Crossing into Canada

  • Krh129
    Posts: 171
    #2325184

    This was forwarded to me via FB from the guy who sets up our Canadian Fishing trips. It is apparently info from the Executive Director of Ontario Sunset Country via a resort owner.

    If accurate, sounds like a good time will be had by all.

    Below is some more info on tariffs and crossing the border, from the Executive Director of Ontario’s Sunset Country

    “Hi all, I was finally able to speak with a Superintendent at the Fort Frances Border regarding tariffs and the border process> Here is a summary of that discussion:

    • Every vehicle will be charged the tariffs, with no exceptions. Officers have been instructed to charge a tariff on all “consumable goods.”

    • The best way to speed up the process is for tourists to have their receipts ready and the items subject to tariffs readily available for inspection if they decide to do so.

    • There is no formal process (as of now) to deal with the higher volumes expected this season. They will endeavour to have all four gates open at Fort on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.

    • Apparently, things like groceries have always been “tariffable,” but they never enforced that (until now), and Canada is now enforcing it as a retaliatory measure to US tariffs on Canadian goods.

    • The tariff rate will be 25% plus 5% GST so, on a value of $100.00 Canadian, the tourist will pay a tariff of $30.00 Canadian.

    • Any additional fuel (propane tanks, Jerry cans) and possibly fuel in the gas tank of a boat are, technically, subject to the tariffs. They may or may not charge for the gas in the tank on the boat.

    • The only items not subject to a tariff are personal goods that will be brought back to USA after the visit – so tackle, gear, and clothing are all exempt. Things consumed while in Canada, however, are all subject to tariffs including groceries and fuel.

    • If they bring in a consumable good that is NOT made in Canada, the USA, or Mexico, they MAY be charged an additional tariff of between 2% and 15% (on top of the 30%). This is at the officer’s discretion.

    • In addition to having their receipts ready, tourists should have consumable goods easily inspectable, and they should separate any consumable goods made in CA, the US, or Mex separate from consumable goods made elsewhere e.g. China – as the latter are subject to additional duties/tariffs.

    • The Superintendent told me to make sure the goods that belong to you are in your vehicle. Do Not put goods that are yours in a different car that may be travelling with you, as this will cause significant delays for the tourists in both vehicles.

    • The tourists still get their personal exemption on tobacco and alcohol, but anything over will have both the tariff and duty applied—so even more than 30% on alcohol and tobacco over the personal exemption amount. You can buy alcohol in Canada to avoid this.

    • Lastly, she said they understand the animosity this may create; however, she emphasized that CBSA doesn’t make the policies; they only enforce them. She told me being respectful when crossing will make things easier for both sides, and that they will treat people fairly and with respect if they are respectful back.”

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    We too understand the extra hassle and headache this may cause, but please remember to be respectful, honest and ready with all proper documentation and receipts. Keep in mind this could add travel time to your trip, and to plan accordingly.

    Thank you to all our guests that have reached out with questions, kind words and support. We know none of this is ideal, but we’re also here to help and assist you in any capacity we can. This will not last forever.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12703
    #2325200

    Well lets hope this whole pissing match will be over by our late may/early June trip. The Tariffs on the food is not a big deal. The additional delay and hassle at the border may be.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22941
    #2325205

    This is nothing new, they were breaking their owns rules for years… this will turn out to be a nothing burger. We bring exactly $0 worth of food and beverages when we go to Canada. We buy all our goods IN CANADA… to help their economy too… the people at the border appreciate it too, they said so !

    orve4
    Posts: 623
    #2325206

    Grassy Narrow posted this exact post on their facebook. Should be interesting to see what happens. We head up early June. I know Covid was very hard on the tourist and fishing Industry in Canada wondering how this will affect it.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12703
    #2325217

    We buy all our goods IN CANADA… to help their economy too… the people at the border appreciate it too, they said so !

    That may be the route we go this year as well. Tried to do so other years and simply could not find a lot of the things we like to bring for food. Also nice to be able to freeze the meats. Where we go no electric and nearest place to get ice is a 3 hr round trip. Hard to keep meat safe for a week + trip on the ice we can manage to bring.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24875
    #2325218

    Well if this is true, I guess my truck for sure wont be going to Canada in June. Hopefully its confirmed beforehand one way or the other so we dont turn around and head back. I am not dealing with that. The fishing is good and the people are great but they can PI$$ up a rope for all I am concerned and wont be dealing with it.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24875
    #2325221

    Grassy Narrow posted this exact post on their facebook. Should be interesting to see what happens. We head up early June. I know Covid was very hard on the tourist and fishing Industry in Canada wondering how this will affect it.

    It certainly wont HELP it that is for sure. So the fine canadian people that we pay money to and visit and depend on us will likely feel the backlash.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 9342
    #2325222

    This is nothing new, they were breaking their owns rules for years

    Definitely a change from how they’ve been doing things the past 20+ years. The new part is they’re going to start enforcing their rules. Hopefully it’s temporary

    Curious how this will be enforced for the NW Angle – both for tourists and residents

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 22233
    #2325224

    Doesn’t seem like a big deal. We do it to them and they should do it to us.

    Full draw
    Posts: 1605
    #2325227

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
    We buy all our goods IN CANADA… to help their economy too… the people at the border appreciate it too, they said so !

    That may be the route we go this year as well. Tried to do so other years and simply could not find a lot of the things we like to bring for food. Also nice to be able to freeze the meats. Where we go no electric and nearest place to get ice is a 3 hr round trip. Hard to keep meat safe for a week + trip on the ice we can manage to bring.

    What I have done in the past when going on 2 to 3 week hunting trips out west. Fill up old milk jugs with water and freeze at home. In a good insulated cooler that’s only opened once a day and kept in the shade the frozen milk jugs will last for a week.
    Also pre chill your cooler before filling it helps as well.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24875
    #2325228

    Doesn’t seem like a big deal. We do it to them and they should do it to us.

    You think people coming from Canada carry receipts for everything they have purchased to bring into the states and separate everything by country of origin? I highly doubt that. So, is our gas from Canada or not? I mean, that is almost 100% likely where they oil came from so that should be a product of canada right?

    tswoboda
    Posts: 9342
    #2325229

    Doesn’t seem like a big deal. We do it to them and they should do it to us.

    I agree, it’s the time not the money. Should be a minor annoyance assuming they have you go through everything. Not bad for the guys who are prepared for it but could see it being a mess for anyone caught off guard

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24875
    #2325230

    What I have done in the past when going on 2 to 3 week hunting trips out west. Fill up old milk jugs with water and freeze at home. In a good insulated cooler that’s only opened once a day and kept in the shade the frozen milk jugs will last for a week.
    Also pre chill your cooler before filling it helps as well.

    Yes, this works great and I have done for years. One of the guys in the group seems to insist on cube ice but that stuff doesnt last. I fill one cooler with only frozen milk jugs, water bottles and then a few bags of cube ice on top to put in other coolers for a day trip, whatever. One year I got dry ice and that stuff is amazing but dont put anything in with it you dont want rock hard!

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22941
    #2325231

    Where we go to our fly-in, their is a fridge and deep freezer to put our food and our food savered catch, ran by a generator. Keeps the phones/cameras charged too ! We used to bring most of our stuff with us, but one year, my nephew and his buddy brought 6 cases of beer each… the border agent was like WTF.. pull into lane 2. Duty was paid, that’s when we said never again.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12703
    #2325232

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bearcat89 wrote:</div>
    Doesn’t seem like a big deal. We do it to them and they should do it to us.

    I agree, it’s the time not the money. Should be a minor annoyance assuming they have you go through everything. Not bad for the guys who are prepared for it but could see it being a mess for anyone caught off guard

    ^^^^ Tswoboda is correct – The Tariff on foods is not the issue. The delay caused at the border is a whole different issue. I could see this becoming a Big issue. The crossing we use hardly ever has more than 1 or 2 gates open and if you end up having to stop and go inside the delay is always major. This will most likely cause MANY more people to have to be stopped and go inside. Not many places to park for those needing to go inside. My guess is if that area gets backed up. They will just hold up the line at the initial windows.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12703
    #2325233

    Well if this is true, I guess my truck for sure wont be going to Canada in June. Hopefully its confirmed beforehand one way or the other so we dont turn around and head back. I am not dealing with that. The fishing is good and the people are great but they can PI$$ up a rope for all I am concerned and wont be dealing with it.

    I’m with you on this one. Hopefully it will all blow over by our trip. I’m sure if its a issue, we will hear about in advance and may simply skip the trip. That would suck, but not going to bother if their government wants to make it a issue.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 9342
    #2325234

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Full draw wrote:</div>
    What I have done in the past when going on 2 to 3 week hunting trips out west. Fill up old milk jugs with water and freeze at home. In a good insulated cooler that’s only opened once a day and kept in the shade the frozen milk jugs will last for a week.
    Also pre chill your cooler before filling it helps as well.

    Yes, this works great and I have done for years. One of the guys in the group seems to insist on cube ice but that stuff doesnt last. I fill one cooler with only frozen milk jugs, water bottles and then a few bags of cube ice on top to put in other coolers for a day trip, whatever. One year I got dry ice and that stuff is amazing but dont put anything in with it you dont want rock hard!

    Blocks of ice for sure and a big-ass cooler helps too – At least 1/3 should be ice, half is even better. We do 7-10 day family camping trips in July and the ice blocks almost always make it to the end. That’s with pre-school aged kids so the cooler is definitely getting opened more than once a day, feels closer to 100x per day.

    Jimmy Jones
    Posts: 3279
    #2325236

    Every time I went to Ontario in past years, I just bought food and alc in the province. The American dollar was always way stronger than the Cannuk dollare so in the end the food and beer didn’t cost any more and most often less.

    I don’t do the Canada thing anymore so I don’t have to worry about it. Fish on this side of the border taste just like fish on that side.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22941
    #2325243

    Alcohol, especially Beer is way more expensive in Canada. A case of Beer is over $60. But when your talking 2 cases in a week, the extra $40 isn’t a big deal.

    OG Net_Man
    Posts: 876
    #2325247

    I hate long lines at the border. When I cross the border the last thing that I want to do is go grocery shopping. To me it is just a pain in the ass to grocery shop while I am traveling and some times I am just in a hurry because of a tight schedule.

    So if we are crossing with multiple vehicles why would it be a longer (significant) delay if all of the food is packed in just the one vehicle?

    Maybe if they would go back to refunding us their GST tax charged….

    Yes, I am curious how they will handle this subject when heading by land to the Northwest Angle as well as our remote border crossings.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24875
    #2325257

    I’m with you on this one. Hopefully it will all blow over by our trip. I’m sure if its a issue, we will hear about in advance and may simply skip the trip. That would suck, but not going to bother if their government wants to make it a issue.

    I agree. We have NEVER had any issue at the border going in. In fact, we have been scrutinized more coming back than going into Canada for some reason. I dont blame them in the least, they are only doing their job.
    They have never once asked about anything other than: alcohol, tobacco, banned food items like eggs, potatos, etc. My buddy mentioned bearspray once and then of course they wanted to see that which he had to dig for. Bearspray is fine, but pepperspray is NOT! They dont want to deal with long lines and pretty much every year we have been over on something and they either let us off with a smaller duty or nothing at all. I am not that worried, but if I hear reports they are going through everything and nickel and diming about stuff they never used to I will change my mind.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22941
    #2325263

    Where we go to Northern Manitoba, it is a 18 hour drive to the Float Plane so… we stay in a hotel in Thompson, 15 hour drive. They have a Walmart and a Safeway also, along with a Beer and Liquor store, so we have time to kill anyways. We get everything we need including Fishing License and a “hot lure” or 2 !!! whistling

    tswoboda
    Posts: 9342
    #2325265

    I agree it likely won’t be an issue if you’re ready for it. We pay duty on booze every time we cross – takes like 5 minutes. They ask how much you paid for the extra case or bottle and then charge tax on that, no big deal. I’m guessing it will be similar for food/consumables. A receipt would be great but otherwise just write down what you have and give them a fair ballpark number for the value.

    I agree that buying booze and food after crossing the border is a great idea, would be the way to go now for sure. But for me personally, and I’m sure many others, most times we’re never passing an open grocery store or lcbo once in Canada. Would have to go way out of the way or plan the trip around finding an open grocery store and lcbo… no thank you.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24875
    #2325278

    FYI, someone apparently told a buddy of mine at the Mpls SPortsshow that they were up in Canada icefishing and ALL consumables were thrown in the dumpster when they arrived and they had to buy everything in canada. Not sure if that included alcohol or not, but whatever. I have another buddy I just talked to Tuesday who was on his way back from Sioux Narrows ice fishing and he didnt say a word. I never brought anything up, but if he had to throw anything away he would have said it.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24875
    #2325281

    But for me personally, and I’m sure many others, most times we’re never passing an open grocery store or lcbo once in Canada. Would have to go way out of the way or plan the trip around finding an open grocery store and lcbo… no thank you.

    THis is basically our issue. There is one convenience store, maybe a liquor store. THe convenience store I cannot even imagine what they have for stuff we would bring in, which wouldnt be a ton I guess. I guess my buddy wouldnt have his pudding cups and jello most likely LMAO.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 12584
    #2325284

    Good enough reason for me to not go to Canada.

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 22233
    #2325285

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bearcat89 wrote:</div>
    Doesn’t seem like a big deal. We do it to them and they should do it to us.

    You think people coming from Canada carry receipts for everything they have purchased to bring into the states and separate everything by country of origin? I highly doubt that. So, is our gas from Canada or not? I mean, that is almost 100% likely where they oil came from so that should be a product of canada right?

    Not exactly what i was insinuating, but I’m sure you understood what I meant.
    Small annoyances shouldn’t be big complaints. It stinks. But it is what it is for now

    grubson
    Harris, Somewhere in VNP
    Posts: 1868
    #2325297

    Good enough reason for me to not go to Canada. [/quote

    My thoughts exactly.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12703
    #2325308

    I don’t do the Canada thing anymore so I don’t have to worry about it. Fish on this side of the border taste just like fish on that side.

    Taste maybe. Size and quantity, No where even close. I catch more 40″+ pike in one Canada trip than I have in a lifetime in Minnesota. I catch more walleye in a day than I do in the whole year here in Minnesota.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12703
    #2325310

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
    But for me personally, and I’m sure many others, most times we’re never passing an open grocery store or lcbo once in Canada. Would have to go way out of the way or plan the trip around finding an open grocery store and lcbo… no thank you.

    THis is basically our issue. There is one convenience store, maybe a liquor store. THe convenience store I cannot even imagine what they have for stuff we would bring in, which wouldnt be a ton I guess. I guess my buddy wouldnt have his pudding cups and jello most likely LMAO.

    Same with us as well. Unless you pass a Big town, the small towns grocery stores have a rather limited amount of product. I’d not be against just buying everything there in Canada – Just not as easy as some think. My guess is Meat would be a real issue. We eat a lot of Hamburger, steaks, and Breakfast sausage each trip. If it ends up that people are being really hassled, I’ll just skip going. It will suck, but not the end of the world. Really look forward to both the spring and fall trips up there.
    Sadly I think their Country needs our money far more than we need theirs. The issue does not hurt their Government at all. It hurts the resort owners, and other places that really rely on US fishermen and visitors. Just another country’s government making decisions that effect their citizens more than themselves.

    All this said, I still not against the whole Tariff situation. It was way overdue. Import to export difference is simply something that needs addressed. There was a time that US citizens purchased almost everything they needed from things built, grow, produced right here in the US. Not anymore. Just take a look at the tags on things in your home or when you buy them. You will be shocked how many things are built or sourced from a foreign country. In the Big picture this really hurts our country in the long run. I’m not saying everything we buy or eat needs to come from here, but a larger amount of it sure does.

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