Cell phones in schools.

Bearcat89 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Michael Obremski wrote:</div>
Homeschooling is the answer! Screw having the public school system shove their garbage down kids throats. And parents can directly raise their kids while disciplining for the phone problem. Kids are also getting phones way to early i didnt get a phone till the age of 17.

Home schooling would be great if we could. But the working life gets in the way, as for cells for kids it’s kind of the thing after the house phone went away.

Understand but whats happened to stay at home moms. My mom is and her mom and my dads mom were stay at home. The dad is supposed to be the breadwinner while the mom takes care of the home and kids.

Michael Obremski wrote:

The dad is supposed to be the breadwinner while the mom takes care of the home and kids.

So now you’re saying that women have no place in the workforce outside of the household?

I think about half the population in this country might have a bone to chew with you on that. Talk about a sexist comment

Michael there is a time when we all know when to stop typing and pay attention. Just saying.

gim wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Michael Obremski wrote:</div>
The dad is supposed to be the breadwinner while the mom takes care of the home and kids.

So now you’re saying that women have no place in the workforce outside of the household?

I think about half the population in this country might have a bone to chew with you on that. Talk about a sexist comment

Nothing sexist about i didnt say they had no place in the work force its just not their first responsibility if they have a family.

chuck100 wrote:

Michael there is a time when we all know when to stop typing and pay attention. Just saying.

So far as paying attention did u even read my post before last? Homeschooling and stay at home moms have been around for a lot longer than public schools and they have proven they work. I know multiple families who get along amazingly with homeschooling and stay at home moms. Not saying public school families are no good, just saying the proven system is better. As for typing i could guarantee i spend less time on tech than just about anybody on this forum.

So far as paying attention did u even read my post before last? Homeschooling and stay at home moms have been around for a lot longer than public schools and they have proven they work. I know multiple families who get along amazingly with homeschooling and stay at home moms. Not saying public school families are no good, just saying the proven system is better. As for typing i could guarantee i spend less time on tech than just about anybody on this forum.
[/quote] i’m guessing it all depends on the mom……some have good careers…..or maybe just dont want to be stay at home moms……..

what about the dads……….some are stay at home dads!!!

Michael Obremski wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>chuck100 wrote:</div>
Michael there is a time when we all know when to stop typing and pay attention. Just saying.

So far as paying attention did u even read my post before last? Homeschooling and stay at home moms have been around for a lot longer than public schools and they have proven they work. I know multiple families who get along amazingly with homeschooling and stay at home moms. Not saying public school families are no good, just saying the proven system is better. As for typing i could guarantee i spend less time on tech than just about anybody on this forum.

That makes sense. Probably not internet service at the rock you live under.

Michael Obremski wrote:

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Michael, be careful how you write things. We’re all entitled to our own opinions. Plus, people will always read between the lines instead of trying to grasp what it is you’re trying to say.

I understand. My wife and I decided before marriage to have her stay at home and raise our family. We also homeschool all our children. The oldest 3 have graduated with top grades. That’s when they get a gift of a cell phone from us. My kids have plenty of friends that go to public schools, and none of my kids feel slighted for not having a phone earlier. They see the distractions and problems that come from over use by watching their friends.

I have tremendous respect for all the teachers in the public school system these days. It was difficult enough back when I was a kid already (80’s) It seemed as though teachers at least had some authority and ways to discipline misbehaving kids. Doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. And now throw in cell phones! I couldn’t imagine how difficult and stressful this can make your average school day.

gim wrote:

I think about half the population in this country might have a bone to chew with you on that. Talk about a sexist comment

So, your saying half also agree with him? Then he could be just as right as you are wrong. And that wasn’t always a sexist thought. It used to be the overwhelming popular opinion.

Matt Moen wrote:

That makes sense. Probably not internet service at the rock you live under.

Think about that one for a second…. He’s on an Internet forum…..

Pailofperch wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Michael Obremski wrote:</div>
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Michael, be careful how you write things. We’re all entitled to our own opinions. Plus, people will always read between the lines instead of trying to grasp what it is you’re trying to say.

I understand. My wife and I decided before marriage to have her stay at home and raise our family. We also homeschool all our children. The oldest 3 have graduated with top grades. That’s when they get a gift of a cell phone from us. My kids have plenty of friends that go to public schools, and none of my kids feel slighted for not having a phone earlier. They see the distractions and problems that come from over use by watching their friends.

I have tremendous respect for all the teachers in the public school system these days. It was difficult enough back when I was a kid already (80’s) It seemed as though teachers at least had some authority and ways to discipline misbehaving kids. Doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. And now throw in cell phones! I couldn’t imagine how difficult and stressful this can make your average school day.

absolutly agree especially with people being entitled to there own opinions. Sometimes i word things a little too bluntly. My apologies.

Michael Obremski wrote:

The dad is supposed to be the breadwinner while the mom takes care of the home and kids.

According to who?

Gitchi Gummi wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Michael Obremski wrote:</div>
The dad is supposed to be the breadwinner while the mom takes care of the home and kids.

According to who?

people have the right to their own choices in most matters including this one but what was just described was intended from creation.

Michael Obremski wrote:

Homeschooling is the answer! Screw having the public school system shove their garbage down kids throats. And parents can directly raise their kids while disciplining for the phone problem. Kids are also getting phones way to early i didnt get a phone till the age of 17.

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so a year or so ago?

LabDaddy1 wrote:

Also, all a kid has to do is say they didn’t bring it today or that they left it somewhere or let their friend borrow it, all the while it’s in their pocket or backpack. What’s a teacher/staff member gonna do, pat them down? Make them walk thru phone detector devices? Wand them down with a cellphone wand?

Just too tough to enforce for government and schools IMO.

Teacher here as well. Have tried the phone caddy thing (my high school says phones should be put away during class but no real teeth and many teachers don’t follow) and it’s a hassle. 75% of kids are good about it but you get the ones who are always trying to get around it and as a teacher it becomes a pain in the rear to police and I’d rather worry about teaching than be a cell phone cop. The schools I’ve heard of “banning” them seem to have positive reports, often times kids even report that they enjoy feeling free from them. Appalling how many parents text/IG their kids all day long while they’re at school. Sad how many kids don’t even talk to any peers at school, just play on their phone every free second.
I teach upper level science classes and it is sad to see how many kids who “struggle” or say a class is “too hard” or that a teacher isn’t good spend every free second mindlessly staring at their phone and I don’t think really ever study. Mind you, plenty of kids still do work hard and do what they need to do well. So many kids rush through the work so they can get back to playing on their phone “well I’m done with my work” and you look at the work they’ve done and it’s total garbage. That’s my biggest beef with the phones, no attention span and attention to detail on their learning. And yes, the amount of phone/social media drama our administrators have to deal with is disgusting. Plenty of research out there that anxiety and depression are way up in kids since smartphones came about. I can’t imagine if I would have had one of those things in my hands 24 hours a day when I was 13.

Michael Obremski wrote:

people have the right to their own choices in most matters including this one but what was just described was intended from creation.

go on… please expand on your thought process. some fictional character in your head told you that women shouldn’t work?

My wife has been a teacher for over 15 years and has worked in several district and has never been closer to leaving the profession. She teaches second grade. She is at the point of filling out applications. Loves the Kids but the lack of support and resources is getting to her.

i might be a minority here, but i dont think home schooling is good for the kids. they get no interaction with other kids, out in the daily social environment in a school day, much less after school activities.

i have softened my stand on it however, have neighbor that home schooled there kids and they are fine, i dont know what the stay at home person had to do to homeschool kids, but i seen first hand how its done now. the kids face is planted it a tablet or something like it talking to a teacher. i question there handwriting ability’s as well as reading!

this from what i seen with my wifes son and his wife. i dont know what his wife is as far as being educated, but by being around her she’s not the brightest bulb. as far as the wifes son……i know his reading level…..like 5th grade. not someone i could have faith in teaching……period. hench the screen in front of there face.

Michael Obremski wrote:

people have the right to their own choices in most matters including this one

That is correct.

Michael Obremski wrote:

but what was just described was intended from creation.

And that is your opinion, not a fact.

what really freaks me out is the change in teaching methods from the time i went to school even to the point of when my kids went to school….trying to help them with homework was NOT how i was taught!!!!

glenn57 wrote:

what really freaks me out is the change in teaching methods from the time i went to school even to the point of when my kids went to school….trying to help them with homework was NOT how i was taught!!!!

Like anything else, many things have changed for the better as well. I’m with you it wasn’t how I was taught, but that’s a good thing in some cases.

The math program my kids use in junior high and high school is vastly superior to the way it was taught when I was in school. Way less focus on outcome alone, way more focus on understanding the process and multiple ways of accomplishing a concept. They know way more about what they are doing, why, and how it might be utilized than I ever did.

Mrs Grouse, who BTW certainly does not believe that a woman’s place is only in the home and raising children, studied math, physics, and chemistry on her way to a geophysics degree from the ultra -traditional British schools also prefers the math programs used now.

Understand but whats happened to stay at home moms. My mom is and her mom and my dads mom were stay at home. The dad is supposed to be the breadwinner while the mom takes care of the home and kids.
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I can partially agree with this. I wish my old lady was a stay at home wife, I wouldn’t mind that. But even as the bread winner and bringing in close to 100 and a quarter a year, its hardly do able with the price of living. Yeah we could manage, but we wouldn’t have much.

Our district has had a cell “ban” for a while. I do think it’s kind of funny, seemingly everyone agrees cell phones are bad for kids and don’t belong in schools, but so far no one has said they didn’t allow their kid to get a phone until they are 18. Seems like this would be the answer to the problem. And yes, I doubt I will be able to hold off giving my kids access until then either. Just saying. And fwiw cell phones were pretty common when I was in HS, and a lot of friends had the Nokia brick by the time we were 16. My parents wouldn’t get me one, and then I couldn’t afford one until I was 21, which was 2004.

Home schooling would be great, but just not very feasible in today’s world that almost require dual incomes. Kudos to those of you who can make it work! I think we have lost our way as a society in a lot of ways, this being one. Another is my 7 year old leaves for school at 7 am and gets home from afterschool care at 5-530. That’s longer than 40 hours a week most adults work. Add on activities a couple 3-4 times a week, and it’s crazy to me. And yes a part of me wants to sell it all, quit our jobs and move into the middle of nowhere and live off the land!

I have a way better paying job then the woman does and im sure she would love to stay home with the kids (which she did til they got to be school aged)but no way we would have much of a life without her paychecks.

Michael Obremski wrote:

The dad is supposed to be the breadwinner while the mom takes care of the home and kids.

Are you the kicker for the KC Chiefs?

Michael Obremski wrote:

The dad is supposed to be the breadwinner while the mom takes care of the home and kids.

Michael Obremski wrote:

people have the right to their own choices in most matters including this one but what was just described was intended from creation.

Source?

BigWerm wrote:

Our district has had a cell “ban” for a while. I do think it’s kind of funny, seemingly everyone agrees cell phones are bad for kids and don’t belong in schools, but so far no one has said they didn’t allow their kid to get a phone until they are 18. Seems like this would be the answer to the problem.

Part of learning and growing up is that we all had to learn to manage ourselves and the world around us. That was no different in the 1700s as it is in 2025. Technology may be different, society may be different, but we still need to learn to navigate both.

I have uncle, classic military go getter. Up a 4 am, workout at 4.30, everything was about hard work and discipline. When his kids were young he decided the great evil in 1970s society was TV. It was turning kids brains to mush. He smashed both their TVs and the house was limited to one radio for news only.

Every year we would see my cousins at Grandma’s where we got dropped off to spend the week. They were hopeless TV addicts. They were like crack addicts, they would stare with glassey eyes at anything on the tv, dawn till dusk. Grandma would kick them outside and they’d sneak back in like fiends. They had not learned how to navigate that technology and still function in life.

Obviously there are age-appropriate introductions to technology and they’re always needs to be limits with kids. But IMO trying to just keep kids totally away from a technology doesn’t only producers problems down the line.

slough wrote:

So many kids rush through the work so they can get back to playing on their phone “well I’m done with my work” and you look at the work they’ve done and it’s total garbage. That’s my biggest beef with the phones, no attention span and attention to detail on their learning.

I have been retired now since 2017 and yet this was prevalent in the workplace as well. The lack of an honest work ethic in younger coworkers, was a major factor in my decision to retire. The folks I am still in contact with, say the situation at work, has not become better.

Make it a state law so whiny pathetic so called parents cant argue it at the local school district or municipal level.

1st time offence = confiscate the phone and smash it it to pieces in front of the class and ask if anyone else wants to bring their phone?? Then back charge the parents for the lost time and an inconvenience fee in the classroom.

2nd offence = Deport the parents to California and strip them of the ability to return.

I have daughter, wife, and nieces that work in all different school districts and different grade level. Same problem. The school’s policy becomes a joke because pathetic parents that think they – and their kids- can do whatever the heck they want. They disrespect rules, teachers, staff, and other students. Some how they are god’s gift to society and their opinions and actions out rank the needs and wants of everyone else. If only there was a way to ban these ignorant POS parents from having kids. Yes, there are a few bad teachers. All of us that went to school and college had a couple of them. But that does not compare to the quantity of horrid parents that need a serious mental life adjustment

Being on a School Board – I can tell you that cell phones AND cell phone policy is a challenge to say the least. Lake City has an established cell phone policy that we as a school board is trying to improve. As of right now Junior High is no cell bell to bell (and going great). Sr. high is no cell in classrooms (put in door cadie) – but teachers individually can allow. I am totally against this as it now crates subjectivity from class to class. However -I personally struggle with this as Jr and Sr high are in same building – so you have kids walk by each other in between class with some allowed phones and some not. It virtually is impossible to enforce fairly. The argument is that Sr high students are more responsible and we need to prep them for the real world. Well “most” of the real world jobs one cannot be looking at your phones all day!
Every student in LC already has an Ipad. Every classroom has a phone in case of emergency’s.
I hear over and over from Superintendents at the Minnesota School Board Conference a month back that the best working policy is no cell bell to bell for all.

Huntindave wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>slough wrote:</div>
So many kids rush through the work so they can get back to playing on their phone “well I’m done with my work” and you look at the work they’ve done and it’s total garbage. That’s my biggest beef with the phones, no attention span and attention to detail on their learning.

I have been retired now since 2017 and yet this was prevalent in the workplace as well. The lack of an honest work ethic in younger coworkers, was a major factor in my decision to retire. The folks I am still in contact with, say the situation at work, has not become better.

Every generation complains about the prior. It’s as predictable as death and taxes.

I think the younger generations are realizing that loyalty of a company to its employees is a thing of the past so what is the reason to give everything you have to a company that isn’t going to return that loyalty?