Weight preference?

  • david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #1219964

    Ok.. its time to get everyones weight preference, and why do you prefer that type of weight?

    I think I have used every type of weight known to man, and a few more that were dropped off by foriegn galaxies.

    The most popular weight of catfishermen here seems to be the no-roll type weight. I have used more than my fair share, and they are… a chunk of lead that will sink your bait to the bottom. The aerodynamics of the weight would seem like a smaller weight should be able to hold a bait in place in a cross current situation… low profile with minimal current drag. Personally, in heavy cross current situations, I think the nose of the sinker tends to pull up from current drag on the line.. so the weight slides vs rolls until it hits something to stop it. Once the weight does stop, it seems more time than not the sinker will wedge into any little crevace(sp?) on the bottom of the river(a snag). When casting directly behind the boat in current, the large surface area of the weight tends to act like an airplane wing and gets *lift*. And the worst of all with superlines, you cast out, and the weight tends to get what I call the *no roll death roll* and it twist up the line tight as a drum while it is sinking to the bottom, a person must hold some tension on the line when they cast to keep this from happening. Are they more trouble than what they are worth?

    Bell sinkers.. they dont spin while sinking, but they roll all over the place in current if they are not pegged in one place. The bell design also tends to get wedged into places.

    Pyramid sinkers.. these sink fast, dont roll around, and will dig into whatever bottom structure they are sitting on… including sand. In minimal snag areas, they seem to work great… around snags.. you will re-tie often.

    No-snag sinkers.. as the name states, they do pretty good about keeping out of the snags. They dont twist while sinking, and they dont slide much on the bottom one they are there. The downfall is when you reel in, these weights spin like a musky size colorado spinner blades and there is a ton of resistence.. not to mention it can twist up your line severely when reeling because the weight is wedged against the swivel not allowing it to do its job. I have never had a bad experience with superlines, but mono doesnt like the no-snags.

    Bank sinkers.. by far the best casting type of sinker.. very aerodynamic which allows for long cast, and the same allows these to sink very fast with minimal current draw… which also makes these the best choice for drifting situations if you want your line vertical as possible. They dont spin when they sink. When casting cross current, the eye always points downstream so they wont roll, the narrow design helps keep these out of snags, and a higher chance to get them out once snagged. They will slide a little bit in heavy current.. I dont have anything bad to say about them, and the cheaper price tag makes me like them more.

    Flat Bank sinkers.. not as aerodynamic as the bank sinker, but they dont slide in current, or spin while sinking either. The wider profile makes them a little more prone to snag than the standard bank, but much better than no rolls. Very good weights.

    Coin Sinkers.. About the same performance of the no-roll sinkers without the spin while sinking.. not the greatest around snags, but they do good everywhere else.

    Bullet sinkers.. they work great for early season channel cat fishing. They will move some in heavy current, but weight snagging is non existent.. someone needs to put some heavy ones on the market, I dont think they could be beat for casting behind the boat in current.

    Egg Sinkers.. like a tire rolling downhill in current. If you have some laying around, hand them to your buddy that is out of weights and let him deal with it!

    What is everyone else using, or prefer to use? I prefer the standard bank sinkers overall.

    larry_haugh
    MN
    Posts: 1767
    #470919

    my order of preference
    1.No roll
    2.Pyramid
    3.Bank
    4.Bell

    Dave,
    I’m guessing that there a many people new and experienced that haven’t had the opportunity so see the majority of those types of sinkers you mentioned in your post.
    Do you have a sample of each on hand, so you could do a little pic and tell?
    I know when I first started Cattin the only type I had heard of seen, or used were Bell sinkers.
    I might be able to help you out.
    thanks
    Larry

    sean-lyons
    Waterloo, IA and Hager City Wi.
    Posts: 674
    #470950

    Tire weights, every time!!!!!!!!!!!

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #470956

    Is the difference between a bell and a bank sinker that the bank has the eyelet through the lead and a bell has a wire loop for the eyelet?

    I like no rolls, unless I am in really rocky areas where the flat design means it finds crevices in the rock better. My only other choice would be a bank sinker (based on my description above). I like to think that the no-rolls being inline give me a slightly better chance of getting my rig back. That opposed to a sinker that might kink your line when you tighten up the line and try and work it off a snag. Also, with no rolls I have actually at times been able to play with it in a snag by bouncing it and the sinker will come through, but ultimately the bullhead usually doesn’t as I usually then feel them it pinched off.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #470966

    Those Iwegians! …and the local yokals are still scratching there heads as to why they need to balance there tires every Saturday morning!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #470968

    no roll sinkers

    I’ve never needed anything else…but I do believe there’s a better sinker than a no roll when fishing rocks.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #470969

    Here’s a better pic

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #470972

    I will try to find time to dig through the inventory tomorrow and see how many of the different weights I have laying around.

    Brian.. anyhing besides a pyramid will work better than a no roll in the rocks!

    I think if you picked up a bank, or a flat bank mold.. you would be pouring a heck of a lot less no rolls. They are way less work to pour, and they dont get hung up as much.. dont need to pour another weight if the one you were using is still on your line

    Brian loves pulling out all those pins!

    larry_haugh
    MN
    Posts: 1767
    #470973

    I’ve got a few in my inventory that might help also.
    Dave show what you got and then I will post mine.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #470974

    Well…to be honest..I don’t fish much rocks…although I’ve been in my share lately..

    This is the best sinker I’ve found for rocks…bar none!

    Gamakatzu makes this 10 inch lighted float that works great for fishing rocky shore line. I’ve been using a 1 oz no roll (cause I like pulling the pins out) and a 5 to 7 inch bully/sucker.

    I’ll be putting a report out in the next couple…three days that shows exactly how well these work over rock….

    Since I only have one float…I’ll have to check around to see where I can get more. They’re kinda hard to find.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #470975

    Here’s a little darker picture…

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #470976

    Last one…but I’ll have some video coming that’s much better!

    These work great for fishing the “next snag down”…just float them right up to it.

    Sorry…to hijack this…but Dave gave me a great segway!

    fireman731
    Miles, Iowa
    Posts: 574
    #470979

    Hey Briank…last time I saw a float that big was in the movie “JAWS” how many does it take to keep a big one off the bottom ?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #470983

    “…he can’t take three!!!”

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #471021

    Brian.. Moores has some really nice lighted floats at the shop. They are about 10″ long and take the thill type batteries… but they dont look like the one you have in the picture? They look like the standard big sucker minnow floating pencil type float.

    audemp
    Wi
    Posts: 721
    #471176

    When using floats would you suggest using a slightly lighter lb test under the swivel just in case you do snag up? Im sure if you use 80 for your main line and 65 for your leader you should not lose to many floats. Those buggers can get expensive!

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9362
    #471179

    Quote:


    When using floats would you suggest using a slightly lighter lb test under the swivel just in case you do snag up? Im sure if you use 80 for your main line and 65 for your leader you should not lose to many floats. Those buggers can get expensive!


    I don’t mean to laugh too hard, or start poking fun…..but, that put my Grandmothers image in my head big time Sorry Grandma, don’t throw lightning at me
    I spent more time as a kid chasing down her bobbers than I spent fishing

    Love ya Grandma
    Bret

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #471220

    I cerainly haven’t had years of expriance at this..yet…but I haven’t lost a float…or had to chase one down…yet…and of course I’m still using my 80 pound Power Pro through out.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #471305

    I was doing some float fishing last night and had some success with channels. The floats I mentioned in an earlier post I finaly had a chance to put on the line.. I was… surprised.

    The lighted floats are made by Lindy-little joe. There are 6″, 8″, and 10″ floats. I rigged my float at the bait shop and put 1/2 oz of wight onto the 6″ float 1st.. it sunk like a rock. I changed over to the 8″ float and put the 1/2 oz weight on.. it barely stayed on top(no hook or bait). I downsized the weight to 1/4 oz, tied on a swivel to stop the weight.. finished out the rig with a 3/0 Gamakatsu circle hook. I used shad 3″ shad for bait and the 8″ float worked good for that, but a bigger bait would not have worked at all. It took a while for weight to sink to the desired depth in light current.

    When the 10″ floats come in, I will give them a try and I will probably be more impressed. The floats I was using last night look like they could float a big sucker.. but a large leech might pull down the smaller of the two. They seem more suitable for crappie fishing.

    I was using 20# mono.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #471340

    Thanks for the info Dave. All this talk about float fishing has given me an itch. I like the idea of getting the scent trail a little off the bottom. Not a lot mind you, but up a little where the scent can carry further instead of being slower flowing water right on the bottom. I have had very good success in years past with floats for other species on the river too. Not sure why it hasn’t dawned on me to experiment a little. With the river down, there are more opportunities for this type of fishing. It doesn’t take too much work to control the bobber either. I know it is import to keep your rod tip up and the line out of the water as much as possible. And of course, mind your slack! I have been frustrated before by getting a bite and taking 10 seconds just to get the slack out. Many times that will be enough to pull the bait, or at least the hook, out of the fish’s mouth. I don’t mind bottom fishing when I am with people, but using a bobber when alone gives me something to do, other than watch gocatfish and hook’em69 fishing in a boat.

    gotcatfish
    Prior Lake,MN
    Posts: 550
    #471350

    Ha Ha very funny pug

    You gonna have some time to get out soon?

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #471366

    Yeah, I should be a little more available. Everytime I mention fishing, the GF encourages me to go. Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing!

    audemp
    Wi
    Posts: 721
    #471387

    Trust me it is a good thing! A word of advise take advantage of it!

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #471421

    I used to use a lindy bobber on the river too but lake fishing is where they shine. I use Thill bobbers on the lake with 10-12lb test mono, 30lb big cat shock tippet. Two splitshots and the secret weapon hanging down 4 feet below the bobber. this is a channel cat setup that has produced every Friday night since mid June.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #471627

    No one answered my question about the difference between a bank and bell sinker. Like I wrote, I think I know, but not sure.

    As I ponder this more, I am thinking I should stock up on bank and pyramids. I think pyramids might hold up best in heavy current without too many snags. You’d think with the point facing into the current, the angled sides would help the current secure it to the bottom. But with the eye on the fat end, any snag you hit would pretty much mean a retie. Banks I think would normally be my last choice, but I do like using them, especially on my lighter rigs.

    gotcatfish
    Prior Lake,MN
    Posts: 550
    #471655

    Pug- did you ask all of us something

    Hopefully I get this right-

    Bell sinker looks very similar to an egg sinker with a little plastic or wire eyelet, if I am correct.

    Bank sinkers have six flat sides and the eyelet is molded into the sinker.

    Hope I got that right, feel free to ridicule me to no end if I gave the wrong descriptions

    dfresh
    Fridley, MN
    Posts: 3053
    #471744

    I have tried them all. I used to use eggs fairly consistantly and would go through them quickly due to breakoffs.

    I bought a 25 count bag of 3 oz no rolls from catfish connection at the beginning of this year, and have MAYBE lost 5.

    I think I’ll be using no roles for a long time.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #471748

    There are certainly less expensive places to get no-roll from that CC….if you figure in shipping…(i’m not going to plug Moores or even Evert’s here… )

    It’s simply just not worth carrying around other types of sinkers unless I’m going ice fishing for cats.

    But not everyone fishes the same type of area that I do and it might be better for them to fish banks, bells…or whistles more often.

    ronzych
    Centerville,MN.
    Posts: 159
    #471770

    I got 45 no rolls on ebay for $16.00 including shipping. 3,4,5 oz. I don’t know if thats a good deal. Now I just have to use them someday

    Maybe in the tourny Saturday if I can go.

    larry_haugh
    MN
    Posts: 1767
    #471803

    Here is a sinker that reduced my Snag rate by 50%. I need to get some in smaller sizes.
    They are called Claw sinkers and are used more in surf fishing but they do keep the wieght from dropping into the rip rap.
    My current stock is a little on the heavy side but they worked wonders up under LD#1. They were passed on a good will gift.
    I do have a link on line, if your interested send me a PM and I will forward to you.

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