Build Back Better??? (Tax related)

  • stevenoak
    Posts: 1719
    #2101775

    With government spending off the rails. I’m not sure everyones taxes doubling would make a dent. Am I the only one to wonder the balance of the National Reserve. My understanding it was dwindling when our debt was under one trillion. Now that it’s jumping over a trillion with every pen stroke. It scares me, with all the military conflicts boiling. I’m 65. When I graduated highschool, I knew one person that got money from the government that wasn’t retired. Her dad died when she was young. She got a few hundred bucks for college. I don’t think I knew anyone that did’nt work and pay taxes after high school or college, with the exception of an occasional house parent. Now they pay people not to work.

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13647
    #2101783

    I’m still not understanding the correlation between a difference in a person’s tax filings and build back better.

    Dan, every year our tax liability is adjusted to pay for everything the government does. The Build Back Better bulls will be scrutinized more because of the huge spending bills and the funding for them. Some parts of the recent bills are funded by reallocating funds from other programs that are discontinued or modified. Other parts are directly back to your current income tax, fees, and other taxes hurried into anything they can hide it in. Same goes for your state budget.

    Most income tax changes are subtle and most lower middle class don’t see much of a change. Often small business owners are hit the worst. It can be little things like a change in Mileage reimbursement, % of deductions, what and how existing rules apply, other “credits” like child care caps, medical, and so on.

    Simple returns with basic W-2’s, mortgage interest, property tax, dependents…. are usually adjusted by late December and is available (in software) by early January. Families in this category see a little fluctuation and it’s usually a slight change in tax credits and tax rate.

    I haven’t had a W-2 in decades. I have two businesses and some years I’m just dumbfounded. What and how they tweak what I can claim or a percentage of something can be as fluid as a swamp. I leave the majority of it to my accountant. He will have me re-categorize expenses and he works his magic.

    One of the big tickets that was in the funding for earlier BBB bills was changes to inheritance, capital gains, and LAND TRUSTS. As far as I know, none of these major changes hit this tax year. But modify roll over rules, one time exemptions, and worst – busting land trusts. Imagine having a dairy farm that has the land in a family trust. If that’s busted and it goes in your name as a capital gain and you need to pay even 20% on a 1.5 million dollar farm. 300k tax bill would squash almost any small farm.

    ajw
    Posts: 521
    #2101789

    Ive never understood people paying extra on purpose so they get a refund. Give the government an interest free loan for a year? makes no sense.

    Michael C. Winther
    Reedsburg, WI
    Posts: 1513
    #2101792

    Let’s Go Brandon!

    MOST topics are welcome. Posts of political or religious nature will be deleted.

    doah jester hah

    mnrabbit
    South Central Minnesota
    Posts: 815
    #2101798

    Anyone know how the child credit direct payments impact taxes? I was under the impression that they would be lowering our refund if you didn’t turn them off.

    It was an advanced credit for 6 months. So rather than getting a credit of $3,000 (ages 6-17) or $3,600 (ages 0-5) with your tax return. You have already gotten 1/12 of that each month for the last 6 months. Lots of people will be upset when their normal refund is lower than other years, but they fail to realize they already got part of their refund each month for the last 6 months.

    Joe Jarl
    SW Wright County
    Posts: 1970
    #2101801

    Lots of people will be upset when their normal refund is lower than other years, but they fail to realize they already got part of their refund each month for the last 6 months.

    This right here. Not saying this is the case with you B-Man, but there are going to be a lot of people b*%$#ing this year about their tax refund or lack thereof. Best bet for anybody is to look at 2 lines on your return. Taxable income and total tax (not tax owed or tax refund). If income and deductions were close to the year before, your total tax should be similar as well.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 12074
    #2101829

    damn you guys got me scared!!!! doah i got an appointment coming up in march.

    since i retired my pension nor SS doesnt take state taxes out, i filled out new W4’s for the feds now i’m wondering if i did it right>>????????? the state i pay in 1/4erly..boy does that bite!!!!!!

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20797
    #2101836

    Why would any one want a hand out for the child tax credit? I don’t understand that

    Hot Runr Guy
    West Chicago, IL
    Posts: 1933
    #2101843

    Why would any one want a hand out for the child tax credit? I don’t understand that

    Because there are people who live week to week, and want the money now, rather than wait for a tax return.

    HRG

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12103
    #2101845

    I’m still not understanding the correlation between a difference in a person’s tax filings and build back better.

    As far as this years Tax Brackets go you may be correct. Although as Randy pointed out there are other ways to increase taxes than through simple tax brackets. With the amount of spending being done under ” Build back better ” one of two things is GOING to happen. Either taxes will need to be raised ( Most likely on Business’s and Middle Income groups ) or the national debt will go up at a crazy alarming rate. Now if you are fine with Leaving future generations having to pay off debt that this Generation racked up, or if your not in a income group who will be effected by higher taxes in the near future, I can see where you think ” Build back Better ” spending is a Great thing.

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20797
    #2101852

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bearcat89 wrote:</div>
    Why would any one want a hand out for the child tax credit? I don’t understand that

    Because there are people who live week to week, and want the money now, rather than wait for a tax return.

    HRG

    Well they still live week to week no matter what. Most people do. What’s considered week to week. Banking on a tax return as a income source is the stupidest thing

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11824
    #2101853

    I’m still not understanding the correlation between a difference in a person’s tax filings and build back better.

    The correlation is there’s no correlation.

    $2900 bill = something changed. If your tax prep person can’t tell you what it was, get the taxes done by somebody else. No way can you have an unexplained $2900+ increase.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12103
    #2101857

    <$2900 bill = something changed. If your tax prep person can’t tell you what it was, get the taxes done by somebody else. No way can you have an unexplained $2900+ increase.

    100% agree. I would either be getting a answer out of my Tax person or i would be getting a new tax person and would not be paying this one another $. My guess is either a mistake was made in past years or a mistake was made this Year.

    tight_lines
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 104
    #2101859

    B-Man – the first thing I would do is look over your W2s from last year and this year and look at the withholdings. Did you have any job changes? Withholdings are not where you claim 1 or 2 or 0 anymore you have to actually calculate out what you need to do.

    But it would make a lot more sense if you noticed that you had a lot more withheld in 2020 than in 2021. Its definitely over complicated best of luck getting it straightened out.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12103
    #2101863

    A little off topic , but since there are a lot of people who seem to have some tax knowledge on here. Does anyone know how the PPP loan thing ended up in regards to taxable income. The reason I’m asking is I was expecting to have to deal with it last tax year, but due to the date it was forgiven by the SBA it falls under 2021 Taxes. At my tax appointment with my accountant last year he said it was good that it did not fall on the 2020 tax year. As of that tax season the income from the PPP was not taxable on Federal but was on state in Minnesota. He said that they left it up to each state rather to treat it as taxable income or not and as of 2020 tax year the Minnesota had decided it was taxable ( one of only a few states who decided it was taxable by the way – Yes hard to believe I know ). He also said it was under review and may change by the following tax year. I guess I will find out in a few weeks when I meet with my accountant to go over this years taxes. I sure hope its not taxable or i may end up like the original poster and end up owing.

    stout93
    Becker MN
    Posts: 981
    #2101864

    I would say get a copy of your 2020 and 2021 1040 forms and compare them line by line. I’m guessing you’ll be able to see where the difference (or mistake) was made within a few minutes..

    joe-winter
    St. Peter, MN
    Posts: 1281
    #2101868

    I do my own taxes every year….. I was anticipating a bigger hit this year.

    We decided to take the advancement of the child tax credit. I figured it would just diminish my refund or increase my payment in. So we just took the checks and deposited them and waited for taxes to come due.

    I am pretty sure the advancement was 1/12th of the original $2000 tax credit per child. (not the $3600/$3000 new credit available this year). We received a total of $2000 in checks (2 kids over 5 yo) from this “benefit”. After finishing my taxes, we owe that $2000 back plus $900 which is typical from the past couple years.

    If your Joint return’s AGI was less then $150K, you would have received an additional $1600 (kids under 5) and $1000 (kids 5 and over). Which is new this year and could explain why Crappie received more than normal.

    I’m not sure what to think of B-Man’s scenario……. possible changes in taxes to small/personal business as Randy suggested?

    In the end, for my family, this year was the same as the last couple.

    The biggest factor (from a negative standpoint) for my taxes in the past few years came under Trump. Under Itemized deductions they capped how much State Income and Property taxes I could claim and this alone reduced my refund by approximately $1000. For folks who take the Standard Deduction, the Trump plan was great, for those who Itemize not so much.

    my 2 cents anyway.

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17826
    #2101883

    Good information Joe. waytogo

    Beast
    Posts: 1141
    #2101888

    the slogan should of been bend over better, anyone that’s on a fixed income is screwed 6 ways to Sunday.

    B-man
    Posts: 5944
    #2101896

    Comparing my 2020 return and my 2021 for some reason I paid in less federal than I did the year prior. I changed jobs half way through 2020 and have a call out to payroll to see what is being withheld for this year (2022).

    I wasn’t expecting to get much of a return this year since we never opted out of the child tax credit, but getting a sizeable bill was not anticipated.

    As mentioned earlier, the goal is to break even. Last year our tax lady said we should be able to keep things the same as we have and end up getting a small refund, but her estimate last year wasn’t spot on.

    In 2020 we paid $3,150 more into federal (compared to 2021) and had a $2,900 refund.

    I would have thought we would have been very close to the 0 mark for 2021, but apparently not.

    I’ll obviously have to increase my withholdings this year to avoid another bill next spring…yippee

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12103
    #2101898

    the slogan should of been bend over better, anyone that’s on a fixed income is screwed 6 ways to Sunday.

    No matter what you call it, it will end up hurting a LOT of Americans one way or another. This Government is spending money like its endless and national Debt just doesn’t matter. We are just starting to see the tip of the inflation this is going to cause.

    stout93
    Becker MN
    Posts: 981
    #2101904

    The biggest factor (from a negative standpoint) for my taxes in the past few years came under Trump. Under Itemized deductions they capped how much State Income and Property taxes I could claim and this alone reduced my refund by approximately $1000. For folks who take the Standard Deduction, the Trump plan was great, for those who Itemize not so much.

    my 2 cents anyway.

    I think for most people (90% according to experts), the standard deduction (the past few years) has been greater than their itemized deductions would be. I believe the standard deduction basically doubled in 2018. I used to itemize but in 2018 and forward, using the standard deduction is way better.

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17826
    #2101907

    I used to itemize but in 2018 and forward, using the standard deduction is way better.

    Its also way easier. Don’t need to keep track of documents for itemized deductions anymore now.

    Brent Siebenaler
    Posts: 78
    #2101914

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dan wrote:</div>
    I’m still not understanding the correlation between a difference in a person’s tax filings and build back better.

    As far as this years Tax Brackets go you may be correct. Although as Randy pointed out there are other ways to increase taxes than through simple tax brackets. With the amount of spending being done under ” Build back better ” one of two things is GOING to happen. Either taxes will need to be raised ( Most likely on Business’s and Middle Income groups ) or the national debt will go up at a crazy alarming rate. Now if you are fine with Leaving future generations having to pay off debt that this Generation racked up, or if your not in a income group who will be effected by higher taxes in the near future, I can see where you think ” Build back Better ” spending is a Great thing.

    I do my own taxes every year….. I was anticipating a bigger hit this year.

    We decided to take the advancement of the child tax credit. I figured it would just diminish my refund or increase my payment in. So we just took the checks and deposited them and waited for taxes to come due.

    I am pretty sure the advancement was 1/12th of the original $2000 tax credit per child. (not the $3600/$3000 new credit available this year). We received a total of $2000 in checks (2 kids over 5 yo) from this “benefit”. After finishing my taxes, we owe that $2000 back plus $900 which is typical from the past couple years.

    If your Joint return’s AGI was less then $150K, you would have received an additional $1600 (kids under 5) and $1000 (kids 5 and over). Which is new this year and could explain why Crappie received more than normal.

    I’m not sure what to think of B-Man’s scenario……. possible changes in taxes to small/personal business as Randy suggested?

    In the end, for my family, this year was the same as the last couple.

    The biggest factor (from a negative standpoint) for my taxes in the past few years came under Trump. Under Itemized deductions they capped how much State Income and Property taxes I could claim and this alone reduced my refund by approximately $1000. For folks who take the Standard Deduction, the Trump plan was great, for those who Itemize not so much.

    my 2 cents anyway.

    X2 on getting hit harder with the changes on deducting state income tax and property tax as well as union dues for me.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8719
    #2101927

    Why would any one want a hand out for the child tax credit? I don’t understand that

    I’m not following. The child tax credit has been around for 25 years, so have you never taken it?

    It was just increased this year from $2000 to $3000 and applied monthly instead of annually.

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