Charging starting & house battery?

  • gregl2017
    Posts: 242
    #1832770

    Wondering if anybody has used a DC charger to charge the starting and house battery.

    The Yamaha 115 VMAX has a 35 amp alternator. So I’m wondering if the minn kota dc charger would charge these 2 batteries?

    Also, wondering if I have to worry about interference on the electronics when trolling with the main motor?

    patk
    Nisswa, MN
    Posts: 1997
    #1832966

    The starting battery is already getting a charge off the alternator so you’re good there.

    If you want to capture amps from the alternator for the house battery, the MK1 DC is the ticket. I did way too much research on this a couple years back so feel free to pass on the rest, it’s going to be long crazy

    MK DC chargers take “surplus” amps once the main battery is charged. It has a sensor that acts like a gate, once the main battery is high enough then the charger activates to send amps downstream.

    Up to 50% of your 35 amps needed to run the motor and the rest can to to batteries. MK has recommended minimums depending on how many banks. MK 1(bank) = 10 amps, MK2 = 20 amps.

    ex. I have a 25 amp on my Yamaha 115 and the MK2 DC for my TM batteries. at 10 amp/bank I’ll never fully utilize the charger or meet the minimum recommended. Per call to MK, that’s okay as it will still use what is available. So I’ll still be getting approx 10-15 amps(5-7.5/bank) after my starting battery is charged while I’m making a long run.

    Expectations – these are not miracle devices but more of a supplement. If you need 6 hours @ 10 amps to charge at the end of a hard day, one 40 minute run isn’t going to cut it. This is the domain of AC onboard or external chargers.

    If you’re really hard on batteries then getting some ampsreplenished using gas you’re already burning, Bingo! If you remote camp and/or have limited access to AC power overnight, it’s almost a hard requirement. If you are out for 4 hours and don’t drain batteries very much, money may be spent elsewhere.

    My setup:
    1 starting and 2 tm batteries
    3 bank MK 315d AC onboard charger(wish it were 330)
    2 bank MK 2 DC to capture surplus amps up to the tm batteries

    SuperDave1959
    Harrisville, UT
    Posts: 2816
    #1832971

    If you tie your starting battery and house battery to a Perko switch you can charge both with the motor.

    gregl2017
    Posts: 242
    #1833043

    Thanks for all the info! I am only planning to run electronics off the second battery, heading sensors, 2 helix 10 G2Ns.

    Not sure how long they will run on a battery without charging but I would like to be able to get 6 to 8 hours between charges.

    So the minnkota dc charger would only be on the starting and house battery )

    SuperDave1959
    Harrisville, UT
    Posts: 2816
    #1833047

    Does the DC charger charge without the motor running? What we are trying to explain is that you don’t need the DC charger to do that.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1833157

    As long as your motor is running. Keep that in mind if you normally make short runs.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10436
    #1833163

    If you own a Yacht, lets say on the river, don’t you typically have a personal assistant monitor you batteries for you? whistling

    Tim Bossert
    Cochrane, WI
    Posts: 429
    #1833272

    To be clear, you are talking about a dedicated starter battery, and a dedicated house battery for electronics, NOT a starter and trolling motor batteries as some have mentioned above, correct?

    Just got one of these and am wiring it up this winter. Does everything you want. Alternator tied to starter battery, will charge both once starter is fully charged. Battery charger tied to house battery and will top off starter when it is fully charged on land. Works both directions.

    https://www.bluesea.com/products/7601/m-Series__Automatic_Charging_Relay_-_12_24V_DC_65A

    gregl2017
    Posts: 242
    #1833300

    Hi Tim,

    You are correct just charging the starter and house battery when running )

    patk
    Nisswa, MN
    Posts: 1997
    #1833341

    If you tie your starting battery and house battery to a Perko switch you can charge both with the motor.

    Not a bad idea for the house battery question here. Less cost and less crap to wire.

    Just got one of these and am wiring it up this winter. Does everything you want. Alternator tied to starter battery, will charge both once starter is fully charged. Battery charger tied to house battery and will top off starter when it is fully charged on land. Works both directions.

    https://www.bluesea.com/products/7601/m-Series__Automatic_Charging_Relay_-_12_24V_DC_65A

    When I looked at this one I didn’t realize it would wait until the starter is fully charged. Good to know. For a one bank application does the Minnkota hold any advantages over this? MK 1 DC is about $20 more.

    gregl2017
    Posts: 242
    #1833342

    I’m wondering if either of these kick over to the house battery while your trolling, would you experience any kind of interference on your graphs.

    Tim Bossert
    Cochrane, WI
    Posts: 429
    #1833351

    In theory, you are always hooked up to the battery, so there shouldn’t be any difference from a single battery. Just starts charging. Do you see interference while running with a single battery? Again, in theory you should not.

    There always could be interference, but then turning on the noise rejection in the sonar would help. Understand there are a lot of variables, but it should be unnoticeable. I have yet to use mine, so don’t quote me just yet. waytogo

    Good luck and report back!

    SuperDave1959
    Harrisville, UT
    Posts: 2816
    #1833379

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>SuperDave1959 wrote:</div>
    If you tie your starting battery and house battery to a Perko switch you can charge both with the motor.

    Not a bad idea for the house battery question here. Less cost and less crap to wire.

    The correct Perko has a A battery setting, a B battery setting and a Both setting. You can charge each battery individually or both at the same time.

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