anything is able to be constructed and left regardless of what it is made of.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #32114

    Quote:


    This is in the public land and WMA section of the hunting regulations. I don’t think anything is able to be constructed and left regardless of what it is made of.


    Yes, this is the way I understand the law as well.

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #610743

    Quote:


    This is in the public land and WMA section of the hunting regulations. I don’t think anything is able to be constructed and left regardless of what it is made of.


    Yes, this is the way I understand the law as well.

    birddog
    Mn.
    Posts: 1957
    #32123

    I understand the law differently, not only in the book but from the DNR themselves in telephone conversation…page 112, “elevated scaffolds”, they use the phrase..”portable stands is recommended”. I also see they changed the wording from last years book where it was typed something to this effect…”permanent shelters enclosed with roof and sides, blah, blah, are not allowed”. This year they use the wording…”erecting permanent buildings is prohibited”.

    I’m not talking WMA’s, SNA’s, NWF’s, etc. MN state land it is LEGAL to construct a stand unless it’s classified WMA etc, etc. Give your friendly game warden or dnr a call, they’ll set it straight, they have for me several years in a row, for a triple check I’ll be contacting the DNR in the morning, I’m expecting them to echo the same thing they told me last thursday…. Building a standard ladder, platform and railings is legal on MN state land unless the land is otherwise classified differently.

    P.S…There is no doubt the state is working towards eliminating permanant stands, they have been for years, and every year they change the wording in the book. And, I 100% agree…permanant stands on WMA’s are illegal.

    BIRDDOG

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