Boy scouts now accepting girls.

Derogatory?

Guy like us we had it made, those were the days……

Well this could get interesting..

Lindyrig wrote.
What is wrong with letting boys be boys and letting them learn and develop their masculinity?

A professor down in Texas is saying masculinity is a mental illness. You bet the professor was a she

blank wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Randy Wieland wrote:</div>
Guess I don’t know really what to think or say about the Scouts. I have 2 daughter’s and no sons. Did a brief period of Time of the girls in girl scouts and it was a waste of time. Sleep overs and crap artsy crafts. Girls quit and I was happy, more time for real stuff with my girls. At the time, it was boys only for BSA. So our mindset was screw those sexist bassturds. Plus, it all depends on the leader a group has anyways.

Did you actually approach the local Boy Scout troop about having your girls join them?

Yep, no go. Best option was 4H.

For all the narrow minded people that are just saying Just change the girl scouts, wow. You really have no clue how these organizations are ran. Changing the girl scouts head organization would be like having all the head PETA freaks at my house for a pig roast.

Oh well, neither would have been a good fit for us. I got a chuckle out of seeing a guy make pinewood derby cars for kids that weren’t allowed to use tools….my daughter builds houses in her spare time

Boys belong in boy scouts and girls belong in girl scouts. Simple as that. Now before you gasp, let me also add that both scouts should be able to decide on activities that meet the needs of the group. Are the girls wanting to join boy scouts because they want to go camping and learn about knives? They should be able to do that in their girl scout group! Similarly the boys can learn about baking and sewing if they want to as well- in boy scouts. There’s no need to mix the two to cater to an ever-changing world of preferences.

There was a reason these were separated for so long. Both genders in their youth might be more comfortable learning with their similarly gendered peers. Gender equality doesn’t mean IGNORING the genders and their differences – it means embracing their unique qualities and encouraging environments which helps our youth develop who they were born to be. You can’t deny that, generally speaking, boys are more competitive than girls. Learning together isn’t always the best option. This all being said, I grew up in a world of traditional girl scouts whose activities didn’t interest me. So I didn’t join them. I hung out with my family, and particularly my dad who taught me a lot about fishing, bugs, rocks, playing in the dirt – all the good stuff. You don’t need an outside organization like the scouts to learn. It’s just one option out of many, and if it doesn’t suit you or your kids’ interests then chose something else. Changing to mixed genders is a poor idea.

I think the message is getting confused. There is nothing wrong with teaching girls skills that boys were traditionally taught. The rub is forcing the girls into the boys club. I see no reason not to keep the boy scouts for the boys. I also see no reason boys should be allowed into the girl scouts.

Sometimes this whole equality thing loses it’s common sense. Boys are boys and girls are girls.

Randy, most times agree with you, but come on… yeah you have daughters, so any father with a son, who thinks that their son being in the scouts with only boys is sexist …. that’s a stretch and I don’t believe you think that way either. I have no kids so, I am looking at this from no point of view until today. Randy, do you think your girls should/could/would want to be members in the frat house, guarantee the frat houses have different “exposure” than the sororities do and some frat houses turn out some very influential folks so……? You and I both know, when little boys and young men go camping, stuff happens. Lot’s of new discoveries… lot’s of snickering, lot’s of “learning and growing up” Just because less than 1% of our population struggles with their sexuality, does not mean the other 99% do. You should have started the outdoor group or something, you could sell cookies and have a soap box derby… and even have a top performer called the great person award… I don’t think forcing millions of young people together at an awkward time in their lives, is the right answer. Kumbaya.

Very well said big g.

blank wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jon Jordan wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>pool2fool wrote:</div>
What’s a “Nancy boy?”

….meaning light-in-the-loafers, but harmless and not at all threatening or predatory.

-J.

Grow up

Where’s the fun in that??

suzuki wrote:

It was either run out of money or give in to the liberals and discard traditional values.

What are the traditional values discarded? Is gender specific in an organization a value? Segregation a value? IT maybe true the organization changed policy to save itself but I don’t see values being discarded.

Awkward time in their lives? Dude, get some kids.

At that age nothing is awkward except the invisible kuddies. When boobs start coming into play, yeah it gets weird but that’s a long time before scouts.

Only thing awkward for some here would be seeing these tough girls showing up these panzy boys nowadays in the woods and in other traditional dude things.

Glad to see so many opinions here…how many of you folks are Eagle Scouts or Assistant Scoutmasters and have seen the steady decline in voluntary participation in the program?…The BOY SCOUTS are not what they used to be. Adapt or die off…they chose to adapt. I received my Eagle at 15 and was an Assistant Scoutmaster from the day I turned 18 until life got too busy for the changing BS. I was also a camp counselor at Tomahawk SR for many years. I loved scouting and what it stood for.

These changes are to please the masses and hopefully turn these troops around and increase participation. For me, I see it as a knife in the back of traditional scouting, but to each their own…One side of me hopes the whole program goes down in a wreck, but the other half hopes the changes continue to evolve scouting for the “better”…

I was going to become a member of a website that discusses modern social and political issues on the regular but then I realized I was already a member of IDO so no need

Crappies should start biting any day now

G- I get your point and respect it, though I don’t entirely agree with it.

My real frustration was wanting my girls to have exposure if things from a perspective of outside the home. Anyone with kids, regardless of boy or girl, encounters a time when kids will of often listen to others more than their parents. They also can learn more.
When we approached the leaders of both groups about activities we immediately hit a wall. It was the first time I actually had to deal with the stereotypes and yes I was pissed. Absolutely no hardcore wintercamping or anything else associated to “boyscouts”. The girl scouts were all about “domestic skills”. Boy scouts were all about no girls.
So as I stated earlier, they were not a fit for us. It’s my personal beliefs that keeping boys and girls separated and not providing equal oppertunity is being sexist.
I’m not encouraging 10 year old kids to hop in the sleeping bag together. Reasonable precautions need to be in place.
If people want a place that their son can go to that will provide a padded bubble environment away from girls, fine. That’s where a third option could be the best solution.

I driven into my daughter’s heads that they can do or achieve anything that they earn. Well, we’ve learned a lot of harsh realities along the way. Ya, girls get some fair opportunities in some fields. But even at a college level I’ve been shocked at how they get encouraged to take less. Fortunately for my two, no one will break their determination. Unfortunately, there are young ladies that didn’t get the same message and give into those recommendations that fall short of their true potential. So do I feel that both the girl’s and boy scout organizations fall into a piece of that puzzle – YES

Gender neutral bathrooms are a thing. Why would this surprise anyone?

In its purist form this sounds great.

Enter the boy scout(s) being dropped off to give the single parent a break or time with other kids. I’ve witnessed many boys at that age coaching puck & I’d have to guess the overnighter camping trips will present some issues not currently present in boys nor girls scouting world. I imagine when that happens the blame will be firmly placed on poor troop leadership, etc.

Lastly, it would be fun to know how many proponents from both sides have either been a troop leader or had kids involved. Our oldest started but was super bored. Guess they preferred the adventures I brought them up partaking in. Our fires were always bigger, LOL! Knives and other dangerous items were always a part of their lives only after the safety lessons…

Always interesting to observe the never ending evolution of America….

How sad.
Just another step in the sissyfication of this country..
How dare boys have a group AND girls have a group!!!!!! They need to be pushed together in the name of equality !

Thank you to all the new era “Sally type parents”….

nhamm wrote:

Awkward time in their lives? Dude, get some kids.

At that age nothing is awkward except the invisible kuddies. When boobs start coming into play, yeah it gets weird but that’s a long time before scouts.

Only thing awkward for some here would be seeing these tough girls showing up these panzy boys nowadays in the woods and in other traditional dude things.

Am I missing something here ? Cub scouts are 10 and under correct ? BOY Scouts (which is being discussed) are 11-17…? maybe I am out of touch.. maybe they are sexting each other at 6 and 7, snap chatting nude pics by 9 and so by 12, they are all already seasoned with many sexual partners of many genders… sorry, I will bow out, I have no skin in this game… literally.

nhamm wrote:

Awkward time in their lives? Dude, get some kids.

At that age nothing is awkward except the invisible kuddies. When boobs start coming into play, yeah it gets weird but that’s a long time before scouts.

Only thing awkward for some here would be seeing these tough girls showing up these panzy boys nowadays in the woods and in other traditional dude things.

I seriously laughed at how ignorant his reply was.

Randy Wieland wrote:

G- I get your point and respect it, though I don’t entirely agree with it.

My real frustration was wanting my girls to have exposure if things from a perspective of outside the home. Anyone with kids, regardless of boy or girl, encounters a time when kids will of often listen to others more than their parents. They also can learn more.
When we approached the leaders of both groups about activities we immediately hit a wall. It was the first time I actually had to deal with the stereotypes and yes I was pissed. Absolutely no hardcore wintercamping or anything else associated to “boyscouts”. The girl scouts were all about “domestic skills”. Boy scouts were all about no girls.
So as I stated earlier, they were not a fit for us. It’s my personal beliefs that keeping boys and girls separated and not providing equal oppertunity is being sexist.
I’m not encouraging 10 year old kids to hop in the sleeping bag together. Reasonable precautions need to be in place.
If people want a place that their son can go to that will provide a padded bubble environment away from girls, fine. That’s where a third option could be the best solution.

I driven into my daughter’s heads that they can do or achieve anything that they earn. Well, we’ve learned a lot of harsh realities along the way. Ya, girls get some fair opportunities in some fields. But even at a college level I’ve been shocked at how they get encouraged to take less. Fortunately for my two, no one will break their determination. Unfortunately, there are young ladies that didn’t get the same message and give into those recommendations that fall short of their true potential. So do I feel that both the girl’s and boy scout organizations fall into a piece of that puzzle – YES

Absolutely agree with you here. Sharon mentioned earlier she just got those experiences at home. It’s not the same as being with a group of like minded kids. My kids kid hit a ball off the tee all they want in the backyard. Not the same as being on a teeball team.

craig s wrote:

How sad.
Just another step in the sissyfication of this country..
How dare boys have a group AND girls have a group!!!!!! They need to be pushed together in the name of equality !

Thank you to all the new era “Sally type parents”….

Well your generation raised these “Sally type” parents so I guess you can pat yourself on the back .

Jonesy, learn how to quote and reply… I laugh at how ignorant you are when it comes to posting… such a big man you are… well such a big “gender neutral” you are I guess … ?

big_g wrote:

Am I missing something here ? Cub scouts are 10 and under correct ? BOY Scouts (which is being discussed) are 11-17…? maybe I am out of touch.. maybe they are sexting each other at 6 and 7, snap chatting nude pics by 9 and so by 12, they are all already seasoned with many sexual partners of many genders… sorry, I will bow out, I have no skin in this game… literally.

I know nothing about the scouts as I wasnt one. My father was an eagle scout. G’s post just caught my eye. We have been seeing lots of cases with kids 9 to 12 years of age sending nude photos and looking at porn.
DT

big_g wrote:

Jonesy, learn how to quote and reply… I laugh at how ignorant you are when it comes to posting… such a big man you are… well such a big “gender neutral” you are I guess … ?

Looks right to me so not totally sure what you mean. But I am on my phone.

big_g wrote:

Jonesy, learn how to quote and reply… I laugh at how ignorant you are when it comes to posting… such a big man you are… well such a big “gender neutral” you are I guess … ?

No idea where this comes from? I did not or have not had confusion in how Jonesy posted. Nor did I see where he came across as “a big “gender neutral” you are” ??

Walleyestudent Andy Cox wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
Jonesy, learn how to quote and reply… I laugh at how ignorant you are when it comes to posting… such a big man you are… well such a big “gender neutral” you are I guess … ?

No idea where this comes from? I did not or have not had confusion in how Jonesy posted. Nor did I see where he came across as “a big “gender neutral” you are” ??

I believe he’s taking offense to me calling him ignorant. However ignorance is not always a bad thing. Hell I just posted a thread about basic pike fishing setups because I am ignorant on that subject.

As far as his perceived jab at me. I took it as an attempt to be humorous.

Now back to our trigger fest.

Walleyestudent Andy Cox wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
Jonesy, learn how to quote and reply… I laugh at how ignorant you are when it comes to posting… such a big man you are… well such a big “gender neutral” you are I guess … ?

No idea where this comes from? I did not or have not had confusion in how Jonesy posted. Nor did I see where he came across as “a big “gender neutral” you are” ??

meh.. internet police again.

Jonesy wrote:

Hell I just posted a thread about basic pike fishing setups because I am ignorant on that subject.

Now back to our trigger fest.

Now go back and look at the northern pike thread.

The trigger fest…?

I’m trying to keep sitting in the bleachers on this one, but this…?

Jon Jordan wrote:

Derogatory?

Guy like us we had it made, those were the days……

Jeepers Jon. Is that show still aired anymore other than some underground network?

Many of us would remember, all of us? That show sure pushed the boundaries…even back then. How much has changed…and how much has not. As controversial as that show was then, imagine the reaction from today’s world now? The show was a classic, like it or not…agree or not. It was what it was and still is.

Hate and bigotry and discrimination and prejudice are all still alive today. It’s just being “politically corrected” behind the white screen.

Give more credit to that “Archie Bunker” generation. At least they weren’t trying to hide it…like today’s “feel better” sheep for giving to “select” charities and their chosen social causes.

Still discriminatory…

Sharon wrote:

Boys belong in boy scouts and girls belong in girl scouts. Simple as that. Now before you gasp, let me also add that both scouts should be able to decide on activities that meet the needs of the group. Are the girls wanting to join boy scouts because they want to go camping and learn about knives? They should be able to do that in their girl scout group! Similarly the boys can learn about baking and sewing if they want to as well- in boy scouts. There’s no need to mix the two to cater to an ever-changing world of preferences.

There was a reason these were separated for so long. Both genders in their youth might be more comfortable learning with their similarly gendered peers. Gender equality doesn’t mean IGNORING the genders and their differences – it means embracing their unique qualities and encouraging environments which helps our youth develop who they were born to be. You can’t deny that, generally speaking, boys are more competitive than girls. Learning together isn’t always the best option. This all being said, I grew up in a world of traditional girl scouts whose activities didn’t interest me. So I didn’t join them. I hung out with my family, and particularly my dad who taught me a lot about fishing, bugs, rocks, playing in the dirt – all the good stuff. You don’t need an outside organization like the scouts to learn. It’s just one option out of many, and if it doesn’t suit you or your kids’ interests then chose something else. Changing to mixed genders is a poor idea.

Right on Sharon, Right on

big_g wrote:

meh.. internet police again.

Well gee…big_g, Now you know I was just deputized today.

What’s up? You post before with rhyme and reason and then go bananas?

Something between you and Black T/A?

Deputy internet police will step aside and let this stay a civil matter.

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The way the thread is going I Will just say this is BS combining boys and girls.

OK , this is just stupid ! Falling enrollment!