Live bait/bait tanks/chemicals and flatheads?

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1219363

    Ok guys, I need to draw on your experiance and opinions here.

    Yesterday, I filled my bait cooler with fresh tap water and added 4 drops (the recommended amount) of the chemical that takes out clorine from tap water. Normally, I use the water that’s in the bait tank…but I need to change it so I use fresh for the cooler.

    Took the wife and daughter and met up with Ralph the Noober and Blacksportsman and his wife (DARK30? Were are you?). We had 6 lines in the water…and the only run came on Ralph’s rod at 9:30. This is not normal for fishing this area. At the time we were thinking it was the high water….but on the way home…I started pondering other thoughts.

    When I arrived Ralph and Manny put their bullies in with mine…

    Ralphs run came from a bullie that was already being fished and never made it into the suspect water.

    Do you think our bad luck was from the water level rising or was it attributed to the chemicals in the water that remove the clorine?

    As a side note: I’ve used this chemical for some time now…never notice a problem…but this was the first time I used fresh water and the chemical in the bait cooler to tranport the bait to the fishing location

    Thanks for your thoughts!

    steve-demars
    Stillwater, Minnesota
    Posts: 1906
    #367674

    Brian – I don’t think your bait water conditioners have any affect on your fishing success. With all the rain and the rapidly rising water I would think that may have a larger affect. Everytime I go out I use fresh water in my bait bucket and treat it with a dechlorinator. My bait, especially the bullheads are always very lively. I use tap water in my 100 gallon bait tank and change about 30% to 35% of the water every 5 days or so. I also run a large 110 gallon aquarium power filter and run two 10″ airstones. I treat the water with a product that is call “AmQuel Plus+ which removes the chlorine and neutralizes the ammonia released from the water conditioning process. My bait is doing great, the bait tank water is clear. I keep about 75 bullheads at any one time. I have had problems keeping my suckers alive – I may need to separate them from the bullheads. My suckers seem to die off within a few days. Bullheads are hardy little devils and it doesn’t take much to keep them going. Here is something I just pulled down from the internet which explains the chemistry of the whole process:

    Chemical Dechlorinators
    There are many products sold for aquarium use that are specifically intended to remove chlorine. Several brand names include: Prime, AmQuel, AP Tap Water Conditioner, Aquasafe Plus, and many more. These all include Sodium Thiosulfate, which reacts with the chlorine (or the chlorine portion of the chloramine) to form harmless chloride ions. The chlorine is completely and totally removed. This reaction happens instantly. The tap water doesn’t need to be mixed with the dechlorinator for any amount of time before adding it to the tank. It’s safe to just add the dechlorinator as you add the water into the tank.
    There is one potential problem if your water is treated with chloramine. As stated above, the dechlorinator reacts with the chlorine portion of the chloramine. The chlorine is eliminated, leaving the ammonia free in the water. As you hopefully know, ammonia is toxic to fish, even in low levels. So, if you use a simple dechlorinator that only contains sodium thiosulfate, you are solving one problem (chlorine) and creating a new problem (ammonia).

    Lucky for us aquarists, our aquarium product companies have a solution. Many of the dechlorinator water conditioners include chemicals to convert the ammonia into harmless ammonium. Look a a few labels. My favorite one, Seachem Prime, states: “Removes chlorine, chloramine, and ammonia”. Others that I’m sure handle the ammonia include Tetra “AquaSafe NH/CL Formula”, Jungle’s “ACE”, Kordon’s “AmQuel”, and Kent’s “Professional Ammonia Detox”. If the label doesn’t specifically mention that it neutralizes ammonia, then don’t depend on it to safely treat water containing chloramines.

    dirk_w.
    Minnesota
    Posts: 669
    #367677

    How much does the amonia remover cost and how long will it last you? Same thing with the 110 gallon filter. I’ve always thought about a filter system but havent put one in. Sounds like you have yourself a good system. The worst is when your bullies get that white mold stuff growing on them. I haven’t figured how to get rid of that stuff but I bet prevention is the best medicine.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #367679

    Thanks Steve…just for clarification…the bh’s are lively…I was thinking more of a change in their smell…If the chemical attached to their slime coat?

    I just thought it was odd that the only run came from a bh that wasn’t in my cooler/water.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #367680

    Dirk, a quart bottle (1/2 teaspoon to 20 gallons) run about $10. at Petsmart ect. I believe it’s the same the Steve uses.

    Do you get the mold when the water warms up?

    Steve and I caught our bh’s at the same time just over two months ago…I haven’t seen this “mold” yet. My water just reached 65 yesterday. I don’t have a filter…but have been watching Steve’s sucess closely. If my tank goes south…I’ll be getting a “outdoor pond” filter similar to Fishheads. Steve has the cattle tank and his filter sit on the edge.

    dirk_w.
    Minnesota
    Posts: 669
    #367681

    The mold occurs when the fish have been in the tank for quite some time, maybe a month. They usually don’t last that long but occasionally its a problem. And yes, when the water warms it happens more. I’ve heard tetracycline works so it must be a bacteria. It’s cheaper for me to just catch more bullheads so I haven’t used it.

    steve-demars
    Stillwater, Minnesota
    Posts: 1906
    #367684

    Dirk – The water conditioner I use is called “AmQuel Plus+”. I got it on a price match at Petsmart. I buy the 16 ounce bottle. I paid $9.99 which is what is quoted on the Petsmart website. They wanted $13.99 on the store shelf. I printed the website price and carried that in with me and they matched the website price. I do an ammonia test on my tank every 5 days and usually do a 30 to 35 gallon water change with tap water and then treat the water with 2 ounces of AmQuel Plus+ (I could probably just use 1 1/2 ounces). With a 16 ounce bottle I get 8 treatments which is about 2 months worth.

    The aquarium power Filter is an AquaClear 110 Power Filter. I have been running it since early April. I got it at PetSmart again on a price match. The website price was $34.99 and they wanted $78 off the shelf. Go to the Petsmart website and search the aquarium power filter section.

    One thing I learned the hard way is to not add my bullheads to my bait tank for at least 36 hours after I catch them. A few weeks ago I went out and caught a dozen nice 6 1/2 to 7 inch bullheads and dumped them in my tank. The next morning when I checked my tank they had crapped and regurgitated an incredible amount of slime and crud into my tank. It totally plugged my power filter and I had to take it out and clean it and all the filters completely. I ended up draining the tank and refilling it to get all the crud out. Now I keep the bullheads in a separate bucket for at least 36 hours until they are crapped out. I have had no problems since I started doing this.

    I keep my bait tank in a small shed in my boat carport. This keeps it out of the weather and I am able to lock it up. I am a little paranoid that one of the grandkids may fall in it and get hurt. This also keeps the critters from trying to steal my bullheads. Here is a picture of my setup:

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #367687

    Crystal clear water!

    mile832
    MN
    Posts: 565
    #367690

    I saw Steve’s tank a while ago….. it was like Sea-World!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #367862

    FYI~ until last night I was all but convinced the water treatment could be “smelled” by a cat and it turned them away from chewing on my bait…

    I did the exact same thing last night…5 drops into clean water and headed to the river….the 44 pounder didn’t seem to care….

    With the exception of Steves info…this post can be deleted!

Viewing 11 posts - 1 through 11 (of 11 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.