I cant believe this thread has stayed civil this long!!!
Wait till some people get off work and start drinking.
Maybe BK is the only one with his finger on the Nuke button today. Despite his poor taste in meat products and Beer – he’s a OK guy !!!!
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Alex Fox wrote:</div>
None of us are in that courtroom, none of us know what’s actually happening.That’s not true. Every second of it will be televised live.
That just made me think of OJ Simpson……
That just made me think of OJ Simpson…
Oh absolutely. This is by far the highest profile case being televised live since the Simpson trial.
Maybe BK is the only one with his finger on the Nuke button today.
I have my fingers crossed and eyes shut.
The media spins the facts so that it creates more news.
This trial has two outcomes and both are bad for Minneapolis (and the country) unless the governor can stop the destruction.
1. white cop not guilty – Racism is still a major, pervasive issue. Proven because the cop got away with murder. Looting and burning.
2. white cop guilty – Racism is still a major, pervasive issue. Proves that all cops are racist murders. Looting and burning.
It would be a story no matter where it was happening. Minneapolis/St.Paul hardly exist to anyone who doesn’t live in or around there. Google Ferguson Missouri.
This trial has two outcomes and both are bad for Minneapolis (and the country) unless the governor can stop the destruction.
Hopefully the governor, mayor, and other authorities are more prepared for whatever outcome occurs. You would certainly hope so based on what happened last year. I think they are, based on the fortress they’ve built in Mpls and the number of National Guard and/or other law enforcement present.
I believe they have spent $32 million prepping for the start of this week.
I believe they have spent $32 million prepping for the start of this week.
That is just mind blowing.
This is too close to home for us. We’re in S Mpls and this summers rioting and looting was right in our backyard. I was up north and had to come home early – sent my wife and daughter to my folks place because it was a literal war zone.
Regardless of politics and where you stand on the trial, I just hope and pray for a peaceful outcome. I don’t want to see my family, friends, neighbors, etc. deal with last summer all over again.
Right on Matt. Good luck to you and your family.
Seems there is no presumption of innocence in this case.
The leaked NY Times story and the MPLS city counsel news release of the civil settlement are both valid reasons for appeal if needed. The trial should have been moved and delayed. This story will be around for years to come.
Also, if Chauvin is not convicted of the second degree murder charge, the charges against the other officers would need to be dropped. There is no such crime on the books for aiding and abetting a 3rd degree murder or man slaughter.
I’m guessing a hung jury and re-trial. We’ll see….
-J.
Glad you brought that up JJ.
Why did the city settle before the trial? Wouldn’t their liability go away if the cops were found innocent? I don’t understand why you settle something that hasn’t been proven yet. If found guilty how much more could it cost them?
I don’t get it.
Let’s hope it goes better than OJ’s… talk about a miscarriage of justice… doubt anybody is writing books “if I did it” after this one.
The leaked NY Times story and the MPLS city counsel news release of the civil settlement are both valid reasons for appeal if needed.
I agree, settling the civil lawsuit during this was a terrible idea. Either post pone it until the criminal trial is done or don’t make it public.
Glad you brought that up JJ.
Why did the city settle before the trial? Wouldn’t their liability go away if the cops were found innocent? I don’t understand why you settle something that hasn’t been proven yet. If found guilty how much more could it cost them?
I don’t get it.
Cops found not guilty in a criminal trial applies a different standard of proof (beyond a reasonable doubt) than the wrongful death civil trial (preponderance of the evidence). That said, I have no clue as to why they settled for that amount or announced the settlement prior to the criminal trial(s). If anyone can explain why the City Council behaves the way they do, please explain it to me.
Regardless of politics and where you stand on the trial, I just hope and pray for a peaceful outcome. I don’t want to see my family, friends, neighbors, etc. deal with last summer all over again.
It’s liked a plugged up toilet that everyone keeps using and no one bothers to take care of. There are deep rooted problems that get the media and others pile on, politicians add more BS and everyone gets more frustrated. But not enough people stop to address the issues and make an effort to do well to all of our fellow Americans. We’re all guilty of it.
It’s sickening to think of but I feel things will continue to escalate regardless of the outcome. Furthermore I think there are a lot of people that are so fed up with the riots/vandalism/destruction/and looting. It’s only a matter of when -not if – someone takes matters into their own hands and starts shooting these horrid people.
I have a lot of differences of opinions with a lot of the protesters I see in Madison on various subjects. But when the assemble peacefully and respect the law, all is good and they are entitled to it. But I think many are at a breaking point with the criminals
If anyone can explain why the City Council behaves the way they do, please explain it to me.
They hate cops…..
-J.
Let’s hope it goes better than OJ’s… talk about a miscarriage of justice… doubt anybody is writing books “if I did it” after this one.
Just shows the difference of a juror seeing everything or censorship. I remember some of the jurors in interviews well after the trial that stated their verdict would have been different if they saw then what the saw afterwards
Right on Matt. Good luck to you and your family.
X2 – praying for calm and peace for all residents and business owners in the area. I just don’t see any outcome to this situation that is going to please everyone. Either way it goes, there is going to be some people upset with the outcome. This whole situation started as a no win situation and will end a no win situation.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
Glad you brought that up JJ.Why did the city settle before the trial? Wouldn’t their liability go away if the cops were found innocent? I don’t understand why you settle something that hasn’t been proven yet. If found guilty how much more could it cost them?
I don’t get it.
Cops found not guilty in a criminal trial applies a different standard of proof (beyond a reasonable doubt) than the wrongful death civil trial (preponderance of the evidence). That said, I have no clue as to why they settled for that amount or announced the settlement prior to the criminal trial(s). If anyone can explain why the City Council behaves the way they do, please explain it to me.
Brad is correct. A not guilty in a criminal trial has no bearing on the outcome of a civil Trial. You have to believe the city knew they were going to have to pay in a civil trial not matter what, and think the amount they paid was less than it may have ended up being.
I just don’t see a way this trial can be fair in anyway. The Jury, attorneys, and judge all got to be thinking of what the aftermath of this decision is going to be. The aftermath should have no bearing on the decision made – But will !!! You have to feel this trial is being decided just as much outside the courthouse as inside it.
You have to believe the city knew they were going to have to pay in a civil trial not matter what, and think the amount they paid was less than it may have ended up being.
I think you’re right. Minneapolis, essentially, was going to pay and pay big time. It only would get bigger if there is a guilty verdict in the criminal trial because then there is no chance whatsoever of getting out of a civil trial without huge damage awards. The settlement was a calculated gamble by Minneapolis because there is no limit to punative damages should the civil trial get in front of a jury.
Judging by what Minneapolis paid out in the Justine Ruszczyk-Damond shooting, Minneapolis made a safe settlement in the Floyd case. Much safer to lock in a settlement than risk a jury going way, way higher and the litigation costs alone for the civil case would be in the millions and if the jury went big-big, the appeals to try to get the verdict reduced would add millions more on top of that.
As far as the public interest and media attention, I’m not sure what people expected? It’s the highest-profile police brutality case since Rodney King. You thought the whole country would just forget about the actual trial if only “the media” wouldn’t report on it?
Sorta hard to forget and dismiss the video everyone saw…
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>fishthumper wrote:</div>
You have to believe the city knew they were going to have to pay in a civil trial not matter what, and think the amount they paid was less than it may have ended up being.I think you’re right. Minneapolis, essentially, was going to pay and pay big time. It only would get bigger if there is a guilty verdict in the criminal trial because then there is no chance whatsoever of getting out of a civil trial without huge damage awards. The settlement was a calculated gamble by Minneapolis because there is no limit to punative damages should the civil trial get in front of a jury.
Judging by what Minneapolis paid out in the Justine Ruszczyk-Damond shooting, Minneapolis made a safe settlement in the Floyd case. Much safer to lock in a settlement than risk a jury going way, way higher and the litigation costs alone for the civil case would be in the millions and if the jury went big-big, the appeals to try to get the verdict reduced would add millions more on top of that.
As far as the public interest and media attention, I’m not sure what people expected? It’s the highest-profile police brutality case since Rodney King. You thought the whole country would just forget about the actual trial if only “the media” wouldn’t report on it?
Spot on. That settlement is significantly cheaper than what could come with a full guilty verdict on all charges.
I do not agree with the settlement being public, but what is truly kept private in current times? The city also has no concerns about finding an impartial jury. The people making decisions for the city want this done, over with, and guilty verdicts. Much like most people in current times, the decision makers for the city chose to check something off their “to-do” list without hesitation even if it could create other problems or jeopardizes the process as a whole.
My Prediction: This case concludes faster than many anticipate with guilty verdicts on the 2nd degree manslaughter charge and third degree murder. Second degree will not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt as it is defined in the State of Minnesota.
Witness testimony got more interesting today. The female EMT witness had to be reminded of court rules by Cahill. “Do not argue with counsel. Answer their questions and do not offer any extra information. I will tell you when your testimony is over.” Judge Cahill laying down the law in his courtroom!
Sounds like he is censoring. “I will tell you when your testimony is over” ? Did he really say that ? Leaning towards embarrassing there.
Sounds like he is censoring. “I will tell you when your testimony is over” ? Did he really say that ? Leaning towards embarrassing there.
It’s a criminal trial, not the media. Cahill makes the rules in compliance with the Minnesota Rules of Criminal Procedure. Witnesses don’t get to editorialize.
I always thought you describe in your own words, what you seen.
I always thought you describe in your own words, what you seen.
You do, but it’s in the form of an answer to a question asked by a lawyer. From what I understand one gal seemed agitated by the cross-examination and eventually turned at him and asked if he (attorney) had seen someone die. That’s why the judge stepped in and corrected her and reminded her of judicial process.
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