this is just plain sick…

  • G_Smitty
    New Richmond, WI
    Posts: 1359
    #199171

    Saw this article posted on DrudgeReport… in the Duluth newspaper:

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    Lawyer argues sex with dead deer not crime

    COURTS: Arguing over the definition the word “animal,” the defense says sex with a carcass is not covered under the Wisconsin statute.
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    Couldn’t open the entire article as you need a subscription… I know it gets cold up there in the far north, but this is going too far!!!!

    skineboy
    Red Wing, MN
    Posts: 161
    #25140

    I just read the article in the Star Trib online. This guy is messed up. He was convicted a while back of killing a horse to have sex with the carcass. This guy needs serious help. Sick and wrong.

    ~SKINEBOY~

    skineboy
    Red Wing, MN
    Posts: 161
    #500276

    I just read the article in the Star Trib online. This guy is messed up. He was convicted a while back of killing a horse to have sex with the carcass. This guy needs serious help. Sick and wrong.

    ~SKINEBOY~

    dan-larson
    Cedar, Min-E-So-Ta
    Posts: 1482
    #25143

    Better animals than the kids…

    dan-larson
    Cedar, Min-E-So-Ta
    Posts: 1482
    #500287

    Better animals than the kids…

    eyebuster
    Duluth
    Posts: 1025
    #25149

    Here is the story it is truly sick!!

    Deer assault case presents unusual issues

    Duluth News Tribune
    DULUTH — Prosecution of a case involving alleged sexual contact with a dead deer may hinge on the legal definition of the word “animal.”

    Bryan James Hathaway, 20, of Superior, Wis., faces a misdemeanor charge of sexual gratification with an animal. He is accused of having sex with a dead deer he saw beside a road on Oct. 11.

    A motion filed last week by his attorney, public defender Fredric Anderson, argued that since the deer was dead, it was not considered an animal and the charge should be dismissed.

    “The statute does not prohibit one from having sex with a carcass,” Anderson wrote.

    Judge Michael Lucci heard the motion Tuesday.

    “I’m a little surprised this issue hasn’t been tackled before in another case,” Lucci said.

    The Webster’s dictionary defines “animal” as “any of a kingdom of living beings,” Anderson said.

    If you include carcasses in that definition, he said, “you really go down a slippery slope with absurd results.”

    Anderson argued: When does a turkey cease to be an animal? When it is dead?

    When it is wrapped in plastic packaging in the freezer? When it is served, fully cooked?

    A judge should decide what the Legislature intended “animal” to mean in the statute, he said. “And the only clear point to draw the line in that definition, I believe, is the point of death.”

    Assistant District Attorney James Boughner said the court can use a dictionary to determine the meaning of the word, but it doesn’t have to.

    “The common and ordinary meaning of a word can be found in how people actually use the word,” Boughner wrote in his response to the motion.

    When a person’s pet dog dies, he told Lucci, the person still refers to the dog as his or her dog, not a carcass.

    “It stays a dog for some time,” Boughner said.

    He referred to the criminal complaint, in which Hathaway told police he saw the dead deer in the ditch and moved it into the woods. Hathaway called it a dead deer, Boughner said, not a carcass.

    “It did not lose its essence as a deer, an animal, when it died,” he said.

    Anderson argued that the statute, which falls under the heading “crimes against sexual morality,” was meant to protect animals. That would be unnecessary in the case of a dead animal.

    “If you look at the other crimes that are in this subsection, they all protect against something other than simply things we don’t like or things we find disgusting,” he said.

    Other crimes in that subsection include incest, bigamy, public fornication and lewd and lascivious behavior.

    Boughner said the focus of the statute was on punishing the human behavior, not protecting animals.

    “It does not seem to draw a line between the living and the dead,” he said.

    Interpreting the statute to exclude dead animals would also exclude freshly killed animals, Boughner said. That, he said, could lead to people who commit such acts with animals to kill them.

    Lucci said he would render a decision by Hathaway’s next court appearance on Dec. 1.

    The misdemeanor charge carries a maximum penalty of nine months in jail and a fine of up to $10,000. If convicted, Hathaway could serve a prison term of up to two years because of a previous conviction. In April 2005, Hathaway pleaded no contest to one felony charge of mistreatment of an animal for the shooting death of Bambrick, a 26-year-old horse, to have sex with the animal.

    (c) 2006, Duluth News Tribune (Duluth, Minn.).

    eyebuster
    Duluth
    Posts: 1025
    #500308

    Here is the story it is truly sick!!

    Deer assault case presents unusual issues

    Duluth News Tribune
    DULUTH — Prosecution of a case involving alleged sexual contact with a dead deer may hinge on the legal definition of the word “animal.”

    Bryan James Hathaway, 20, of Superior, Wis., faces a misdemeanor charge of sexual gratification with an animal. He is accused of having sex with a dead deer he saw beside a road on Oct. 11.

    A motion filed last week by his attorney, public defender Fredric Anderson, argued that since the deer was dead, it was not considered an animal and the charge should be dismissed.

    “The statute does not prohibit one from having sex with a carcass,” Anderson wrote.

    Judge Michael Lucci heard the motion Tuesday.

    “I’m a little surprised this issue hasn’t been tackled before in another case,” Lucci said.

    The Webster’s dictionary defines “animal” as “any of a kingdom of living beings,” Anderson said.

    If you include carcasses in that definition, he said, “you really go down a slippery slope with absurd results.”

    Anderson argued: When does a turkey cease to be an animal? When it is dead?

    When it is wrapped in plastic packaging in the freezer? When it is served, fully cooked?

    A judge should decide what the Legislature intended “animal” to mean in the statute, he said. “And the only clear point to draw the line in that definition, I believe, is the point of death.”

    Assistant District Attorney James Boughner said the court can use a dictionary to determine the meaning of the word, but it doesn’t have to.

    “The common and ordinary meaning of a word can be found in how people actually use the word,” Boughner wrote in his response to the motion.

    When a person’s pet dog dies, he told Lucci, the person still refers to the dog as his or her dog, not a carcass.

    “It stays a dog for some time,” Boughner said.

    He referred to the criminal complaint, in which Hathaway told police he saw the dead deer in the ditch and moved it into the woods. Hathaway called it a dead deer, Boughner said, not a carcass.

    “It did not lose its essence as a deer, an animal, when it died,” he said.

    Anderson argued that the statute, which falls under the heading “crimes against sexual morality,” was meant to protect animals. That would be unnecessary in the case of a dead animal.

    “If you look at the other crimes that are in this subsection, they all protect against something other than simply things we don’t like or things we find disgusting,” he said.

    Other crimes in that subsection include incest, bigamy, public fornication and lewd and lascivious behavior.

    Boughner said the focus of the statute was on punishing the human behavior, not protecting animals.

    “It does not seem to draw a line between the living and the dead,” he said.

    Interpreting the statute to exclude dead animals would also exclude freshly killed animals, Boughner said. That, he said, could lead to people who commit such acts with animals to kill them.

    Lucci said he would render a decision by Hathaway’s next court appearance on Dec. 1.

    The misdemeanor charge carries a maximum penalty of nine months in jail and a fine of up to $10,000. If convicted, Hathaway could serve a prison term of up to two years because of a previous conviction. In April 2005, Hathaway pleaded no contest to one felony charge of mistreatment of an animal for the shooting death of Bambrick, a 26-year-old horse, to have sex with the animal.

    (c) 2006, Duluth News Tribune (Duluth, Minn.).

    G_Smitty
    New Richmond, WI
    Posts: 1359
    #25151

    that guys is really SICK . So he sees a dead deer on the side of the road and decides to have sex with it!!?!?! My stomach just turned over…

    If he got caught, he must have been doing this in public… if even possible, that makes it even worse! This guy needs to be put away at the funny farm…

    If he likes to have sex with dead animals, what’s next? Is he going to grab someones dog, kill it, and do the deed? Does he ‘step up’ and decide maybe it would ‘fun’ to try it with a dead person?? I’m going to be sick….

    G_Smitty
    New Richmond, WI
    Posts: 1359
    #500315

    that guys is really SICK . So he sees a dead deer on the side of the road and decides to have sex with it!!?!?! My stomach just turned over…

    If he got caught, he must have been doing this in public… if even possible, that makes it even worse! This guy needs to be put away at the funny farm…

    If he likes to have sex with dead animals, what’s next? Is he going to grab someones dog, kill it, and do the deed? Does he ‘step up’ and decide maybe it would ‘fun’ to try it with a dead person?? I’m going to be sick….

    prieser
    Byron, MN
    Posts: 2274
    #25152

    I know the guy is just doing his job, but the public defender needs to find a new line of work if he gets this guy off. How could he look himself in the mirror.

    prieser
    Byron, MN
    Posts: 2274
    #500324

    I know the guy is just doing his job, but the public defender needs to find a new line of work if he gets this guy off. How could he look himself in the mirror.

    andyjcraig
    Iowa City, Iowa
    Posts: 390
    #25154

    Quote:


    the public defender needs to find a new line of work if he gets this guy off


    OH NO!!!

    andyjcraig
    Iowa City, Iowa
    Posts: 390
    #500338

    Quote:


    the public defender needs to find a new line of work if he gets this guy off


    OH NO!!!

    millelacsjumbos
    Minnesota
    Posts: 125
    #25158

    The worst part is this 20 year old moron is going to be a father some day if we don’t lock him up for a very long time. I’m not going to be ignorant enough to speak for everyone, but I sure wouldn’t want an animal carcass rapist as my father…

    millelacsjumbos
    Minnesota
    Posts: 125
    #500344

    The worst part is this 20 year old moron is going to be a father some day if we don’t lock him up for a very long time. I’m not going to be ignorant enough to speak for everyone, but I sure wouldn’t want an animal carcass rapist as my father…

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18564
    #25159

    I have no words……

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18564
    #500345

    I have no words……

    mossboss
    La Crescent, MN
    Posts: 2792
    #25167

    This dude is seriously messed up!

    mossboss
    La Crescent, MN
    Posts: 2792
    #500361

    This dude is seriously messed up!

    Farmboy
    Dodge Center, MN
    Posts: 39
    #25171

    This guy has serial killer written all over him…

    Farmboy
    Dodge Center, MN
    Posts: 39
    #500366

    This guy has serial killer written all over him…

    mallard_militia
    Fulton County, Illinois
    Posts: 1108
    #25180

    That is pretty sick.

    I hope it was atleast a doe. I guess when his buddies said they were going to the bar to find some tail, he took them literally.

    Lord, I apologize for that one; be with the pigmees down in New Guinea.

    He is a sick beast and should be prosecuted.

    mallard_militia
    Fulton County, Illinois
    Posts: 1108
    #500394

    That is pretty sick.

    I hope it was atleast a doe. I guess when his buddies said they were going to the bar to find some tail, he took them literally.

    Lord, I apologize for that one; be with the pigmees down in New Guinea.

    He is a sick beast and should be prosecuted.

    the_grump
    Le Center
    Posts: 612
    #25182

    Thats it I’m never eating roadkill again!

    the_grump
    Le Center
    Posts: 612
    #500403

    Thats it I’m never eating roadkill again!

    mec
    West Salem,WI
    Posts: 211
    #25206

    I hear that.

    mec
    West Salem,WI
    Posts: 211
    #500481

    I hear that.

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #25208

    What the heck is this doing in the deer “hunting” forum. Don’t we have a sick bass turd forum.

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #500486

    What the heck is this doing in the deer “hunting” forum. Don’t we have a sick bass turd forum.

    eyebuster
    Duluth
    Posts: 1025
    #25211

    Quote:


    What the heck is this doing in the deer “hunting” forum. Don’t we have a sick bass turd forum.


    That right there is funny

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