Confused, mad, embarrassed, intrigued

I circle back to my statement about compliance and listening… when you don’t, no matter your color, you are playing with your life. Period. SOMEBODY tell young males, you are not invincible, you do have to listen to others at times and your life matters. The continued pointing to racism and white cops shoot young black men and ignoring the real issue, will just keep it perpetually happening… and I as a fellow human being, am disgusted by the disservice these young men are receiving from the media and their teachers and their older peers alike.

Feathers wrote:

Did you see all of the news about the white people who were recently shot in Minnesota by police? Yea that is what I thought. It was just a blip on the news because they were white and not black.

Two brothers who shot at police. Guy in Duluth who shot police dog. Carjacker who shot at police. Guy with a knife in Robbinsdale. That’s everyone in 2021 besides Duante Wright as far as I remember, see anything different about those situation? I’m not talking about their race either. Justine Damond was also unarmed and it was more than a blip on the news.

Feathers wrote:

Are you comparing Justine Damond to Daunte Wright and the media attention? If you are let me know how their criminal records, warrants for arrest, resisting police and circumstances of the events compare.

You said the coverage difference was “because they were white and not black” but there are significant other differences as I pointed out. If you agree that their criminal records, warrants, resisting or not, and circumstances (which I already covered) matter to the coverage received then we’re on the same page; it’s not just a matter of being white or black.

Let me know when you hear the story about the thousands of people stopped daily, of all colors, across this country, who comply with officers orders, who are NOT SHOT. We will only hear about those who are shot.. specifically when the media can use race as the motivator. I had the talk from my dad, you respect police, if you get pulled over, you do what they say… that talk needs to be given to every youth of every color… it saves lives. Ignoring it and blaming racism just perpetuates the real problem. Who can disagree with that ? I will give you a pandering example… Chelsea Handler tweeted, young black men might as well not comply because they get shot anyways… what kind of bullsh7t is that ? Just encouraging them to be shot ???!!! Sickening really.

Time to circle this back to the Chauvin case. We have hashed all this over before and it hasn’t solved anything. Just gets people on “time out” or the thread locked down.

Totally relevant Dutch… resisted arrest. Again had he complied, he would probably still be deceased from heart conditions and meth, but it wouldn’t be the cops killed an innocent black man, who was given a gold casket and a glorified martyred funeral.. and a $27m settlement. Totally avoidable if he would not have resisted. When we “give up”, we are giving up on our young males lives mattering, then we are truly lost.

Bearcat89 wrote:

Just maybe it has something to do with criminal behavior.

Wait what?

You mean to tell me more white people get killed by police than any other race? Even all other races combined?

That’s crazy talk, the TV tells me they only kill black people.

#alllivesmatter

It is the same thing with mass shootings… blame the gun. Everyone here knows the gun did not do anything… it is a mental health issue, not a gun issue. More gun laws will not fix mental health, yet the cycle continues, blame the gun, blame the cop… never the actual issue, the mentally disturbed and those who resist police action.

BIG “G” posted:
[Until we can tell ALL people, when you are interacting with a police person, their goal is to control the situation and to go home safe at shift end.. when ANYONE starts acting all crazy, things will escalate quickly. Can we get the message to people of all races… when dealing with police or military (NG) troops, please comply and live. When you get stupid, stupid things happen. It really is that simple, but the media will not put that message out, there is no money in people getting along.]

I totally agree and the media just ignores this seemingly basic FACT!

flatfish wrote:

BIG “G” posted:
[Until we can tell ALL people, when you are interacting with a police person, their goal is to control the situation and to go home safe at shift end.. when ANYONE starts acting all crazy, things will escalate quickly. Can we get the message to people of all races… when dealing with police or military (NG) troops, please comply and live. When you get stupid, stupid things happen. It really is that simple, but the media will not put that message out, there is no money in people getting along.]

I totally agree and the media just ignores this seemingly basic FACT!

The media CHOOSES to ignore the fact on purpose. Rational common sense does not entice enough viewers/listeners.

I saw on the news today where the defense rested. Closings start Monday. Not surprised Chauvin didn’t testify but I am a bit surprised how quick the defense finished up.

Just to show it’s not only Minnesota I saw where a 13 year old was shot and killed by Chicago cops. It’s reported he was running and had a gun.
Another senseless death.

Dutchboy wrote:

Just to show it’s not only Minnesota I saw where a 13 year old was shot and killed by Chicago cops. It’s reported he was running and had a gun.
Another senseless death.

I saw that too last night. The individual ran from the police and was carrying a pistol. When the officer caught up and told him “hands up” he quickly tossed the pistol aside in the alley, threw his hands up, and was shot. There was about a second in between when he tossed the pistol and put his hands up. I don’t know how any person could react that quickly.

Additionally, CBS News posted the body cam footage of this and they literally removed the part when there is a still shot of the suspect holding the pistol! Later on they apologized for removing that part in the video and re-posted it in its entirety.

As sad as it is, it’s not a police, racism, or gun problem. The problem is that a 13yr old boy was in the streets with a gun at night. It’s a parenting problem that shouldn’t be blamed on anything or anyone else.

In most cases, lack of a father in the home.

grubson wrote:

As sad as it is, it’s not a police, racism, or gun problem. The problem is that a 13yr old boy was in the streets with a gun at night. It’s a parenting problem that shouldn’t be blamed on anything or anyone else.

Agree. Do we want a civilized society or not?! There will always be violence and death but FAR LESS in a civilized society.

Talking about hitting the nail on the head.

It’s long but he has it dialed in.

I wonder what’s going through Chauvin’s head this weekend knowing that he most likely only has a few days of freedom left for possibly decades.

Thirteen year olds running around with guns. It’s become a generational problem which makes it that much tougher to correct.

This thread could go on forever considering the frequency of these things.

Thanks for sharing Epg.

Did anyone mention that the 13 year old was with a 21 year old shooting at passing cars at 2:30 A.M.? My Mom and Dad said bed time was 9 when I was 13.

Nelson is doing a very good job with his closing arguments. I could see, by sticking to the letter of the law, how at least one juror could find reasonable doubt and hang the jury. That won’t happen however because it’s impossible to remove emotions from the equation.

The question is, will he get more time than Amy Sensor, another high profile case that Eric Nelson tried.

It’ll be interesting.

suzuki wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>grubson wrote:</div>
As sad as it is, it’s not a police, racism, or gun problem. The problem is that a 13yr old boy was in the streets with a gun at night. It’s a parenting problem that shouldn’t be blamed on anything or anyone else.

Agree. Do we want a civilized society or not?! There will always be violence and death but FAR LESS in a civilized society.

Have you guys seen the video of the 13 year old boy? CBS news actually posted a doctored video where you cannot see the gun in his hand. In the unedited video you can see him throw it behind a fence before turning around and raising his hands. The media is culpable in inciting so much violence and hate. Then we have a congress person from California in Brooklyn Center telling the protestors they need to be “more forceful”!? That evening NG Hummers were shot at. She should be arrested.

There is easily enough proof for their to be doubt within the jury. They it has to be beyond reasonable doubt that Chauvin was the cause of death. I would not be confident saying he was or wasn’t the cause of death. There’s proof from both sides. If he’s convicted as guilty, the jury is scared of what’s going to happen if they let him go. I’ve seen no concrete proof that Chauvin killed him.

I’ve seen a combative suspect that was being restrained. I’ve seen lots of doctors and bystanders share their opinion which means nothing. And I’ve seen toxicology reports with enough drugs to kill anyone. To top it off, the fact that floyd was “falling asleep” and couldn’t be woken up just before the police showed up is more than enough to show that it wasn’t Chauvin that killed floyd.

rjthehunter wrote:

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There is easily enough proof for their to be doubt within the jury.

I agree, but neither you or I are on the jury and neither you or I have been in the courtroom for this entire trial. Even if you have been watching every minute of it on TV, that’s not the same.

Generally, if the jury comes back from deliberation in a short period of time, they have reached a verdict. If it takes a while, its often indecisive.

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>rjthehunter wrote:</div>
2030749
There is easily enough proof for their to be doubt within the jury.

I agree, but neither you or I are on the jury and neither you or I have been in the courtroom for this entire trial. Even if you have been watching every minute of it on TV, that’s not the same.

Generally, if the jury comes back from deliberation in a short period of time, they have reached a verdict. If it takes a while, its often indecisive.

Agreed. I’m just worried that the jury is from the cities and is going to make a decision based on the repurcussions they expect.

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rjthehunter wrote:

Agreed. I’m just worried that the jury is from the cities and is going to make a decision based on the repurcussions they expect.

Yes. How many will acquit him, if they’re worried about they’re own homes and cities being destroyed based off their verdict.

grubson wrote:

As sad as it is, it’s not a police, racism, or gun problem. The problem is that a 13yr old boy was in the streets with a gun at night. It’s a parenting problem that shouldn’t be blamed on anything or anyone else.

X 50 It’s a problem and it is getting worse.

We all have opinions and thoughts…but emotions and feelings aside, what are your predictions for the outcome?

I’m predicting he’s found guilty of the 3rd degree murder charge and second degree manslaughter. I’m thinking they find him not guilty of 2nd degree murder.

2nd degree manslaughter. Too much reasonable doubt for the murder charges. The violation of department policy sinks him with the manslaughter. I sure wouldnt want to be that jury.

Maxine Waters has the judge incensed after shooting her mouth off all weekend in Brooklyn Park. I’m sure it’ll be easy to find and seen often. Worth a watch for sure.
To paraphrase she said anything less than a guilty verdict would result in violence and that would lie with the jury.