I have a question

  • Tom P.
    Whitehall Wi.
    Posts: 3526
    #1220222

    Here goes….I am from Wisconsin with a resident fishing license. Say I go flathead catfishing with BrinK in his boat. Can I legally use sunfish for bait since it is a legal bait for anglers from Wisconsin?

    Edited to add ON the Mississippi. What about number of rods?

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #567365

    You have to have the WI license and abide by WI laws being a WI resident on WI/MN border waters.. so yes, you can use a sunfish(or a bass I think) for bait, and use 3 rods.

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9362
    #567368

    I disagree. This is from page 54 of the Wisconsin Regulations. You need to know where the boundary line is on the river between Minnesota and Wisconsin If you are on the Wisconsin side then yes, you can use your gills for bait. This has been a dispute every year but I personally would not use gills on the Minnesota side. The way this reads, it is illegal to do so!

    Quote:


    54
    • Wisconsin residents need a Wisconsin fi shing license and Minnesota residents need a Minnesota license to fi sh in these boundary waters. Residents of other
    states need a nonresident license from Wisconsin or Minnesota. Regulations on these waters may differ between states. You must obey the regulations
    of the state in which you are fi shing.


    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #567381

    Brett…that is a confusing statement.

    I’ve called Madison and have checked with the local CO…the differance is Border Waters.

    Unless a person is from MN…anyone can buy a WI non res license and fish with 3 lines…and gills from train track to train track on the sippi. If a person is a MN res…he MUST buy the MN license and follow MN rules…

    Personally…I think it’s discrimination!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #567383

    Ps…that’s what they said last year anyway….

    Hunting is a completly differant story.

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9362
    #567387

    Quote:


    I’ve called Madison and have checked with the local CO…the difference is Border Waters.


    Now I am totally confused because page 54 is the regulations for boarder waters.
    When fishing the Minnesota side of the river, I only keep the 10 gill limit, fish with 2 poles and never use gills while chasing Flatheads.
    Why would the above Wisconsin DRN Regulation be in the Boarder waters section and not the General section if your statement is true?

    Tom P.
    Whitehall Wi.
    Posts: 3526
    #567411

    Quote:


    Regulations on these waters may differ between states. You must obey the regulations
    of the state in which you are fi shing.


    The way I read this is I have to obey the state laws of the state I buy my licesne in. On the boundary waters.

    Does it make a difference if I am in a boat that is registered in Minn. But have my Wi. license?

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #567416

    Tom, it doesnt make a difference what state the boat is registered in as long as the registration is up to date. You can fish the minnsota side from shore if you wish with sunfish and 3 lines… Anywhere that is considered MN/WI border waters, you are allowed to fish under WI rules.

    It makes no difference where the boat is from.

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9362
    #567417

    It says in the state you are fishing in, not the state you purchased your license in

    Before I head out tomorrow night I will make a call myself. I have been passing up some good stuff on the Minnesota side only because I would not put a gill over the boat on the Minnesota side. I also have heard of guys getting busted keeping 25 gills from the Minnesota side with a resident Wisconsin license. Wisconsin’s bag limit is 25.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #567423

    I think Minnesota National Gaurd troops should just invade Wisconsin and annex it. Wait, I like Wisconsin fishing laws better. I’d rather have Wisconsin invade Minnesota. If they are wiling, I’ll offer my services as a mole.

    Also, am I allowed to make 2 posts in a thread in the Wisconsin section of the forum?

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #567424

    Brett,

    You are fine between the tracks.

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9362
    #567435

    buddy’s bait

    Not to make things more confusing here is a post from 2005. Matt (FlatheadWI) also talked with the CO and has the same understanding that I have. After this conference call that I am on I am making a call myself If I am allowed to use gills between the tracks this has opened up a whole new world for me

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #567462

    If you are between the tracks you can consider yourself in both states at once or in neither. You are on the line. If you cross under the bridge of the tracks then you are in the state which you are in. I have been checked by MN, Ia, and Wisconsin COs on the border water and never been jumped for bluegills or too many rods.

    flatheadwi
    La Crosse, WI
    Posts: 578
    #567471

    Quote:


    Regulations on these waters may differ between states. You must obey the regulations
    of the state in which you are fi shing.


    Clearly they are already talking about boundary waters. That being said, the second statement would be completely redundant if they did not mean that within boundary waters there was more than one state in which you could possibly be fishing.

    Of course the COs are the ones with the final say because the letter of the law only matters as far as it’s enforced. And the COs in Wisconsin will not bust you in MN for following WI regs, while the MN COs will not bust you between the tracks for following WI regs if you have a WI license and are not from MN, because the MN reg reads differently.

    So… despite the letter of the law, you are safe between the tracks using the WI regs.

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9362
    #567473

    Cool beans, this opens up a whole new world for me

    DaveL
    Stacy, MN
    Posts: 94
    #567477

    What’s the rule if you posses a resident MN license and a non resident WI license. Could you use 3 poles and gills?
    You would certainly think you could as both regulating organizations are getting their cut.

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #567480

    You can’t be a Minnesota resident and fish with a Wisconsin out of state license on the border water between Minnesota and Wisconsin. You could use that license to fish the border water between Wisconsin and Ia.

    DaveL
    Stacy, MN
    Posts: 94
    #567487

    Dang, I was hoping for a loop hole some where. This 2 rod thing with no game fish as bait is bs.
    Why is a sunny game fish any way? All waters are polluted with them.

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #567492

    Dave,

    If you like we can drag my boys up there and fish with 9 rods with gills on each plus your two. I guarantee a mess of gigantic proportions.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #567539

    Uh, sunnies are gamefish because people like to fish for them and harvest them to eat. The problem with the “sunny pollution” is over-fishing, or over harvesting to be more exact.

    Back to the discussion at hand….Border Water Regs.

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9362
    #567542

    Quote:


    Uh, sunnies are gamefish because people like to fish for them and harvest them to eat. The problem with the “sunny pollution” is over-fishing, or over harvesting to be more exact.


    I totaly agree. Thats why I just like to put a few on a leash at night time, you know, just to keep an eye on them

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #567580

    I am pretty sure the DNR doesnt want to cross that line of using a gamefish for bait. Panfish are the most targeted species overall. I think anyone can agree there are tons of places full of stunted sunfish.. but too many people would abuse it if they were allowed as bait… Everyone already knows there are too many laws to enforce now in MN. Many states allow them up to 5″ or 7″ is pretty standard, some states there are no size restrictions.

    One guarantee.. anwhere other than MN I am catfishing.. there is a sunfish on at least one hook!

    Mudshark
    LaCrosse WI
    Posts: 2973
    #567633

    Ohh boy…..I’m in trouble again…

    The main point here ,to me anyway ,is that there is a definite,surveyed ,boundry line between MN and WI..

    A WI CO cannot ticket anyone in MN…….. just as a CO in MN cannot ticket anyone in WI…

    But they DO cite people for breaking their state’s laws.

    And if you don’t think these guys know EXACTLY what state they are in….well…..

    As I’ve said before…my friend recieved such a ticket (too many lines) on the river (granted it was 1980’s) and I am (pretty sure) I watched 2 guys this year get citations below the spillway @ dam 6 (clearly on the MN side) for too many tip-ups..(did’nt really want to butt in to ask what the deal was )

    My only point here is…how much of a chance is anyone willing to take ??

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #567639

    I will take the chance each time because it is legal. They might have not had a license. or tried jiggin and had too many tipups. Their buddy might have wandered off. They might have been confused Mn anglers thinking they could use 3 on the border water. It is 100 percent legal to fish with 3 rods between the tracks if you have a Wisconsin lic. There is no magic line down the channel.

    Mudshark
    LaCrosse WI
    Posts: 2973
    #567645

    Quote:


    I will take the chance each time because it is legal. They might have not had a license. or tried jiggin and had too many tipups. Their buddy might have wandered off. They might have been confused Mn anglers thinking they could use 3 on the border water. It is 100 percent legal to fish with 3 rods between the tracks if you have a Wisconsin lic. There is no magic line down the channel.




    Then what about my buddy??? He recieved (and fought,and lost) a citation for using a treble hook on the MN side of the river.

    And your right… there is no magic line…

    Like I said ..it’s a surveyed,legal line…..

    really can’t explain it better…..

    You take your chances…I’ll take mine..but I do not want my advice to get someone else a citation…just too expensive….I’d feel like s**t

    Tom P.
    Whitehall Wi.
    Posts: 3526
    #567733

    Quote:


    A WI CO cannot ticket anyone in MN…….. just as a CO in MN cannot ticket anyone in WI…
    But they DO cite people for breaking their state’s laws.


    This dosen`t make any sense to me…We are talking boundary waters. So if what you say is true I have a wi. license have 35 panfish 10 over my limit and get checked by MN DNR. They can`t ticket me on boundary waters?

    Why does the MN DNR check me on the river for licenss and size of catch when my boat is clearly registered in Wi? If he can`t site me why bother me?

    Mudshark
    LaCrosse WI
    Posts: 2973
    #567742

    Quote:


    Quote:


    A WI CO cannot ticket anyone in MN…….. just as a CO in MN cannot ticket anyone in WI…
    But they DO cite people for breaking their state’s laws.


    This dosen`t make any sense to me…We are talking boundary waters. So if what you say is true I have a wi. license have 35 panfish 10 over my limit and get checked by MN DNR. They can`t ticket me on boundary waters?

    Why does the MN DNR check me on the river for licenss and size of catch when my boat is clearly registered in Wi? If he can`t site me why bother me?



    Well Tom…They would write you a citation for being 25 fish over MN’s limit….
    I’m gonna call both DNR offices today and try to get answers.

    flatheadwi
    La Crosse, WI
    Posts: 578
    #567750

    Quote:


    Quote:


    A WI CO cannot ticket anyone in MN…….. just as a CO in MN cannot ticket anyone in WI…
    But they DO cite people for breaking their state’s laws.


    This dosen`t make any sense to me…We are talking boundary waters. So if what you say is true I have a wi. license have 35 panfish 10 over my limit and get checked by MN DNR. They can`t ticket me on boundary waters?

    Why does the MN DNR check me on the river for licenss and size of catch when my boat is clearly registered in Wi? If he can`t site me why bother me?


    He can cite you, he won’t bother checking you when you’re in Wisconsin, which means on the Wisconsin side of the main channel (except in a very few places where the boundary doesn’t follow the main channel, like pool 8). However, if you’re doing something idiotic or clearly illegal, they will intervene.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #567761

    Quote:


    I’m gonna call both DNR offices today and try to get answers


    If you are calling the DNR…you might want to call both of them…

    Mudshark
    LaCrosse WI
    Posts: 2973
    #567778

    Quote:


    Quote:


    I’m gonna call both DNR offices today and try to get answers


    If you are calling the DNR…you might want to call both of them…


    Yep….

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