Darvish to the Cubs

Twins miss out on another number 1 starter.

With Santana’s injury this is not setting up well for the starting staff.

We needed/still need another good starter. Falvine have periodically said things to make it at least sound like they were pursuing Darvish; it will be interesting to hear if that was actually the case.

Why would Darvish want to come here? Same with the other front liners. You will be looking at the second tier starters and then to get them you will need to blow them away with money or years.

I’m sure the appeal of the cubs is better but we should still be able to land a top flight guy. Comes down to what we are willing to pay.

If we ever want to make a deep playoff run we need a lights out starter.

Agreed, however even with Darvish would the Twins be ready to make that run this year?

We’re still 2+ top level starters away from making it past the first round of the playoffs.

Yep, thats my thoughts also. I would rather try and get somebody like Lance Lynn for 13-15 million per for 3-4 years then Darvish at 126+ for 6 years.

We need berrios to turn into a legit 2 and then get a 1. Santana is a 2 or 3 when he’s healthy.

The windows are so tight for mid market teams like the twins they need a couple guys and some luck to get there. They have a good young core which makes them exciting but they need some help.

I’ll still watch this summer…. last summer was fun.

As a Brewer fan I’m glad to see this contract go south. While the short term payoff will be good for the Cubs I am gonna say they will regret that contract year 4-6. Something that would hurt a small market club. Arieta on a three year 60 mil contract would be great for the Crew. Even if that ends up hurting year three it will be a way better payoff. Go Crew, Go TWINS! Great to have our teams relevant and we are in separate leagues so were not at each other’s throat.

This is Arrieta’s last payday. I don’t see Boras letting him sign anything less then 4 years @ $23.5 per year. In fact I think he goes at 4 for over $100. We will see.

Baseball is flush with cash right now. While the owners are trying to lower the years they still will be willing to spend. With Darvish signed and camps opening I think you will see a flurry of signings this week. We will also see a bunch of real short term 1 & 2 year deals on position players.

This stance on free agent spending couldn’t come at a better time for the brewers who are without doubt at a competitive disadvantage based on market size and the way baseball splits it’s money. Luckily we have an owner who does spend the money he makes when given something to build around

Well, it also helps he got a $50 million dollar windfall this year like all the owners did.

BTW, smooth move by the Brewers requiring a drivers license or proof of being a Wisconsin resident to purchase tickets for Cubs vs Brewers games at Miller. If nothing else it will make the scalpers shell out more money up front.

I don’t like it, I went to a cubs game at Miller Park last year. That’s the way it goes. Having a city 5 times larger 90 miles to the south with loyal fans will get you that….it will get a bit more interesting with the brewers close to the same talent level. It’s good for baseball. Milwaukee has loyal knowledgeable fans also.

The problem with the Twins has never been the general mangers. It’s been our very cheap owners the Pohlads. They don’t spend any money and don’t care about winning. They said all that bs about the new stadium will lead to a competitive team. Well that didn’t happen at all. The only big contract they have gave someone was Mauer which they had to if they didn’t want riots.

fishingallday wrote:

The problem with the Twins has never been the general mangers. It’s been our very cheap owners the Pohlads. They don’t spend any money and don’t care about winning. They said all that bs about the new stadium will lead to a competitive team. Well that didn’t happen at all. The only big contract they have gave someone was Mauer which they had to if they didn’t want riots.

The Twins are more competitive than not and have won championships relatively recently. At least that’s what I see from afar

bigpike wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>fishingallday wrote:</div>
The problem with the Twins has never been the general mangers. It’s been our very cheap owners the Pohlads. They don’t spend any money and don’t care about winning. They said all that bs about the new stadium will lead to a competitive team. Well that didn’t happen at all. The only big contract they have gave someone was Mauer which they had to if they didn’t want riots.

The Twins are more competitive than not and have won championships relatively recently. At least that’s what I see from afar

Im talking the last 10 years. Winning a championship 30 years ago is great but since then it’s been a mediocre baseball club. The last 10 years besides 2 or 3 have been horrendous.

You should follow soccer then. Baseball is what it is, either enjoy it or don’t. People have been complaining about the Pohlads for ever. Pony up a billion plus dollars and lets see how you run the Twins. As fans all we can ask for is a competitive team, they have provided that with a few exceptions.

My hope is with the new guys in the gm role it’s a sign the pohlads might open up the purse a bit.

For the twins to make a run it’s going to take some things falling into place….a pitcher gets hot, they get someone at the deadline, Buxton and dozier have career years, etc.

Dutchboy wrote:

You should follow soccer then. Baseball is what it is, either enjoy it or don’t. People have been complaining about the Pohlads for ever. Pony up a billion plus dollars and lets see how you run the Twins. As fans all we can ask for is a competitive team, they have provided that with a few exceptions.

I can be a fan and disagree with the cheap owners. People have a right to be mad at them. They promised a competitive team with us building them a new stadium. They have not been competitive. To bad Glen Taylor or the Wilf’s aren’t the owner. Big Money would be spent if that were the case.

OK, so tell me who you would sign, how many years, what kind of money?

I don’t mean to be argumentative but I hear the same old story over and over. Twins don’t spend money. But they do win. in 17 seasons since 2000 they have finished 1st or 2nd 10 times. 3rd twice. Now they don’t win the pennant every year and sometimes when they finished 2nd they were a long ways behind, but they compete. People whine that they paid Mauer 23 million a year, but in the next breath say they don’t spend money. If you look back they have spent money, it just wasn’t always on the right players. Hughes gets hurt, Nolasco is terrible, Nishi was worse then terrible and Park was a AAA player at best.

Now tell me what are you going to do with these guys………….

Dozier
Buxton
Sano
Rosario
Polonco

they are all under control but are all headed to free agency or arbitration in the next few years.

Show me how you are spending your millions on these guys.

Mauer I don’t have a problem with. If we wouldn’t have signed him people would’ve been PO. I’m just asking to get another good starter like Cobb, Lynn or Arrieta. Then sign another relief. Now toward your question you would have to keep Buxton,Rosario, Polanco. Dozier I would say wait and see what he does this year. Sano is a big question mark if he even plays this year with the sexual assault allegation. I would probably say get rid of Sano.

fishingallday wrote:

I can be a fan and disagree with the cheap owners. People have a right to be mad at them. They promised a competitive team with us building them a new stadium. They have not been competitive. To bad Glen Taylor or the Wilf’s aren’t the owner. Big Money would be spent if that were the case.

Wondering about this, are you suggesting that Glen Taylor and the Timberwolves have been more competitive and successful in the last 10-15 years than the Twins?

bigpike wrote:

Milwaukee has loyal knowledgeable fans also.

Agree 100% bigpike!

IMHO a lack of high priced free agents is not the issue with the twins. Every year we see teams spend big on pitchers and a lot of the time it doesn’t even pan out in year 1. Being a mid market team I wish we would have changed our philosophy on scouting and coaching. Spend more money on top tier prospects both here and abroad. Stop drafting and coaching pitchers that throw 85 mph with the pitch to contact crap. Stop drafting slap hitters that play defense and get some sluggers. I think our philosophy on scouting has hurt us more in the last 15 years than our budget

Walleyestudent Andy Cox wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>fishingallday wrote:</div>
I can be a fan and disagree with the cheap owners. People have a right to be mad at them. They promised a competitive team with us building them a new stadium. They have not been competitive. To bad Glen Taylor or the Wilf’s aren’t the owner. Big Money would be spent if that were the case.

Wondering about this, are you suggesting that Glen Taylor and the Timberwolves have been more competitive and successful in the last 10-15 years than the Twins?

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>bigpike wrote:</div>
Milwaukee has loyal knowledgeable fans also.

Agree 100% bigpike!

No I am saying Glen Taylor cares more about the fans then the Pohlads do. And he’s not afraid to spend money.

I’m not a basketball fan. Where has Taylor spent money?

I’m hopeful that the new General managers can turn it around. Going to give them a pass on last year after trading a decent pitcher we just had signed away for a prospect we will probably will never see, then we went to the playoffs when they thought we were done. Last year was still Terry Ryan’s team. Interested to see how they do in the next 2-4 years.

Dutchboy wrote:

I’m not a basketball fan. Where has Taylor spent money?

This year in getting big names to come here and resigning Wiggins. Upgrading Target Center.

Can’t tell you about Wiggins or if they have big name players. I can tell you $100 million dollars of taxpayer money went into Target Center. It was part of the Viking money giveaway.

fishingallday wrote:

No I am saying Glen Taylor cares more about the fans then the Pohlads do. And he’s not afraid to spend money.

I will agree with you that Taylor does care about the fans far more than perhaps the Pohlads. And to an extent he has exhibited a willingness to spend. I do feel somewhat sorry for the guy because his best intentions always seemed to derail with GM hires (David Kahn) and then unfortunate timing with Flip Saunders having lymphoma (very sad) in 2015 after the previous unceremonious departure during the 04-05 season.

Sorry though, no intent to derail this thread on the T-Wolves.

I think the Twins did overachieve last year as they were able to get into the playoff when nobody would have predicted that. Who saw that coming, especially after trading their top closer.

I agree with Dutchboy that they have made viable attempts in the past with signings that they put out a fair amount of $$ that busted. Perhaps that is why it is so difficult to sell the farm for the top FA’s available. Yankees, Boston, Cubs, Dodgers seem to…wonder why?

Houston Astros are an interesting team now!! How that team was built?