Crappies in small lakes

  • mojo
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    #1909720

    I have access to a small private lake that I’ve caught crappies in both open and hard water. The lake is under 40 acres and shaped like a peanut (narrow spot between two egg shaped larger bodies. One of the two bodies is pretty much 5-8 feet throughout, and 90% cattails around the edge, the other body is larger and goes from 7 up to 16 feet with a center basin that is pretty much 11-16 feet, and this bay has an even mix of flooded trees (now dead) and cattails for shoreline. All of the water is very clear, and there are submergent weeds everywhere the water is less than 8 feet deep. Fishing pressure is nearly nil, the lake gets fished maybe 15 days in an entire year, and never by more than 4 people.
    I have always been under the impression that crappies will hold in the deepest water during winter. I just recently started ice fishing again, and drilled holes in 13-16 fow and hopped around finding fish everywhere, including many 9-10 inch crappies (didn’t keep any, was just exploring). I expected the action to get really good for the period just before sunset, but to my surprise, they all disappeared, every hole empty, even the bluegills were cleared out. And it stayed that way for another hour until we left. Went and fished it another day, and exact same thing, caught fish great during daylight in the deepest part of the lake, then just before sunset the only deep water was barren of any fish.
    My question is where would crappies, bluegills and bass (caught a bunch of them too) go at night on such a small body of water if not in the deep basin? And why, they seem to be concentrated in that area during daylight, so nothing wrong with that water. Are there bug hatches that happen after dark that would draw fish away from the deep water? Do fish sometimes leave the deep basin for shallower water at night?
    I guess I’m in need of a lesson on crappie behavior through the day during winter?

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1909740

    Some lakes will support a night bite along with a day bite while others yet will offer better low light fishing for crappies and panfish. Two things stick out here that would guide my fishing during the ice period.

    First, crappies and sunfish will seek out the deepest water during the winter as it is likely the most stable and will offer what they need in food and comfort moreso than will the shallower water so the shallow end might not be the best to fish under ice. The second thing is those trees mentioned….they are absolute crappie and sunfish magnets especially if they are standing, not blow-downs.

    If I were fishing this lake, I’d pass on low light fishing since you’ve pretty much found that the shut down occurs with sun down. I would not expect to see a good low light fishery unless there was little snow cover on the ice and fishing at night was done under a full moon and three days on either side of it. And all of my angling would be focused on those trees.

    I’d find trees that extended down into the deeper water, drill a ring of say four holes fairly close to the trunk of each tree standing out of the water [no more than a foot off the trunk], and do so on maybe six or eight trees before I even dropped a line. I’d go back to the first holes and start fishing, starting quite high in the water column and jigging, my way down to the bottom. At some point I’d hit fish. If they were small I’d focus either higher or lower than where those smaller fish are hitting in the column, move to a different hole on that trunk and start jigging down again, and if they were all small I’d shift to the next tree that was drilled. The idea here is to fish from the top down so you’re not disturbing fish below where they begin to hit. Often times crappies will stratify by size and the larger fish will be higher o r lower than smaller fish and they may simply be on the other side of the trunk….maybe a shade line is there that they’re comfortable in while feeding. Crappies and sunfish will work a stick-up like this picking insects that are daytime active and will literally pick bugs from top to bottom. The insect forage that holds these fish thru the day likely in not active at night and those fish will simple settle right on the bottom and rest thru the darker hour. As morning approaches the crappies will be the first to show activity, followed a couple hours later by sunfish. This area would be a certain focus for me until the ice is really starting to look iffy, then I’s start checking the cattail fringes during the afternoon periods until evening dark.

    The shallower water under the ice will warm during the daytime and if the sun is strong on the ice so much the better. This daily trend of warming water in the daylight to cooling water in the night will pull crappies and sunfish towards the warmer portions because they #1, are more comfortable in the three or four degree warmer water and #2, their shift in forage starts with that warm water cycle and they feed better in the warmer water. [Mentioning warmer water here, those standing tree trunks will usually provide water a degree or two warmer during even the coldest portion of winter, hence the holes drilled so close to the trunks.]

    Crappie size in this lake may be a genetic thing. They may simply be genetically unable to attain a large size, however if random catches of larger fish suggest that larger fish may be there in numbers, then its a game to locate them and that will bring you back to the top to bottom strategy and the suggestion that crappies stratify by size, something they are notorious for. I always assume that the larger crappies in any body of water will occupy that portion which offers comfort, food, and security and will aggressively push smaller fish out of that little world. This band of water may be only a couple feet thick so landing inside is your challenge. Be very diligent in noting where your fish are hitting in the water column, depth-wise. Every strike note the water depth. When a larger fish has hit the ice go right back to that exact depth and work it. Chances are as good as not that larger fish will reward you.

    When you are getting plenty of crappies action on so-so sized fish on a certain color of jig/plastic/bait, try changing to an opposite color for a while. If lesser sized fish are being displaced they may be in an area where light is making your current bait very easy for them to find and if the larger fish are deeper or in a shaded area the color they need to see may be entirely different.

    When I was young I’d have loved to fish this lake as I think it offers some super potential, but just needs to be worked in a way that can find the separation between any larger and smaller fish.

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    #1909754

    there are submergent weeds everywhere the water is less than 8 feet deep.

    As Tom suggested, if you’re looking for a night bite, I’d try to use the moon cycle as a best bet.

    If you want bigger crappie out of this peanut, I’d look into and around the weed edges, look for the best quality weeds you can find. Basin fishing crappie is a staple pattern on many lakes, but not a rule that needs to be followed. Lots of lakes that have quality basin patterns during the ice fishing season can also have good “structure” bites, often with better quality fish. I much prefer hunting crappie shallow than working them in a deeper basin when possible.

    mojo
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    #1909780

    Absolutely spot on the kind of replies I was hoping for. I am grateful you guys took the time to explain in detail how you would approach this body of water.
    What you explained makes perfect sense – the trees absorb heat from the sun and attract bugs, the heat and bugs and cover attract fish.
    Most of the trees are in only 4-6 feet of water, but I’ll start looking in the deeper areas right next to the trees.The water adjacent to the trees was most productive for crappie and bass in open water fishing without a doubt, bluegills were spread everywhere.
    What depths should I target when hunting for shallower fish? I know that standing weeds can be great for finding fish, but I will have to do some work to find them, this lake has no map coverage, so building my own map will be a priority when I can get out on open water, for now, what depths would crappie hold in when they have weeds in shallower water?
    Thanks again guys, very much appreciate your lessons.

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1909861

    Most of the trees are in only 4-6 feet of water

    Its a shame those trees aren’t in that 13-16 foot of water. You’d have the world with a fence around it.

    mojo
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    #1909906

    I’ll have to do some more thorough scouting of the entire lake. I have a Helix 7 that’s supposed to be delivered this week, and I bought it with the intention of creating a map with the Autochart function. This winter, I’ll have to explore by hole hopping, but by next winter I should have a very detailed map.
    There is a small area with trees that are in deeper water, but that group of trees is not near the deeper basin area. That particular area has me concerned since there has been open water among those trees and just adjacent to them for most of this winter – the geese loved it, but I made a mental note to stay off any ice in that area. I’m not sure if there is a spring or perhaps a very slight current, since that area is near where a tiny creek empties into the lake.

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