Climate Change

Anyone remember the 57 days we had below zero in 2012? Or the 53 days below zero in 2013 – that kept ice on the lakes North of the metro for opener that year. 2015 was no walk in the park either. Or last year’s brutal winter coupled with the late April 20 inches of snow. Then there’s this winter…

We had one warm, early Spring in 2017 and sure there have always been periods of warmer than normal temps at some point. But overall it seems we’ve been on a gradual cooling trend the past 5-7 years.

The Northeast US has been colder than usual the last few years, and even Phoenix has been unseasonably cold this winter.

Becoming hard to listen to the global warming argument anymore or is it just me?

From my view, our winter’s have maybe started later, but end later also. Not as much snow or bitter cold for deer hunting as back when, but maybe more ice n snow in April and May. So many things happen in our lives everyday. Why worry about something that’s been happening on it’s own? We might be responsible for speeding up climate change, but I tune it out. It’s being used and pushed as a political agenda more than anything.

Becoming hard to listen to the global warming argument anymore or is it just me?
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It was hard to listen to in the first place. So no it’s not just you

FryDog62 wrote:

Becoming hard to listen to the global warming argument anymore or is it just me?

It’s not just you. Many seem content to deny the scientific fact that our planet is changing.

Weather is not the same thing as climate.

I’m going to say something controversial. As a climate scientist, I predict a sustained, noticeable, and severe cooling trend across the Northern Hemisphere. The cold will begin soon, if it hasn’t already, and last until at least the end of the year. Some regions will freeze, it will snow, and climate deniers will gloat. The cause is a phenomenon that, while mysterious, is known to science. We call it “winter.” — Kate Marvel, Scientfic American — written September 2018

C’mon man. Keep up with the current events.

http://www.earthsky.org/earth/how-polar-vortex-connected-to-global-warming

Officially, I am of the belief that our planet is warming. The problem I have is what to expect as far as effects. It seems these climate geniuses don’t have a clue what to expect as a result.

Research great lakes ice cover once. The great lakes have been described as the lightening rod for climate change. We should expect to see less winter ice cover and lower water levels due to evaporation.

Well, 4 of the past 6 seasons we have seen above average ice cover and lake levels are near all time highs.

How could we have been blessed with 10,000 lakes from melted glaciers to fish if climate change wasn’t real? Now humans, fossil fuel and farting cows as the problem I will never buy that argument!

Any chance the human effect on the climate is overplayed? The Iceland volcano eruption in 2010 put more new greenhouse gases in the atmosphere than the 70 years of unleaded gas use..

…….I love this one……

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https://www.glerl.noaa.gov/data/ice/historicalAnim/

5-7 years is a pretty small cross-section of time to base an observation on, given that the planet is approximately 4.5 billion years old. I would encourage people to look at the temperature data for at least the last 50 years to establish any sort of a real pattern. Also, it’s important to remember that “climate change” is just that, change. The scientific community has repeatedly stated that warming climates worldwide will result in vastly different weather patterns across the globe. Climate change is a natural phenomenon, yes, but the evidence strongly points to the human race as accelerating the process, faster than the planet, and people, can adapt.

Pailofperch wrote:

From my view, our winter’s have maybe started later, but end later also. Not as much snow or bitter cold for deer hunting as back when, but maybe more ice n snow in April and May. So many things happen in our lives everyday. Why worry about something that’s been happening on it’s own? We might be responsible for speeding up climate change, but I tune it out. It’s being used and pushed as a political agenda more than anything.

I just read somewhere that the Magnetic poles are moving 32 miles a year. Magnetic North Pole is almost to Siberia. I wonder if this type of thing has anything to do with our winters?

Bearcat89 wrote:

Becoming hard to listen to the global warming argument anymore or is it just me?

It was hard to listen to in the first place. So no it’s not just you
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X2 Its been changing for the last 10,000 + years. What the hell do people expect???

I agree on cleaning up the pollution, which is a completely different animal. I vote that we abolish road salt first!!!!

Oh Goodie… things were just starting to get “boring” around here

In all seriousness…. I am somewhere on the middle on this topic. Do I think the climate is changing? Sure. But over what time frames and do we really have enough data to say for sure what is going on? No.

But that doesn’t mean we should take an ‘Eff It’ attitude. I do think we should work towards cleaner energy, reducing carbon emissions, and reducing pollution in general. It’s good to have goals

I just read somewhere that the Magnetic poles are moving 32 miles a year. Magnetic North Pole is almost to Siberia. I wonder if this type of thing has anything to do with our winters?
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Yes they are! How this effects climate nobody really knows.

It is good to have goals… My goal is to fish walleye and hunt white tails until one of the following happens:
Yellowstone erupts again
The magnetic poles reverse and I get lost in the woods forever
A meteor hits the earth

You really can’t look at it from one geographical location or at one point in time. Sure it seems like we’ve had some rough winters lately. But on a global scale, I think the 4 of the 5 hottest years on record have occurred in the past 5 years.

We’re in pretty good shape here with the abundance of freshwater and natural resources but in places like the coasts or out west, these weather catastrophies are real. Floods and wildfires are only going to get more frequent and become stronger.

I believe the climate is/ has always been changing. Before humans were here and after we are gone.
The question is, has the human race affected the climate?

Pailofperch wrote:

From my view, our winter’s have maybe started later, but end later also.

I agree. Winter is starting later and ending later.

Let’s not forget, we were in shorts and T-Shirts in January this year

tmyboy2001 wrote:

5-7 years is a pretty small cross-section of time to base an observation on, given that the planet is approximately 4.5 billion years old. I would encourage people to look at the temperature data for at least the last 50 years to establish any sort of a real pattern. Also, it’s important to remember that “climate change” is just that, change. The scientific community has repeatedly stated that warming climates worldwide will result in vastly different weather patterns across the globe. Climate change is a natural phenomenon, yes, but the evidence strongly points to the human race as accelerating the process, faster than the planet, and people, can adapt.

That’s a great point but what exactly should we expect? A lot of what has been happening worldwide hasn’t been predicted and some contradicts what was predicted. How are supposed to trust them when they’ve been wrong on the effects.

The effects are the most important part and they can’t even get that right.

There was an article not too long ago that said NOAA’s data on the baseline temps everything is being compared against was audited and found to be less than completely accurate. The stated 1.8 degree increase over the past 50 years was actually less than that. Anyone have that article or know if it’s conclusions were validated?

Don’t Tell Anyone, But We Just Had Two Years Of Record-Breaking Global Cooling

What was the average temp in MN on March 6 10,001 BC?

outdoorsmn wrote:

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From my view, our winter’s have maybe started later, but end later also.

I agree. Winter is starting later and ending later.

Let’s not forget, we were in shorts and T-Shirts in January this year

I apparently forgot about that…..when exactly was is 75 degrees out in January??

I remember 40’s and a little rain once or twice??

Please stop worrying, too late to fix anything. The world is ending in 12 years according to one NY rocket scientist. I personally am excited to take the train from California to Hawaii.

FryDog62 wrote:

The Northeast US has been colder than usual the last few years, and even Phoenix has been unseasonably cold this winter.

Becoming hard to listen to the global warming argument anymore or is it just me?

It’s just you. It’s just you cherry picking facts to get the answer you want to hear.

You are pointing to weather anomalies, not climate changes. Just because the average daytime high temp in MN in February is 31 doesn’t mean that every day below 31 is proof that the Earth isn’t warming.

The reality is that 2015 was the warmest year on record period. 2016-2018 were all years that had average temperatures above the long-term average. 2006–2015 was the warmest decade on record. Global average surface temperature has risen at an average rate of 0.15°F per decade since 1900.

Grouse

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

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The Northeast US has been colder than usual the last few years, and even Phoenix has been unseasonably cold this winter.

Becoming hard to listen to the global warming argument anymore or is it just me?

It’s just you. It’s just you cherry picking facts to get the answer you want to hear.

You are pointing to weather anomalies, not climate changes. Just because the average daytime high temp in MN in February is 31 doesn’t mean that every day below 31 is proof that the Earth isn’t warming.

The reality is that 2015 was the warmest year on record period. 2016-2018 were all years that had average temperatures above the long-term average. 2006–2015 was the warmest decade on record. Global average surface temperature has risen at an average rate of 0.15°F per decade since 1900.

Grouse

Better sell that pickup and stop burning all that gas/diesel planting food plots. Also, register them guns! I think youve been working with too many millennials my man. Of course the climate is changing. it has since the beginning of… well the climate.. The question that no one can answer without some sort of political agenda is what or how much impact we humans have on that changing.

Climate change started the moment the earth came into being and will continue as long as the earth supports an atmosphere. Since the industrial revolution man has had an impact on this change. How much can be debated.Common sense tells us that we should implement reasonable efforts to lower emissions and pollutants to our air and water. We also need to continue and support research on renewable energy and cleaner ways to use fossil fuels. That being said, deforestation, increases in hardscape, and the huge industrial pollution from India and China the are the major contributors to man influenced climate change. We need to be careful that we don’t impose costs and changes to our society out of proportion to the positive impact those costs can attain or may be designed to enrich a few with little or no real impact.

There’s no doubt the planet is warming…but yeah, I’m in agreeance that this has been happening since the dawn of time.

Eelpoutguy wrote:

What was the average temp in MN on March 6 10,001 BC?

I don’t know about MN, but here in WI they didn’t start writing things down yet. But the drawings over here on the cave walls look like this

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What can definitely be said is our winters over the past handful of years have been all over the map.

If people recall the spring of 2012 had record early ice outs. 2013 had record late ice outs. The winter of 2013-2014 was one of the severest on record followed by 3 mild winters (2015, 2016 & 2017). Late ice out again last spring in 2018.

This winter has been the winter of two halves. Mild for the first 45 days with rain and a brown Christmas followed by severe conditions for the next 45 days. It’s almost like we skipped Dec & Feb and had two Novembers and two Januarys.

The thing to remember is weather obviously changes from day-to-day, week-to-week, etc. There’s nothing that says you cant have a prolonged seasonal weather pattern be-it, warm, cold, wet or dry. Climate however is a statistical analysis of weather taken from many data points. From a climate perspective the question isn’t what did the last five Februarys do. The question is: based on the last 100 Februarys is there an observable trend in weather phenomenon that would represent a departure from the long term statistical “average” or weather event probability.