Favorite flathead fishing line?

  • Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #459785

    What do you guys prefer for color on your PP? Mine is green but that is because that is the color the store had. I have fished with guys with the yellow, but it doesn’t really seem to stand out more at night. Has anyone tried the plain white, and if so, how does that perform at night?

    larry_haugh
    MN
    Posts: 1767
    #459793

    I use the yellow and Green, I prefer the yellow but as with any super braid line the more you use it in the river the more it looks like that color.
    thanks
    Larry

    audemp
    Wi
    Posts: 721
    #459801

    The yellow PP, as I saw the other night with BrianK, stands out when you have your red led headlamp on. It was pretty cool… I wish the store would have had it…I had to settle for green. I bet the white would stand out with a blacklight.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #459839

    I’m telling you non-sporting fishermen…6# mono!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #459857

    Sportsmans Warehouse, Bob Moore’s Bait and Tackle…and Hooked on Fishing for you Rochester folk all stock Hi Vis PP…and I think they have 6 lb mono for the rest of you…

    While fishing the rocks around the P4 dam the other day…I was wishing I had a spool of PP. I was using the 30 pound Big Game and getting stuck in the rock…a lot. With the three PP rods, I could “lift and yank” the sinkers/hooks out of the rocks…with the mono…it just went “boing…boing” until I broke of the terminal tackle.

    Tomorrows to do list:
    Change lower unit grease
    Check water levels in batteries
    Wash boat
    Trash Mono

    Now that I think about it…Mono is too good to toss out…it makes great backing!

    emover
    Malcom, IA
    Posts: 1939
    #459988

    In the words of a true fly fisherman

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    Mono is too good to toss out…it makes great backing!


    Quote:


    Check water levels in batteries
    Wash boat



    and when you’re done, you can come do mine as well
    thanks

    dave

    kylepono
    La Crosse WI
    Posts: 16
    #460072

    having just started catfishing consistently I’ve been using PP #65 and #80, ABoo Garcia 7000C reels with Cat Stix’s though I haven’t really caught anything big the 10lb flathead I caught didn’t like flying through the water that much, both lines have put up with some abuse from several 12lb pike and a 17lb pike deadstick fishing too. PowerPro is my choice. I had some Yo Zuri H.D. Carbon left so I tied a 100# 10′ leader to the PowerPro feels pretty good but I’ll see if I hook a biggie…

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #553402

    *Bump*

    I was going to pose the question, but realized I could probably find an answer by doing a search. It is worth revisiting.

    I read in one of the In-Fisherman catfish guides how Dennis Steele likes using mono with circle hooks. I really like using circles and I like the forgiveness (stretch) of mono. However I have not had any issued using braided line, so I don’t see switching to thicker mono as a needed move.

    I am going over this post later tonight just the same to see what the thoughts out there are.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #553447

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    Did I mention I’m considering moving up to 100# PP next year??


    As an update to my post…it was brought up to me that if my line wasn’t breaking on fish, why would I up to 100 lbs Power Pro? I thought maybe to pull in a bigger tree??

    I’m sticking with the trusty old 80.

    audemp
    Wi
    Posts: 721
    #553684

    Or lost anchors! Right Farmboy????

    Darn Barges!!

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #553804

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    Or lost anchors! Right Farmboy????

    Darn Barges!!


    I blame it on something other then user error, I just don’t know what that is

    Jackofallspecies
    Andover, MN
    Posts: 43
    #554642

    Interesting discussion! I also have had problems now and again with PP breaking real soon after loading up on what I presumed was a nice flathead. (this seems to go in streaks) That is why I always bring at least one rod with mono. However, I recently watched the video from LOW last year and it still brings howls of disbelieving laughter over why those rods weren’t snapping under the pressure we were putting on the tackle. We never had a second thought that line might break and definitely had our backs into it. The 80# PP worked like a champ.
    I still have have those memories of losing cats though and whatever the reason, it doesn’t sit well with me. The UPS man delivered my goodies from Cabela’s yesterday and there is a spool of 150# PP ready to go on the big sticks tonight. looking at it I don’t know why I stopped there.. kinda wishing I went for 200. Overkill, you bet – but there’s something called peace of mind.

    Jeremiah Shaver
    La Crosse, WI
    Posts: 4941
    #554649

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    I have a hard enough time showing walleye guys how hard a hook should be set with out adding the extra handicap of streatch into the picture


    BK if you need help showing walleye guys how to set the hook i’m sure some of us bass guys can show them a thing or two

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    50# is for… bass fishing!




    I have to agree. I commonly use 50 and 65lb Power Pro for bass fishing.

    Just want to chime in a bit here b/c while I’m not always fishing deep holes like you catters, I know what it’s like to have to pull fish out of heavy timber and brush etc….I think it’s imperative to use braid in situations like this. A lot of times you can force a fish through the wood b/c heavy braid will actually break the wood….You’d never be able to do that with mono or flouro.

    I’ve gotten snagged on deep(to me) wood and pulled up tree limbs that were as long as my boat with braid….It’s tough, sensative, and I feel it will increase your hookup and landing percentages compared to other lines, no matter what species you are fishing for – but especially for cattin’.(specific to this application)

    Lastly, and correct me if i’m wrong, but a cat’s mouth is a lot tougher than other species of fish, and you really need to drive the hook to get penetration through the palette.(especially in flats), With P-Pro, you know when you set you are driving that hook where it needs to be.

    I’ll go back to the bass forum now

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #554658

    I think you folks are hitting zebra mussles when you break this stuff and it seams easy. I have been into some snags that I couldn’t get enough leverage to even break it. sometimes I have had to cut it when the dowel trick doesn’t work.

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #554661

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    I think you folks are hitting zebra mussles when you break this stuff and it seams easy.


    There’s a lot of broken concrete, culverts, jagged hunks of granite, rebar, and who knows what else in the Mississippi near Minneapolis. TOUGH STUFF!

    dfresh
    Fridley, MN
    Posts: 3053
    #554709

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    I think you folks are hitting zebra mussles when you break this stuff and it seams easy.


    There’s a lot of broken concrete, culverts, jagged hunks of granite, rebar, and who knows what else in the Mississippi near Minneapolis. TOUGH STUFF!


    I agree. I have pulle chunks of rebar or just plain wire out of the river numerouse times. Once I pulled in about a quarter of an ancient rusty barrel. My Mustad hook had dug about a 4 inch cut through it as a reeled it in. It was still sharp!

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #554759

    Whiskerkev… the dowel will work, or upgrade to a 1×2.. wrap it a couple moe times, make sure to overlap the wraps to stop the slippage.

    Please dont just cut the line… that snagged line turns into a snag itself and the snag grows.. on top of that, fish will pick the baits out of the snags and that line is going to get hooked on something and act as a *leash*. We had one flat in the 05′ season we had to do emergency surgery on.. it had 4 leaders complete with hooks and swivels in its mouth all nested up around the gills. That was 4″-6″ leaders.. I am sure the fish would have not survived if it ingested a long broken line.

    Its not a lot of fun pulling up to a favorite fishing spot, getting snagged up.. keep pulling it and you see your hook is tangled into another long section of super line! I dont think PP ever rots.. it can become a permanent snag.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #554934

    I got 80# PP…Red.

    Close circuit to Bob Moore, I still need the 300yrd spool for the old reel. I will also be looking to get a Quantum rod here before the water hits 55 degrees. I picked up a Quantum Salt Striker baitcasting reel. I wanted a Great White, but those are pretty much out of circulation. I think I’ll like this reel, because it is similar to my Quantum Iron bass reel.

    No one is allowed to make fun of my white colored reel Sunday.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #554950

    300 yards of line pug? Trolling for marlin soon?

    Most of us use mono backing.. then it doesnt cost $40 to spool a reel.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #554964

    The red is so you can’t see your blood?

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #554968

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    The red is so you can’t see your blood?


    Something like that!

    I am going to try some red line thi year to see if it improves the bite ratio. Red is supposed to pretty much dissapear at X depth.. I know I used to have a better bite ratio with flatheads on Clear 15# mono vs 20# clear mono. Coincidence? Probably. I havent noticed any particular patterns in Hi Vis heavy mono and Hi Vis super lines, but I did have more confidence in the low vis green power pro when the fishing was tough a couple years back.

    Last year fishing was just tough all together and no patterns could possibly stand out. Catching a flathead over 15# was more of a coincidence than an intent

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #554980

    Yeah, Bob told me about the mono backing. The Okuma I use has a pretty big spool. I just don’t know how much I would trust the knot if it ever got down to that. Then again, it is 80# PP and there would be no reason to get to that point. Now that I actually think about it, the mono backing is the way to go.

    By the way you guys can’t rib me about the baitcaster on the spinning rod. Got me a Berkley lightning rod for that one when I am frustrated with the cats and want to pursue easier game That old reel needs a good cleaning!

    Jeremiah Shaver
    La Crosse, WI
    Posts: 4941
    #555003

    2 tricks I haven’t seen mentioned yet….

    For those who don’t want to use mono backing, put a piece of electrical tape on your spool. This will help the line grip and will prevent slipage.

    2nd, if you spool all the way w/braid – that line is good for the year if not two – if you don’t want to waste the back end of that line, simply re-spool that line backwards onto another reel and the “fresh” line will now be used on the other reel.

    I know line gets expensive, I dropped 2 benjamins on line just this week …so I hope that helps.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #555007

    Just wondrun…why would someone not want to use mono backing? I’ve seen 300 yard spools of 20 lb for like 2 bucks.

    I’m missing the big picture here.

    To me, that’s what mono was made for. Ok, I’m kidding.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #552427

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    For those who don’t want to use mono backing, put a piece of electrical tape on your spool. This will help the line grip and will prevent slipage.


    Slop Bass..

    That works on small capacity reels(like your bass reels), but it leaves our cat reels with 1/3-1/2 capacity which results in very poor casting, and overall reel perfomance. All reels work best with a full spool. An Abu 7000 or Tekota 500 would likely take 400 yards of 65# power pro to fill(just a guess).

    Very good tip thoug I learned that the hard way spooling my bullhead(walleye) reels.

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #555058

    Thanks for the advice Dave. I don’t often leave expensive line in the river. I my 25 years of fishing for big cats I have only cut my line three or four times. I haven’t been able to target river flatties since my twin boys were born 3 years ago. The vast majority of the time I take nothing but pictures and leave nothing but waves and footprints.

    ronzych
    Centerville,MN.
    Posts: 159
    #555188

    I use electrical tape on all my reels. Walleye, panfish,Bass, oh and catfish. Even with just mono it cuts down on the amount that never gets used anyhow.

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    I just don’t know how much I would trust the knot if it ever got down to that.


    Pug with the size of fish you catch I don’t think you have to worry about that!

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #555202

    Remind me again how many flatheads you have caught. For those not in the know, that would be ZERO! And don’t blame me, I put us on the fish that one day. Just cuz Michelle outfished you, doesn’t mean you have to pout about it.

    Seriously though folks, I assume you are using blood knots to connect the lines. Therefore I imagine using identical line diameters is a must? So I should be comparing diameters and not # test, right? Since I believe PP says 80# PP = about 17lb test. However, depending on the brand and type of line, 17# test will have varying diameters.

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #555209

    I use a uni-to-uni knot (aka back-to-back uni, double uni). Works great and is easy to tie. Similar diameters are helpful. I use either 20 or 25 lb Big Game and 80 lb PP and it is just fine. I don’t bother putting more than 100 yards of PP.

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