Seeing some BABY flats

  • mudcatkid
    On water
    Posts: 663
    #1219432

    well, today and yesterday on our 24hour screen monitoring shift we impinged alot of tiny drum, buffalo, carp, etc………….. as well as some flatheads!!! This study i am helping with has been going on since April i believe, and we just started getting these tiny (50-60mm) flatheads lately on the MN river. Perhaps some spawn much earlier…..that could be the only reason for these flats to be this size allready. tomorow at work i am gonna try to look up some more info on flats and see if i can find an approximate age of that size tiny flathead.

    well, i have been up since 5:30am Monday and its 5:50 PM Tuesday, time to take a rest.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #373904

    That 5s 5nterest5ng 04dcat! “Sorry, Dumb Loc is stuck!)

    OK, That’s interesting Mudcat!. I know there’s a couple people on the board wanting to know what the average size of a flat is the first year in our muddy waters. Ie Tylers first fish thread…Tylers 12″ (?) fish.

    flatheadwi
    La Crosse, WI
    Posts: 578
    #373924

    One year old flatheads in Wisconsin averaged about 193mm in a study from the 1950s, and year two were around 300mm.

    That’s 7.5″ after one year, and about a foot after two years.

    Musta been young of the year you saw – I was catching spawned out females in early July, so that seems entirely possible.

    I have a great summary of Wisconsin flathead research which I might try to post a link to, but if you want it now, go to my website and the links page. You’ll need to download DjVu to read from the site. Not sure if I can legally put it in another format and direct you there.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #373940

    We witnessed a tiny flathead caught on pool 2 on July 4th or 5th this year.. this thing was around 4″ long, or a hair over.

    From what I encountered fishing this year, the fish spawned over a huge length of time up here(pool 1 and upper 2), with the prime in mid june, and the last of the fish spawned out about 2 weeks ago at the most.

    mudcatkid
    On water
    Posts: 663
    #376675

    ok, my job is done for the year….i contributed some info J/K……it may be insignificant to many, but i find fish biology pretty cool.

    After female lays eggs and male fertilizes them, the male guards the nest and fluffs/rotates the egg mass. Tank scenarios show that egg laying can last roughly 4.5 hours. The females are usually removed because past experiences had shown that she may eat or crush the eggs. In these tank observations, males were very protective and would even attack the female if she was too close to the proximity of the nest and even be killed. Hatching occurrs in about 6-7 days. The male guards the hatched young, until they ventured off to rocky or riffle areas. From my personal experience, the fish I was seeing while working were roughly 55mm and they were probably young of the year fingerlings, this week we only saw a couple but they were about 80mm if I remember correctly. The young of the year are basically pushed around water currents and riffles until they are about 2-4 inches then they seek start to their common holding grounds. We also E-fished up a TON of little guys (under 15″) last week. More stuff that i remeber researching is that age II fish were about 14 inches, by age V they were 20 inches. Age XVI was about 38 inches…. them lengths came from a study on the Mississippi near the Iowa border, so there may be some variance up here. Around these parts i belive fish mature around age IV or V…about 15-18″ i think. Also, from what I already know, smaller flatheads have a white patch on their caudual fin which is a sign of being immature.

    this is an extremely bried summary…..so correct me if i am wrong…

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