Cat Rod and Reel reviews

  • david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #1220158

    I thought this would be a good topic to discuss since we have so many new catfishermen getting serous about the sport, and many of us have been upgrading equipment over the last year.

    What are some of the rods and reels you guys are using, and what are some of your likes/dislikes?

    I started with more budget gear many years ago(all I could find at retailers) and used it for many years for catting. I started with a garcia 5000 and a pool cue musky rod.. it worked, but it had its limits.

    I used several different cheap rods,the best I had found for years was a South bend catfish special… still a pool cue, but 8′ long and a 6500(graduated to a clicker) I could launch a heavy bait a mile… or beyond what the bait could live through. caught a lot of big fish on the rig, and its probably the reason my shoulder needs surgery now

    Modern day reels:

    I retired my last 6500 in 05′ and switched over to spinning gear for a while. Cheap reels at 1st which soon broke, then we moved into Okuma epixors 50 & 65 series which are still working perfectly today when they get used. My casting gear I played around with a couple 7000’s, and also a few different trolling reels which would land fish fine, but very troublesome to cast. Eventually I invested in Shimano Tekota’s and they pretty much covered all the good things of any other reel, cast perfectly, and as smooth as glass.. they pretty much made the 7000’s feel like zebco 202’s(sorry Brian). I have found overall the Okuma Epixor reels and Shimano Tekota reels to be top of the line for flathead fishing, I dont have complaints with either. My 6500’s did serve their purpose with minimal failures, but the drags were the biggest downfall for me, just too light when you had to turn a big fish.

    Modern Rods:

    Theres lots of cheap rods out there that will work, but they really dont hold a candle to the better quality rods made these days specificly for catfishing. Most of these rods have some tip action to detect bait movement, and pick up moderate-light strikes, but have the backbone to lift the heaviest fish off th bottom in current. Lifting power is very important, its also *turning* power. Top choices I would recommend are Boss rods, the #3(17#-30#) & #4(20#-40#) rods both perform very well and have a ton of back bone, bu still keep a light blank weight, great quality eyes, and a quality fighting handle that lets you get great leverage on heavy fish. Tiger Rods(ugly stick) are also a top quality rod.. I hated ugly stick until these hit the market. All 3 rods have excellent actions for catfishing, the lightest rod still has a soft tip for circle hooks, but can handle 80# power pro, the middle grade rod is about perfect for flatheads, a bit more stiff, but you will never run out of power, the heaviest model is probably the best close quarter combat rod on the market. The power handle on all of these rods are equal to about 40% of the rods backbone = tons of leverage, and verry minimal fatigue(rod doesnt beat you up). The spinning rods only come in 2 actions, but are definately THE BEST choice out there for a good spinning rod for large fish that I have used.

    A new rod on the market are Surge Rods, these are very high quality rods, a little heavy on the rod blank, but a very nice tip on the lighter rods, and a choice powerful action that will be great for catfishing.. one of these will be my next purchase, they seem like an excellent rod for the money, and they have a white blank that is much easier to see at night. These rods also come in spinning rods(Boss doesnt) and should be right up there with the best.

    I really recommend anyone looking to upgrade to check these rods out. Drive out of the way to find them on hand and make the choice that best suits your needs. Too many rds that look good in a catalog and turn out to be junk when they get there, and sometimes a good rod slips by we thought would be junk and they are great. I am not saying the most expensive are best, but most often when it comes to heavy fish gear.. expect to get what you are paying for in quality and performance.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #551883

    Very good post Dave!

    Hey, just because I like the 7000’s doesn’t mean that everyone has to!

    I totally agree with your last paragraph..for me anyway. I can’t tell if a rod works until I have it set up, cast it a few times..and it helps to land a fish too!

    Some people can take a rod and flex it without a reel/line/sinker on and say this is going to be a outstanding rod for this that or the other fish. I can’t do that…I have an slight idea…but how a person can pick out a good rod out of a catalog is beyond me.

    One other piece I’ve come to realize is that my favorite boat fishing rods “suck” for bank fishing. They are great fun in the boat landing a biggun but try making a decent shore fishing cast…well it leaves something to be desired.

    The above photo is of BIG Gary Wellman landing a 36(?) pound flat with my St Croix Rod. The white tip is down there by the water. Just watching him was fun!

    hanson
    Posts: 728
    #551941

    I like my 7000s too!

    audemp
    Wi
    Posts: 721
    #552328

    I started with a 6500 an a g-loomis muskie bucktail rod last year. Bought a 7000 used it once tried Daves tekota once, went to Bobs bought tekota 500. That reel is the best baitcaster Ive ever laid hands on. It is solid as a rock smooth as silk and has a drag that puts a 7000 to shame. The 7000 is still a good reel but is not good for shore fishing as it can not cast even close to a far as the tekota.

    Just to put it in perspective last year Dave and I took turns with his #4 boss rod and tekota 600 (bigger reel) an were casting over the jetty down at mill ruins with 100 lb power pro on and a 2 OZ bank sinker.

    When you are crankin in a big fish with this reel it really shows its power and ability. It will handle some good sized sturgeon and cats with absolutly no problem.

    I highly suggest saving the money up and purchasing one it will last for years Im sure.

    As for rods, I have to go with Dave on the Ugly stick Tiger rods as well as the Tiger “lite” this one is a graphite glass composite rated for 10-40 lb this one fits perfect with an okuma epixor 50.

    hanson
    Posts: 728
    #552465

    Quote:


    The 7000 is still a good reel but is not good for shore fishing as it can not cast even close to a far as the tekota.




    Not good for shore fishing, huh?

    Not every spot requires a guy to cast a country mile.

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #552496

    I find that when fishing with live bait from shore, casting distance is limited much more by trying not to kill your bait than the reel itself.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #552502

    Yeah, or losing your bait in the process of casting. I think I have become a terrible caster since hunting Olies, because I am so pensive when I cast. I am going for the lip hooked bullies more this year. Even though I think you give up a little bit in action that way, but it seems to work for Larry.

    hanson
    Posts: 728
    #552505

    Good point Ryan.

    Casting a long distance while trying to keep a healthy piece of cutbait on your hook is difficult as well.

    Which brings me to another point, the ROD has much more influence on the success of long distance bait delivery than the reel. And when I’m placing a bait, I’m PLACING a bait. Whether its close and tight to a snag, right on a current seam, the sweet spot in the eddy, or whatever.

    I guess I expect to make a good cast, to the spot I want, without my bait flying off. Thats what I expect out of my rod/reel combination.

    To say a 7000 is a POS because it can’t cast far is untrue and misguided. It casts dang well and does everything else a good cat reel needs to do. Its also $50 or so less than a Tekota.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #552706

    Ok gys.. lets not turn this into a 700 vs tekota debate

    They are both good reels that are perfectly suited for flatheads.

    Yes, the Tekota cost $30 more… thats about 1/4 tank of gas in your truck isnt it hanson? I’ll bet the extra $30 will add up to more enjoyment in a reel than it does in a tank of gas. Heck, I just spent $15 without the 2 cycle for a 1/2 tank of boat gas???

    I guess when it comes down to spending more than $100 for a reel.. at that point its a good time to make sure your getting exacty what you need and prefer unless your made of money. I dont really care if it cost more or less, I will grab the one that works best for me. I go by the same principal for rods. Thank goodness good cat rods arent as expensive as most other types of fishing!

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #552717

    I think I’ll order up a Calcutta CTE-700! For $390, it’ll be a heckuva cat reel

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #552735

    $390 for casting out and letting the bait sit on the bottom?

    audemp
    Wi
    Posts: 721
    #552780

    OK Hanson I did not say the 7000 was a POS. I was only saying I need to cast far for the places I have been fishing, which the tekota is better for IMO.

    I still like the 7000 for a boat reel or short distance shore casting.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #552781

    Quote:


    I think I’ll order up a Calcutta CTE-700! For $390


    Thats $10 less than I paid for my truck

    mile832
    MN
    Posts: 565
    #552824

    C’mon! You dont even need a rod and reel to catch fish. Tie a hook and sinker to some nylon twine and swing it out there cowboy style.

    YEEEEE HAAAAA!!!!

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #552829

    You forgot the coke can to wrap the line around. Ah, brings back fond memories of Blackdog.

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #552844

    Quote:


    Quote:


    I think I’ll order up a Calcutta CTE-700! For $390


    Thats $10 less than I paid for my truck


    Someone can slap me if I ever spend that much on a reel! I’d sure like to take one for a test drive, though

    haywardbound
    New Brighton, MN
    Posts: 1107
    #552921

    Quote:


    One other piece I’ve come to realize is that my favorite boat fishing rods “suck” for bank fishing. They are great fun in the boat landing a biggun but try making a decent shore fishing cast…well it leaves something to be desired.


    What about rod length? Longer rod for shore fishing and shorter for the boat?

    Anyone use bait-runner reels?

    joshbjork
    Center of Iowa
    Posts: 727
    #552945

    I think the perfect rod is hard to find. For a small rod, I really like a 8’6″ fiberglass rod I have. I don’t think it is special but the slow action works good with circle hooks. Fast action rods seem not so good there.

    I put carbontex drag washers in the 6500’s last year and it is a big improvement. I wasn’t using them for anything heavy before but now they are much more formitable with a bunch more drag available and it doesn’t hump and jump anymore. For twenty minutes and $10 they are a good deal. I’m planning on doing the rest of my reels this year. If I buy any more reels they will be Ticas or lever drags.

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #552955

    Quote:


    Anyone use bait-runner reels?


    Not the Shimano baitrunners, but the Okuma Epixor EB is a “baitrunner” and cheaper than the Shimanos. The epixor is a great real.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #552985

    I cant justify buying a baitrunner for twice as much as a epixor. I dont think they could have made epixors any better for fighting large fish.. Lower gear ratio, good length on the power handle for power, excellent drag, no play out of the reel. I have used baitrunners, they seem ok, but I have only used them a few times, and cant compare them side by side. I am happy with the Okumas.

    hanson
    Posts: 728
    #553073

    7000 still has a louder clicker. Ha!

    I can’t believe that Penn reels haven’t been given a fair shake in this rod & reel review. Besides Garcia’s, Penns are probably the 2nd most popular reel for catfish in the country.

    Penn’s 310GTi & 310GT2 are both very, very capable flathead reels. 4.3:1 gear ratio (like the 7000) and priced around $86-87. And the 320LD is the same as the GTi & GT2 with the exception of a lever drag vs a star drag.

    I’ve “heard” castability isn’t the greatest, but I haven’t used one so I can’t comment on that. There is no doubt you won’t find a better, flathead winch, than a Penn.

    hanson
    Posts: 728
    #553081

    Quote:


    Yes, the Tekota cost $30 more… thats about 1/4 tank of gas in your truck isnt it hanson?



    I don’t know what Bob is selling a Tekota for but they are commonly priced just shy of $160 online. Catfish Connection still has my favorite 7000C3 on sale for $97. That adds up to a $60 difference and a lot more than 1 tank of gas for my truck.

    flatheadwi
    La Crosse, WI
    Posts: 578
    #553135

    Quote:


    I cant justify buying a baitrunner for twice as much as a epixor. I dont think they could have made epixors any better for fighting large fish.. Lower gear ratio, good length on the power handle for power, excellent drag, no play out of the reel. I have used baitrunners, they seem ok, but I have only used them a few times, and cant compare them side by side. I am happy with the Okumas.


    I use Okumas too – love the way they’re built and I love the drag. I have the Avenger 65’s because I’m a cheapskate (can’t find a better $35.00 reel though). The beauty of the spinning reel in that size is that you can palm the spool so easily – it’s much easier than trying to thumb a baitcaster in my limited experience. That means you can fight the fish at a drag setting that’s appropriate for boatside (a little light) but still be able to turn the fish when you need to.

    The baitrunners are just like clickers in my opinion – I don’t like them. I haven’t used one, but my buddy uses them. He’s almost never had line pulled out in “baitrunner” mode (we fish from the boat almost exclusively). I’ve seen a friend use clickers from shore and have run/drops, which I don’t think you get as much with a tighter drag – you just get a fish on. I guess I don’t see the need for the extra expense anyway when I fish so close to snags most of the time that I don’t want the fish to run with the bait.

    I should mention that I started out with $25.00 Shakespeare Big Water combos from K-Mart and they held up very well for several years. The way we abused reels back then (fishing from sandbars) I don’t think more expensive reels would’ve lasted any longer. The only drawback on those was that the drags were hard to set right – there was about a quarter turn on the adjustment between way too tight and too loose.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #553148

    I am debating whether to get a bait-caster or spinning reel for the next setup. The bassing guy in me wants to stick with baitcasters, but talking to Bob on Saturday I started wondering if I shouldn’t go with a spinning reel. Now FlatheadWi brings up the point of being able to thumb a spinning reel as easy, if not easier, than a baitcaster. Being able to thumb the spool is something I love about baitcasters.

    So I guess what I am getting at is I’d like to here peoples thoughts on spinning reels vs. baitcasters.

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #553150

    I hate spinning reels in general but it is definitely a personal preference. Spinning reels will definitely fit the bill, but I don’t like fishing with them.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #553181

    Hanson.. you better scoop them up at $97.. that is below cost for Moores. Unfortunately, if you dont have the buying power of Cabela’s or catfish connection.. some things cost more. At the same time, he carries many of the rods of catfish connection and sells them cheaper than CC in most cases. I think his 7000c3’s are around $110, and Tekota starts around $140.

    I’ll spend the extra few dollars at the local bait store that is decent enough to cater to us catfishermen and HQ our contest.

    If you want to see Penn’s and other reels that compete for the same market.. drop in at Moores and he might be willing to order them in for a special order.. or buy a good reel already there. The more reels that get sold the higher the odds will be of eventually carrying another line of reels. What holds up and performs well for fishermen(good reels), and also SELL are what he is going to stock. He wont carry junk, I respect that. YOur not going to find *cheapo* reels there, but a couple economical reels have been added this year that are good reels.

    All I can do is make educated suggestions towards inventory at the shop, I dont make out the orders or pay the bills.

    The purpose of this thread wasnt to say who had what for cheapest where and what else could we use. The purpose was to review the equipment we have on hand with an honest opinion on how it performs and caters to our needs.

    Not all of us like to order from a catalog.. if my money leaves my hands, I like to know exactly what I am getting, and I walk out the door with it… no paying shipping, waiting a week or more, or extensive internet searches trying to find what I like.

    Thank you Bob Moore for stocking some good quality fishing equipment!

    haywardbound
    New Brighton, MN
    Posts: 1107
    #553333

    Quote:


    So I guess what I am getting at is I’d like to here peoples thoughts on spinning reels vs. baitcasters.


    Good question, pug. I’d like to know too. (But my questions are a little more newbie).

    I’m used to spinning reels with a left handed crank, so I’m not sure if I can get used to a bait caster.

    My other question is about the clicker. Isn’t a bait-runner a spinning reel with the ‘clicker’?

    What is a good gear ratio for either reel? (channels or flatheads).

    Thanks.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #553349

    pug..

    Baitcasters or spinning is personal preference. Its hard to find a good spinning rod suitable for power applications, but some are out there(tiger and surge). Spinning reels are getting pretty good in the power department, but they still take up a bit more line per crank vs some baitcasters(less cranking power at higher ratio). I really like having the extra cranking power available, and overall less fatigue of baitcasting set ups. At the same time, spinning gear is easier to cast large live baits accurately.

    I could never use a spinning set up in a close-quarter combat scenerio, but they work great in less demanding circumstances for me.

    Realisticly, a person could find the perfect rod and reel combo for the given fishing needs in either casting or spinning.. it comes to personal preference and suiting your needs.

    People sometimes wonder why I usually have 6 cat rods in the truck.. every fishing situation is different. I miss old-time catfishing with 8′ spinning rods and 15# line in no snag areas catching 15#-40# fish. If the fish were always there, and thats all fished, I would only have 1 rod…. as a matter of fact, I think thats how pug got interested in catfishing, he was sitting on the other end of the wall watching us catch fish night after night!

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #553389

    Thanks for the info. I need to keep building the arsenal, because even in my short career, I have found one set up does not fit every situation. The only problem is I do like fishing for other species once in a while. The cat stuff works decent for big pike on the brother’s lake.

    Here’s how I recall my introduction to flathead fishing. I posted some questions on the site and Dave was kind enough to offer up info and then invited me to fish with him. We fished in the afternoon for bait and then headed down to the spot. You let me use your set up and I believe I caught one and missed two. I was new to circle hooks too! I kept setting the hook, which you can’t blame me for doing because Ralph (not Wiggum) was down there and I watched him miss about 2 or 3 before I got my first run. The hook kept pulling out on him. That 7# flat was all it took.

    Manny also remembers the time after that when I used my bass gear to land an 18# one. That was fun and I’d love to fish with lighter gear for them, but there’s no sense in risking a fish of a lifetime on light tackle. Ok, enough reminiscing.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #553388

    Quote:


    Baitcasters or spinning is personal preference.


    Here’s my 02 cents that’s worth a penny.

    Totally agree with Dave.

    A good example is FlatheadWI who used spinning outfits, Aburdeen style hooks and if I recall correctly mono.

    Totally the opposite of my setups and he kisses just as many if not more fish than many of us.

    Moving to another thought for myself I was aways afraid of bait casters. I owned one for walleby trolling and I NEVER cast my line out…just thumbed it out while trolling. Who wanted a birds nest?
    I recall being in a boat with Stillakid and watching him throw raps to shoreline with a bait caster. I was in awe. I respect the bass guys as they do this all day long with seldom a mess.

    However…once there’s a 3 oz sinker on the end of your line, flinging your bait out and stopping it with your thumb I now am confident in casting. It’s not even given a second thought. So what I’m saying is, if you have doubts about your ability to throw a baitcaster, not to worry. With the weights we are talking about in the cat forum is very seldom a problem.

    Still it boils down to what you want to feel comfortable with.

    I believe I posted this once before. It’s worth posting again though.

    Just a few short years ago our (cat guys) choices of where to get gear were so limited. Few places had true flathead gear, most all shops had stink bait of some kind. Actually, I think the big stores felt if they had stink bait and the tube hooks, they felt they had everything needed for catfishing!

    Now we’re seeing places like Everts selling no roll sinkers, 80 lbs Power Pro, catfish hooks and St Croix Rods, and of course Moores…the Catfish Connection of the Metro Area.

    We are very lucky to have these businesses so close to us!

    I suggest using them as it’s going to be back to mail order if we don’t.

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