WI/MN Flathead Anglers-Help Needed

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1222691

    In my talks with biologists from both MN and WI, I have found 99% agreement that Flatheads need to be protected in their winter dormant stage.

    Whether it’s a closed season or at (least) length limit on border waters and the Minnesota River.

    I’ve found only one person that is standing in the way to make this happen and he’s a Fisheries Team Supervisor for the State of WI out of La Crosse.

    I’m putting together information that would support change in the daily bag and possession limits on WI/MN border waters that would match MN’s inland rules along with closing the flathead catfish season from Nov 1st to April 1st each year.

    If anyone has access to documentation that supports lowering the daily WI Flathead limit from the current 25, please email or PM me with the links or info on accessing them. Whether it’s pollution or health of the fishery ect. I would like to have it all in one presentation as this one person doesn’t think catfish are worth protecting.

    Thanks in advance.

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1078611

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    I’ve found only one person that is standing in the way to make this happen and he’s a Fisheries Team Supervisor for the State of WI out of La Crosse.


    Choo want me ta change ‘is mind, boss?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1078626

    No Bubba, we’ll change his mind with facts. Many of his own facts. But thanks!

    Gary Sanders
    Lake Wisconsin
    Posts: 434
    #1078628

    I believe the regs below for my home waters are in place specifically to protect wintering cats.
    Wisconsin River – Columbia & Dane Counties:
    The daily bag limit on catfish is 10. The season for catfish is open all year except from the Prairie du Sac Dam downstream to the railroad bridge at Sauk City where the
    open season is May 5 through November 30.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1078635

    Thanks G!

    And to the other pm’ers!

    aanderud
    Posts: 221
    #1078637

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    The season for catfish is open all year except from the Prairie du Sac Dam downstream to the railroad bridge at Sauk City where the open season is May 5 through November 30.


    Whoa, why can’t they just do that everywhere? If it makes sense in this section of this river, then why not the whole dang state? Gotta love the DNRs and their addiction to special regs for special bodies of water.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1078641

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    Quote:


    The season for catfish is open all year except from the Prairie du Sac Dam downstream to the railroad bridge at Sauk City where the open season is May 5 through November 30.


    Whoa, why can’t they just do that everywhere? If it makes sense in this section of this river, then why not the whole dang state? Gotta love the DNRs and their addiction to special regs for special bodies of water.


    I am all for flatheads, but there is no reason for seasons on channels. I don’t keep them anyway, so I would not be opposed to C&R.

    I think the first thing that needs to be done is have the DNR stop lumping channels and flatheads together. That at best makes them look like sloppy managers, and at worst, ignorant managers of the resource.

    aanderud
    Posts: 221
    #1078654

    Indeed, I would prefer to see the restrictions on only flatheads, but if they aren’t going to make a distinction between the two species, I’d like to see the more restrictive set of regulations used.

    And I agree with the C&R comment — I like the idea of catch and release seasons for various species during various times of year (sturgeon come to mind), since people always seem to get around the closed seasons using the loophole that they’re fishing for some “other species” anyway. Cold water C&R is usually not an issue for these hardy fish, I don’t think. It would be a less drastic step than closing the season completely.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1078693

    Absolutely, if they are not going to grant us the respect with separating them, then by all means seasons for both.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1078701

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    Re: WI/MN Flathead Anglers-Help Needed


    No one is talking about channels here. They aren’t sleeping bears in the winter.

    I expect to be hearing more of a C&R season in the near future for sturgeon, but I need to stay focused on Flatheads for the time being.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1078715

    Quote:


    No one is talking about channels here. They aren’t sleeping bears in the winter.



    The point being the DNR needs to make the distinction first.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1078719

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    The point being the DNR needs to make the distinction first.


    Gotcha. There’s going to be many “technicalities” along this route and I was reading too fast. Thanks for pointing that out.

    joshbjork
    Center of Iowa
    Posts: 727
    #1079042

    That is hard. There isn’t much documentation about how much better fishing would be.

    But, if you have any carp netters up there, they could probably confirm the movement of fish stops at some temp. I didn’t know it but down there the DNR collects info from the netters anyway.

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1770
    #1079336

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    If anyone has access to documentation that supports lowering the daily WI Flathead limit from the current 25, please email or PM me with the links or info on accessing them. Whether it’s pollution or health of the fishery ect.



    Wish there was a way to help ya! You would think that the limit of 25 flats a day would scream at him alone??? They take so many steps to protect lake with slots on everything from muskies to panfish. I dont know if MN has much info to go off of for flats but sure that states like TX,MO,OK, ect have lots of studies showing the average size and time it take to get to that age. Sounded like Joel was working on just that for MN.
    Lets say if an angler can catch 25 flats in a day?? dont know how often that happens but I have never seen it. Lets say it did and I averaged 8 lbs a fish. Pretty general average. Thats 200 lbs of flathead in the freezer?? Not to mention most those fish were over 6-8 years old with some up to 20 years old. I am happy with a deer that big in the freezer and they would let a guy take that every day with flats….. That is as much a shame as the guys who would harvest his max “legal” time after time again. Some peoples kids Thanks for putting the work/time into this Brian

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1079340

    There is info trickling in Joe. In fact some of the studies you just mentioned. It’s enough to keep me busy for a while for sure.

    Keep the faith!

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #1079351

    25 flatheads a day, what limit? Channels are a diffrent story and unless they are pounded theres no need for a closed season.

    Because flatheads winter up by laying in holes and don’t move much its easier to take them, and quite a few if the conditions are right. They say theres supposed to be sport involved in catching a fish, wheres the sport in snagging a wintering flathead, I don’t see any sport there, hooking a fish yes, but not sport.

    Getting any information from down south might be ok if it makes a connection to the flatheads up here, but what about the diffrence in growth, its completely the opposite. I suspect a 40 lber may grow an ounce or two all winter up here, maybe even loose some weight though fat loss and Id almost bet its the latter. I can see a closed season on flatheads in some impoundments and areas where they might be taken more often, just because of thier slow growth rate and vulnerability, unlike channel catfish. They are a resource that can be over harvested, if it caugth on by quite a few people. Theres the old meat and potatoes theory catching them but in some areas they are more vulnerable, especially over a wintering hole, heck thats hard to do in the spring months of prespawn, something doesn’t make sense there, I see your point Brian. Kind of like duck and pheasant hunting with an open and closed season, for alot of reasons.

    Spring time is diffrent even during the prespawn feed when thier vulnerable because they spread out covering much more water looking for food and a place to spawn. In winter if a guy finds a wintering hole he litteraly could over harvest that section, everybody knows you can over harvest a section of river eigther in spring or winter with effective fishing. Its also the technique that is used fishing for them in winter, snagging. You find a good hole with an underwater camera and you could make a big dent in that area of the river, kind of like telephoneing during the spring spawn, both ways the odds are highly against the fish. With modern technology couldn’t they put a camera down and zero in on just the big ones leaving the smaller ones? It sounds like what makes them the most vulnerable and at what time of year.

    At the minimum and maybe thats all thats needed instead of a total ban is drop the limit too 2 fish a day and not over 15 pounds during the winter months.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1080341

    Might be “old news” but having the video is totally awesome!

    Thanks Josh!

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1080346

    That was pretty cool! Who knew.

    That cat in the aquarium attacking that fish was eye opening too! I didn’t see it coming. Would have thought the carp was too big, but that cat just snapped!

    moosemj
    Fox River, NE IL
    Posts: 121
    #1080376

    That was an awesome video, thanks for posting.

    I can’t imagine the zebra mussels feel that good on the way out though!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1080249

    Of course the powers in charge will say the fish don’t eat enough to impact the zebs, but every little bit helps…and it’s free.

    joshbjork
    Center of Iowa
    Posts: 727
    #1080406

    I don’t know. Down here it sounds like changing one line in a law requires bricks of gold. Or ambition or something.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1080417

    We have the in land waters and the border waters. Two separate areas of the law. Changing one (really) doesn’t effect the other.

    The in land laws are fairly easy to change by comparison to the border water laws where there’s two states involved. WI or should I say one person in WI seems to be very set in his ways. For what reason I’m not sure, but there certainly isn’t any biology behind it.

    From what I’ve been able to surmise, WI makes the laws and MN follows with the possible exception of the bluegill experimental regs down south where the limits are different on the two sides of the river. But that’s a whole other thread.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1087118

    Thanks for the PM’s and emails. I had one contributor that was a wealth of information as far as DNR documents.

    Now it’s just sorting through, completing a summary and sending it off.

    My goal is to (at least) get the WI people sitting down with the MN people and talking. As I mentioned before, one party has poopy pants on.

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