Climate Change

riverbassman wrote:

Two things:

so, if you don’t want to leave this earth in good shape for the next generation or next after that (and so on), just keep denying it and deny actual science!

Don’t kid yourself, watch the news some time. The human race will kill itself off long before climate change or global warming have a chance.

sticker wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>riverbassman wrote:</div>
Two things:

so, if you don’t want to leave this earth in good shape for the next generation or next after that (and so on), just keep denying it and deny actual science!

Don’t kid yourself, watch the news some time. The human race will kill itself off long before climate change or global warming have a chance.

There isnt much stopping it. Move north build a bunker and hide your families. Climate change is going to happen regardless. But you and I wont ever see it

Dont forget your tin foil hats
Unless we are now against the process of making tinfoil as well

riverbassman wrote:

Two things:
1. The worst possible name ever given to this issue is “Global Warming” as every time it is cold out, people say “what about global warming”. Now every time you say Climate change, people say “what about global warming?

2. for anyone to deny we are not experiencing some type of climate change, you are simply choosing not to see it happening. Yes, the earth will go through her changes and eventually an ice age will happen again…. but the process is accelerated by man. Science proves this is true!
so, if you don’t want to leave this earth in good shape for the next generation or next after that (and so on), just keep denying it and deny actual science!

Are you familiar with the phrase multicollinearity? When looking at global climate change, there are nearly unlimited variables to analyze before determining whether humans are having an impact. Global science models take a handful of these, most are correlated make pretty charts that show carbon emission tracking with the last 100 yrs of climate change. It is easy to eliminate carbon emissions and replace it with population (or dozens of other factors), tweak the numbers and get identical results.

I am not saying humans do or don’t have an impact. More study is needed, it is FAR from settled science. Anyone that tells you we know and the case is settled is concerned about the validity of their own data and analysis. If they knew they were right, they would encourage peer review and further discussions that would only support their conclusions.

No empirical evidence of man made global warming,

Artic ice free by 2010: fail
Artic Ice free by 2015: Fail
Artic Ice free by the “hottest year on record” 2016 Fail
Florida, Maldives under water: fail
More hurricanes and or more intense hurricane’s : Fail
More Forest Fires: Fail
The end of Snow: Fail
Cherry Blossoms in DC blooming in Winter: Fail
Refugees fleeing to Antartica: Fail
Permanent Droughts in the SW: Fail

Need I add More?

hundreds of Headlines in the 1970’s read of catastrophic global cooling.

15 years later, all of a sudden its man made global warming by some of the same scientists crying global cooling.

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DTW wrote:

hundreds of Headlines in the 1970’s read of catastrophic global cooling.

Yep, that is what I remember being taught in grade school.

-J.

NCAR released this in 1974:

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NCAR released this “updated” chart in 2018. Makes you go Hmmm. Lets cool the past and warm the present. What do we get? More Grant money!!

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They were off a few years.

I meant to say NASA released the updated data not NCAR on the above chart. There is email proof of tampering.

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1.4 billion people in China. 1.34 billion people in India. Billions of people worldwide (that’s billions with a B) pumping out pollution 24 hours a day. Every day.

But yeah…. one must be stark raving mad to think that would have a damaging effect on the planet after awhile.

Not to mention…. science suggests that it is.

Carbon is the gas of life and an increase in Carbon cannot raise the temperature of the earth. It is against the laws of physics. (Henry’s Law)

Pollution is a different story. Lets clean it up and make the earth a better place to live.

Stop the nonsense of Carbon pollution, Carbon credits etc. Global warming theory is just a theory.

I meant to say CO2 is the gas of life sorry.

there is a lot of good science out there,and a lot of crap science.
find out who is writing their paychecks before you believe any of them.

as I have said before,we can harm our environment,when left alone nature rights our wrongs,many examples of this world wide.
we are powerless to affect climate,weather,volcanoes,the moon and suns pull on the earths gravitational field,sunspots etc.

if you take the time to look at how many meteorites have hit this old earth before man was here and the devastation they left behind as an example,man hasnt created anything that powerful yet,nor will he, yet the earth is still here and it still gets warm in summer and cold in winter.
one thing some overlook,man made a calendar and put dates on it that we live by and record things on those dates.
the earth and everything in and around it does not know what a calendar or normal is.

one other thought,everything man uses for fuel not counting nuclear energy came from the earth.
if the earth made them,it can handle them being consumed.

lindyrig79 wrote:

1.4 billion people in China. 1.34 billion people in India. Billions of people worldwide (that’s billions with a B) pumping out pollution 24 hours a day. Every day.

But yeah…. one must be stark raving mad to think that would have a damaging effect on the planet after awhile.

Not to mention…. science suggests that it is.

This is what I mentioned in my first reply. Population is a bigger problem than climate change. And mother nature will take care of it eventually. Something like the 1918 flu wipes out 1/3 or 1/2 of the worlds population in short order.

-J.

lindyrig79 wrote:

1.4 billion people in China. 1.34 billion people in India. Billions of people worldwide (that’s billions with a B) pumping out pollution 24 hours a day. Every day.

But yeah…. one must be stark raving mad to think that would have a damaging effect on the planet after awhile.

Look up a list of the most polluted cities in the world. About 85 of the 100 worst are all in India or China. How can the rest of the world make those countries clean up???
Is it any wonder why those countries can produce products cheaper than companies in the USA.

mxskeeter wrote:

Something like the 1918 flu wipes out 1/3 or 1/2 of the worlds population in short order.

Careful about mentioning the flu around here. A post from a few months ago proved that about 90% of IDOs population think they’re smarter than the people that recommend the flu shot. Oh, and vaccines cause autism too…

You’re right, it really is only a matter of time before another outbreak comes along.

The “Green Approach”

New technology’s that employ a new market is bad?

Hail Coal! and bow to those that do not want to accept change and rather have you be dead before your parents that said go into a different line of work and do not let the government tell you there is no alternative.

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FishBlood&RiverMud wrote:

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Best comment of all 4 pages

tbro16 wrote:

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Something like the 1918 flu wipes out 1/3 or 1/2 of the worlds population in short order.

Careful about mentioning the flu around here. A post from a few months ago proved that about 90% of IDOs population think they’re smarter than the people that recommend the flu shot. Oh, and vaccines cause autism too…

You’re right, it really is only a matter of time before another outbreak comes along.

Thanks for making me spit beer on my screen Lol

Where the hell did you read that the 1918 flu killed 30-50% of the world’s population??

According to my Minnesota-Math is was around 2.5%…….

We could use a few of those pandemics….. especially in very particular areas of the planet (like parts of Chicago)

Here’s a great article written in 1958 and published in Harper’s Magazine. This was before all the global warming political hype. What is interesting is that it agrees with the current warming trend. https://harpers.org/archive/1958/09/the-coming-ice-age/

B-man wrote:

We could use a few of those pandemics….. especially in very particular areas of the planet (like parts of Chicago)

And yankees fans

Iowaboy1 wrote:

there is a lot of good science out there,and a lot of crap science.
find out who is writing their paychecks before you believe any of them.

I’ll be honest, I haven’t researched much on the subject for this very reason. It’s challenging (or I’m too lazy) to dig into the details behind the data being presented to understand what (if any) bias is behind the data.

I think the best thing I have seen in the 5 min I have spent reading this post is the link to the CDIAC data. It’s easy to see that Co2 level have increased since 1900, going above historic highs. What that means in the long run…guess I have more reading to do between shoveling and blowing snow this weekend…..

Iowa, any particular science/studies on the subject you consider more valid?

This is a topic that can be spun to fit just about every narrative possible. There is so much scientific data that contradicts other scientific data that it’s basicly a big bowl of spaghetti data.

How many pages would this thread be in say, June?

Serious question. How many of you think about or research climate change a regular basis?

belletaine wrote:

This is a topic that can be spun to fit just about every narrative possible. There is so much scientific data that contradicts other scientific data that it’s basicly a big bowl of spaghetti data.

How many pages would this thread be in say, June?

Serious question. How many of you think about or research climate change a regular basis?

I do regular research on it, so many times a week

I do regular research on it, so many times a week

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Why? And how does that work out for you ?

I have a scientific background, engineering and biology. From the very beginning of the man made global warming scare starting in the 80’s I was skeptical. I started to discover many biases and untruths about the data and that the main basis of the man made global warming scare was CO2. CO2 cannot increase global temperature. Its not physically or even theoretically possible.
The predictions made over 30 years ago have never materialized yet the sky is falling mentality of these alarmists continues. When politicians start to enact laws that affect my pocketbook because of a failed theory I get involved.
There are more people now that believe Man Made Global warming is a scam. The fact is the earth is on a cooling trend.

How many conservatives believe in Global warming vs. Liberals? Its political.

Serious answer, this thread is the only research I have done on it. Just being honest…