MN DNR firearms deer season changes

Steve, We have chatted before and I stopped by your house. I consider us more than I am with most here on IDA.
Don’t get me started about kids and what I wish I could share with them.
One thing is sure though, I also do not believe that a season should be created to accomadate each and every person. What would be next, having a season for people who have a permit to hunt from their trucks becasue they’re old and don’t or can’t stand the cold? By the way, my brother is in a wheelchair people so don’t think I’m a dick.
Its just the tradition end of things. I remember growing up and learning to hunt with friends and relatives. Same goes for fishing. Half the battle was peparing for the conditions and learning how to deal with it all. That was also half the fun. Setting out all the clothes and heat packs. Talking about what it all did. Learning how to use all of the equipment and how to take care of myself..
I am young, but call me old fashion if you want. Teaching the young how to deal with things is what being a parent is all about. If all you want is to take a kid and sit in a blind on a 68 degree day, pay me, I’ll get them a doe in 10 minutes on stand. I don’t mean to go on a tangent here but darn people, convience is nice, I like Kwik Trips too, but the experience of hunting and fishing is just what it is. Some days are good and some aren’t so good.
And for that matter, hunting weather has been pretty darn nice for the last many years. Its not like we live in Canada.

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If you guys really think that this all boils down to taking a kid hunting or getting a senior out, well……get real.

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Hi Eric hows it going!
I did not mean to sugjest that this was the reason for the early hunt, I was just saying that IMHO this will be nice for youth and Seinors.

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If you guys really think that this all boils down to taking a kid hunting or getting a senior out, well……get real.

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Hi Eric hows it going!
I did not mean to sugjest that this was the reason for the early hunt, I was just saying that IMHO this will be nice for youth and Seinors.

ERonningen , you buy the kite and I will fly it

Wats , you are 100% right , put in the time and watching them makes you the best hunter you can be
Watch out hunting out of a DB could make you a fair-wheather hunter ! ( crap I have one also)

ERonningen , you buy the kite and I will fly it

Wats , you are 100% right , put in the time and watching them makes you the best hunter you can be
Watch out hunting out of a DB could make you a fair-wheather hunter ! ( crap I have one also)

Gary sorry about the comment about your kids that was a low blow and I apologize. We may not all agree on this on this topic but in the end as MN deer hunters I think I can safely say that we all want the same thing and that is more mature bucks in the woods.

Gary sorry about the comment about your kids that was a low blow and I apologize. We may not all agree on this on this topic but in the end as MN deer hunters I think I can safely say that we all want the same thing and that is more mature bucks in the woods.

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Teaching the young how to deal with things is what being a parent is all about.

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Something that I truly believe society is forgetting all about IMO.

Then we sit and wonder why kids are so different now days.

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Teaching the young how to deal with things is what being a parent is all about.

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Something that I truly believe society is forgetting all about IMO.

Then we sit and wonder why kids are so different now days.

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Come on Wats, another melon head response?

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Eric-

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Come on Wats, another melon head response?

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Eric-

I should clarify my definition of a “trophy hunter”, not to be confused with a person who practices QDMA. To me, there is a BIG difference.
The trophy hunter is one I define as the stout, stubborn person who will NEVER shoot a doe under any circumstance. They will tell you they would eat their tag before shooting a doe. If you think these type of people do not exist, you are naive.

I am strongly in favor of the people who practice QDM. These people know the advantages of getting the doe/buck ratio in check. They also know the value of shooting does not only to get the ratio down, but understand the carrying capacity of the land.

Like I said, there is a HUGE difference between the 2 types of people. I have no problem with guys who chase the large mature bucks to harvest as long as they are willing to shoot does as well.

I should clarify my definition of a “trophy hunter”, not to be confused with a person who practices QDMA. To me, there is a BIG difference.
The trophy hunter is one I define as the stout, stubborn person who will NEVER shoot a doe under any circumstance. They will tell you they would eat their tag before shooting a doe. If you think these type of people do not exist, you are naive.

I am strongly in favor of the people who practice QDM. These people know the advantages of getting the doe/buck ratio in check. They also know the value of shooting does not only to get the ratio down, but understand the carrying capacity of the land.

Like I said, there is a HUGE difference between the 2 types of people. I have no problem with guys who chase the large mature bucks to harvest as long as they are willing to shoot does as well.

I could not have said it better myself Mike!

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I should clarify my definition of a “trophy hunter”, not to be confused with a person who practices QDMA. To me, there is a BIG difference.
The trophy hunter is one I define as the stout, stubborn person who will NEVER shoot a doe under any circumstance. They will tell you they would eat their tag before shooting a doe. If you think these type of people do not exist, you are naive.

I am strongly in favor of the people who practice QDM. These people know the advantages of getting the doe/buck ratio in check. They also know the value of shooting does not only to get the ratio down, but understand the carrying capacity of the land.

Like I said, there is a HUGE difference between the 2 types of people. I have no problem with guys who chase the large mature bucks to harvest as long as they are willing to shoot does as well.

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I could not have said it better myself Mike!

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I should clarify my definition of a “trophy hunter”, not to be confused with a person who practices QDMA. To me, there is a BIG difference.
The trophy hunter is one I define as the stout, stubborn person who will NEVER shoot a doe under any circumstance. They will tell you they would eat their tag before shooting a doe. If you think these type of people do not exist, you are naive.

I am strongly in favor of the people who practice QDM. These people know the advantages of getting the doe/buck ratio in check. They also know the value of shooting does not only to get the ratio down, but understand the carrying capacity of the land.

Like I said, there is a HUGE difference between the 2 types of people. I have no problem with guys who chase the large mature bucks to harvest as long as they are willing to shoot does as well.

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Mike, When you make posts like that its all clear. I agree 100% NOW. But you could see how one might be mislead with your forst post as compared to your last.

Mike, When you make posts like that its all clear. I agree 100% NOW. But you could see how one might be mislead with your forst post as compared to your last.

If we get back on topic, I’m not sure about all the negative feelings toward an early season.

WI now has a youth hunt, t-zone hunts, and Earn a Buck programs. I can’t say that I’ve seen any of these things making a bit of difference where I hunt. We still have deer around that could be bow killed easily and the gun season is never full of “educated” deer either. The only thing making them more cautious is the lack of cover. We’ve seen this decades before special seasons.

Finger pointing is easy. Whether it’s the state DNR mismanaging tags and permits, the declining number of hunters, too much posted land, or people not taking does when they should be.

According to the WI DNR, EAB had to be implemented because extra tags WERE NOT resulting in the doe reductions desired. Hunters were shooting their buck and leaving the other tags unused. Who do we blame for that? Who do we blast for this behavior? And what should the DNR officials decide as their/our best recourse?

We have a declining number of hunters. We need to attract new hunters as well as bringing up youngsters to preserve our heritage. How can we do that? Tell them to tough it out? Tell them the only way to get a buck is to shoot a doe? An earlier hunt is feasible for this cause and should be accepted as such. We should also do everything possible to get rid of the need for an EAB program.

Part of this is the way deer hunting is advertised and marketed. Every video/DVD published is about trophy bucks. Why? Cuz that’s what drives sales! Everyone wants a monster buck! We need to focus our education more toward harvesting success and QDM, using doe kills as part of the greater accomplishment. Lets see some weigh ins on these does and celebrate that accomplishment as well.

Why????

Because we need to attract more hunters! Getting more people to hunt has everything to do with getting more people to open land up. Animal rights activist groups are educating people to hate guns and protect animals, thus blocking hunters. But data proves that hunters do more to protect and preserve a species than any other method excercised. This method of getting us blocked through slighted education is working for the opposition………. and we need to turn it around.

We may have to experience some sacrifices to our personal preferences (sharing the woods with dorks in orange) but this is all about our very future. The state knows there’s more money in hunting/fishing than “bike trails and bird watchers”. (not a classification but a $$$ comparison) If we want the state’s help in preserving our heritage, we’d better pony up and support them and make efforts to work with our governing officials.

Your future and the state’s hunting/fishing/economic futures are held in the same hands………..OURS. Support these extra hunts and programs for EXACTLY what they’re intended to do. The economics have their place in preserving our heritage. Pointing fingers and groaning on a web site isn’t going to get anything done.

Get people hunting. Today.

If we get back on topic, I’m not sure about all the negative feelings toward an early season.

WI now has a youth hunt, t-zone hunts, and Earn a Buck programs. I can’t say that I’ve seen any of these things making a bit of difference where I hunt. We still have deer around that could be bow killed easily and the gun season is never full of “educated” deer either. The only thing making them more cautious is the lack of cover. We’ve seen this decades before special seasons.

Finger pointing is easy. Whether it’s the state DNR mismanaging tags and permits, the declining number of hunters, too much posted land, or people not taking does when they should be.

According to the WI DNR, EAB had to be implemented because extra tags WERE NOT resulting in the doe reductions desired. Hunters were shooting their buck and leaving the other tags unused. Who do we blame for that? Who do we blast for this behavior? And what should the DNR officials decide as their/our best recourse?

We have a declining number of hunters. We need to attract new hunters as well as bringing up youngsters to preserve our heritage. How can we do that? Tell them to tough it out? Tell them the only way to get a buck is to shoot a doe? An earlier hunt is feasible for this cause and should be accepted as such. We should also do everything possible to get rid of the need for an EAB program.

Part of this is the way deer hunting is advertised and marketed. Every video/DVD published is about trophy bucks. Why? Cuz that’s what drives sales! Everyone wants a monster buck! We need to focus our education more toward harvesting success and QDM, using doe kills as part of the greater accomplishment. Lets see some weigh ins on these does and celebrate that accomplishment as well.

Why????

Because we need to attract more hunters! Getting more people to hunt has everything to do with getting more people to open land up. Animal rights activist groups are educating people to hate guns and protect animals, thus blocking hunters. But data proves that hunters do more to protect and preserve a species than any other method excercised. This method of getting us blocked through slighted education is working for the opposition………. and we need to turn it around.

We may have to experience some sacrifices to our personal preferences (sharing the woods with dorks in orange) but this is all about our very future. The state knows there’s more money in hunting/fishing than “bike trails and bird watchers”. (not a classification but a $$$ comparison) If we want the state’s help in preserving our heritage, we’d better pony up and support them and make efforts to work with our governing officials.

Your future and the state’s hunting/fishing/economic futures are held in the same hands………..OURS. Support these extra hunts and programs for EXACTLY what they’re intended to do. The economics have their place in preserving our heritage. Pointing fingers and groaning on a web site isn’t going to get anything done.

Get people hunting. Today.

well said

well said

Stillakid2 , VERY GOOD POINT

Stillakid2 , VERY GOOD POINT

Very good read Ken thank you.

Very good read Ken thank you.

I agree with most everyones comments. The early gun and the very late seasons are bad !!! However you are missing the most important problem—– the early gun season has created a haven for poachers harvesting ILLEGAL LARGE BUCKS. It sure has in my part of IOWA, the early doe season was a mistake. With the amount of people on this site, we could solve the problem very easily. SHOOT MORE DOE’S—-let the young bucks walk. If it’s not going on the wall it’s meat. Why not then shoot a doe !!!!!! It’s not the kid’s, it’s not the elderly or the disabled, it is you and I that are the problem. We don’t shoot enough Doe’s !!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks; Frank

I agree with most everyones comments. The early gun and the very late seasons are bad !!! However you are missing the most important problem—– the early gun season has created a haven for poachers harvesting ILLEGAL LARGE BUCKS. It sure has in my part of IOWA, the early doe season was a mistake. With the amount of people on this site, we could solve the problem very easily. SHOOT MORE DOE’S—-let the young bucks walk. If it’s not going on the wall it’s meat. Why not then shoot a doe !!!!!! It’s not the kid’s, it’s not the elderly or the disabled, it is you and I that are the problem. We don’t shoot enough Doe’s !!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks; Frank

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It’s not the kid’s, it’s not the elderly or the disabled, it is you and I that are the problem. We don’t shoot enough Doe’s !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Maybe I misunderstood your reply but no one here said that the kids, the elderly or the disabled were the problem?????

And yes I think we all agree to shoot more doe’s and let the young bucks walk

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It’s not the kid’s, it’s not the elderly or the disabled, it is you and I that are the problem. We don’t shoot enough Doe’s !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Maybe I misunderstood your reply but no one here said that the kids, the elderly or the disabled were the problem?????

And yes I think we all agree to shoot more doe’s and let the young bucks walk