So what are the opinions. Will unvaccinated Americans ever be allowed to travel to and fish in Canada again?
March 9, 2022 at 8:46 am
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March 9, 2022 at 9:22 am #2106190
Ever? Probably. Forever, as the Purple One sang, is a mighty long time.
But if you want to talk more foreseeable timeframes… The next year? No. No way that Canada is going to change course and drop the requirement in 2022.
In 2023? Possible, but unlikely IMO.
Keep in mind that approaching 80% of American adults have had one or two doses already and by the peak of the summer tourist season, it is likely that 75% of Americans will be fully vaccinated. By the end of 2022, over 80% will likely be fully vaccinated. So the bottom line is Canada will experience very little economic loss from those who are barred from entering and that will leave their government little to no motivation to change the policy in 2023.
Beyond that, it depends. Does COVID disappear almost completely? Or does it become a constant with peaks and valleys in cases depending on the transmissibility and severity of whatever the current variant is? The only way vaccine requirements for travelers to Canada are going away is if the former is the case.
March 9, 2022 at 9:28 am #2106197it is likely that 75% of Americans will be fully vaccinated. By the end of 2022, over 80% will likely be fully vaccinated.
What’s the definition of fully vaccinated these days? Seems to change every few weeks. Is it 3 jabs, 4 jabs or 5 jabs?
March 9, 2022 at 9:29 am #2106201Does COVID disappear almost completely? Or does it become a constant with peaks and valleys in cases depending on the transmissibility and severity of whatever the current variant is? The only way vaccine requirements for travelers to Canada are going away is if the former is the case.
Respiratory viruses will never go away. They run their course and are replaced by something else. Hence the reason there was no influenza essentially the last 2 years because it was replaced by Covid 19.
March 9, 2022 at 9:43 am #2106209What’s the definition of fully vaccinated these days?
Keeping it relevant to this discussion, Canada’s definition is that you must have had either the second dose of the original course of vaccine or a booster within the previous 6 months.
March 9, 2022 at 9:44 am #2106210Hence the reason there was no influenza essentially the last 2 years because it was replaced by Covid 19.
Not necessarily. Our behavior and mitigation measures, plus more people actually getting their influenza vaccine is the reason why flu was almost non-existent. Each new variant of Covid replaced the previous one, you are correct on that. We went from alpha to beta to delta to omicron.
Influenza will make a comeback just like RSV has. There is an outbreak of avian influenza currently occurring in Nebraska and South Dakota which is threatening to wipe out entire flocks of chickens and turkeys.
March 9, 2022 at 9:44 am #2106212Keeping it relevant to this discussion, Canada’s definition is that you must have had either the second dose of the original course of vaccine or a booster within the previous 6 months.
Looks like I wont be going to Canada for a while then. Had the one dose J&J and no plans to get another.
March 9, 2022 at 9:46 am #2106213Looks like I wont be going to Canada for a while then. Had the one dose J&J and no plans to get another.
Canada’s definition is different than ours based on the CDC’s terminology. But yes what Grouse indicated is accurate in terms of their definition.
March 9, 2022 at 9:48 am #2106216What’s the definition of fully vaccinated these days? Seems to change every few weeks. Is it 3 jabs, 4 jabs or 5 jabs?
Canada has been consistent with their crossing requirements since August. They make no sense and are not logical in any way, but at least they’ve been consistent.
Oh and the vaccination requirement to enter Canada is not going away any time soon.
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March 9, 2022 at 9:49 am #2106221Not necessarily. Our behavior and mitigation measures, plus more people actually getting their influenza vaccine is the reason why flu was almost non-existent. Each new variant of Covid replaced the previous one, you are correct on that. We went from alpha to beta to delta to omicron.
Those mitigation measures were pure theatre. None of them made any difference. Influenza was non existent across the entire world through the first few variants of covid. RSV in kids was non-existent as well, but now is running rampant across the globe.
You can look at graphs of cases and deaths from areas with strict enforcement with lockdowns, masks etc and line them up with areas with little or no restrictions and they essentially follow each other. Its called seasonality. Not necessarily coinciding with the weather seasons, but it goes in waves and generally geographical areas follow each other. New Zealand is having a massive wave. They were lauded for their handling of the pandemic early on and really changed nothing since, but now they have some of the highest case rates in the World.March 9, 2022 at 9:50 am #2106222Canada has been consistent with their crossing requirements since August. They make no sense and are not logical in any way, but at least they’ve been consistent.
Oh and the vaccination requirement to enter Canada is not going away any time soon.
That is right they have been consistent. Does that mean 1 J&J shot is good? Sometimes the wording of these things is confusing.
March 9, 2022 at 9:58 am #2106229Influenza was non existent across the entire world through the first few variants of covid.
Why do you think influenza was non-existent during the first wave of covid? Because we were staying home and avoiding other people. If you aren’t around other people, how can you get the flu? I’m strictly talking about influenza, not covid.
New Zealand and Hong Kong are having a massive wave right now. I don’t disagree with that. Their approach has been much different than other countries.
Regardless, the OP asked about Canadian entry restrictions, so I’ll leave it at that and try not to send this thing off course.
March 9, 2022 at 10:02 am #2106234That is right they have been consistent. Does that mean 1 J&J shot is good? Sometimes the wording of these things is confusing.
“at least 1 dose of the Janssen/Johnson & Johnson vaccine”
J&J is good to go. Even if it was a year ago with no boosters.
March 9, 2022 at 10:04 am #2106235Why do you think influenza was non-existent during the first wave of covid? Because we were staying home and avoiding other people. If you aren’t around other people, how can you get the flu? I’m strictly talking about influenza, not covid.
How is influenza different than Covid? They are both respiratory viruses spread in essentially the same fashion. How could one disappear while the other prosper under the same conditions? The reason influenza disappeared is because it was replaced by covid.
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