Bird dog chased out of woods by pack of wolves

  • Gitchi Gummi
    Posts: 3037
    #1717572

    This happened near the Isabella area up the North Shore. Pretty crazy! While walking grouse trails with my dog, I frequently think about the scenario of encountering a wolf and I’d be ready to shoot without hesitating. In fact, wolves are the primary reason I carry a couple slugs for my shotgun in my bird hunting vest.

    http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/outdoors/4334715-hunter-has-harrowing-encounter-wolves-near-isabella

    Justin Bailey of Keewatin was hunting ruffed grouse near Isabella on Tuesday morning when a wolf chased his hunting dog out of the woods.

    “He was coming at me 100 miles per hour, and right behind him was a wolf, biting at his heels,” said Bailey, 33. “They probably passed 5 or 6 feet from us.”

    Bailey was standing at the edge of the road with his son, Andrew Bailey, 3, and his nephew, Brock Bjelland, 5, of Marble, whom he had brought along for the day of hunting.

    The wolf chased the dog, Henry, a 1-year-old German wire-haired pointer, back to Bailey’s pickup in the road, he said.

    “The dog jumped in the window of the truck, and the wolf did a quick lap around the truck,” Bailey said.

    That’s when Bailey noticed two more wolves coming out of the woods at the edge of the road. Three more came out about 100 yards down the road, Bailey said.

    “I think we saw six total,” he said. “I was yelling at the one that went around the truck. He wasn’t very timid, that’s for sure. He was 15 feet from the truck and turned around and watched me put the kids in the truck.”

    During the encounter, Bailey fired one round from his 20-gauge shotgun into the air in an effort to scare off the wolves.

    “They didn’t even flinch,” he said.

    His dog was not injured, Bailey said.

    The incident occurred about 11 a.m. Tuesday about four miles from Isabella, he said. Bailey’s nephew had seen a grouse at the edge of the road run into the woods. Bailey pulled his truck over and let Henry out.

    “I sent him into the woods to find the bird,” he said. “He did one pass in there and got on point. I was on the road… He had the bird pinned down (pointed). Then he made this awful screech — it was like a cross between a yip and a cry. He must have been about 30 yards away.”

    That’s when Henry came charging out of the woods with the wolf nipping at his hind legs. Bailey said the wolves “looked pretty healthy.”

    “They’re starting to put on their winter coats,” he said.

    Bailey said he never thought about shooting at any of the wolves.

    “I played it back in my head,” he said. “Yes, I would have shot at the wolves because the kids were there, but it happened so fast it didn’t even cross my mind.”

    In Minnesota, gray wolves were most recently classified as endangered under the federal Endangered Species Act as of December 2014. Wolves may be not be killed except in defense of human life.

    Bailey and the boys continued to hunt during the afternoon in an area about 10 miles from where they had encountered the wolves. Bailey shot one grouse. The boys seemed to find the wolf encounter fascinating, he said.

    “They thought it was the coolest experience in the north woods,” he said. “They were seeing all kinds of wolves all day long.”

    The encounter has made Bailey rethink hunting grouse with Henry.

    “It makes me not want to bring my dog in the woods anymore,” he said. “It makes you think twice.”

    Henry apparently had made up his own mind after the incident.

    “The dog refused to leave the truck,” Bailey said. “I couldn’t get him out of the truck the rest of the day.”

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18625
    #1717573

    “cannot be killed except in defense of human life”

    Yea, right. I wouldnt hesitate to lay one or more out if they tried to kill my dog. NO HESITATION. I had one follow my dog grouse hunting a few years back in sconny. Once it came within view of me we stared at each other for a few seconds then it faded off into the woods. Made the hair stand up on my neck but it wasnt an imminent threat and I never even considered firing my gun at it or into the air.
    Not to change the subject but I had a belligerent bear block my wife and I on quads this summer. I tried to scare it for a full minute with no luck.
    One “desk pop” from my carry gun finally sent it scurrying.

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #1717575

    I saw that yesterday. Quite a story!

    Yea, right. I wouldn’t hesitate to lay one or more out if they tried to kill my dog. NO HESITATION.

    x2! You’d better believe I’d protect my dog!

    Gitchi Gummi
    Posts: 3037
    #1717576

    Agreed – I’d have no hesitation shooting at one if they were attacking my dog. How is anyone ever going to prove the wolf wasn’t charging at you before you shot it? It’s absurd it’s technically against the law you can’t kill one if its attacking your dog.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22823
    #1717581

    I am with you guys on this one and it has crossed my mind on several occasions about the potential for an encounter. I have seen where wolves have killed dogs that were rabbit hunting, mainly in the UP I think.
    Poor dog is probably scarred for life. It might take some time before he gets back into the woods or field after that.

    What I find irritating is that the wolf-huggers would rather you not hurt the “harmless” wolf to protect your family/dogs at the expense of them getting hurt. That is how sick and deranged some of them are. Seriously!? You would honestly put their life over that of a human or your own pet? I don’t think so.

    A buddy was stalked by a lone wolf while hanging a deer stand while we were in college. That was many moons ago before the numbers were like they are now.

    I would like to take my dog out into the grouse woods, but I worry about this very same thing.

    Timmy
    Posts: 1235
    #1717585

    From my experience,at least in this area, bird hunting with a dog usually is a public land affair and does not involve roads. It involves trails and woods. If i were in that unfortunate situation where I had to make a decision, I sure as heck wouldn’t go out of my way to put myself in the hotseat…..

    Not SSS, because there isnt time to shovel……instead: “S-GTFO-S”

    mark-bruzek
    Two Harbors, MN
    Posts: 3867
    #1717592

    This tree hugging crap is getting out of line.
    Does anyone recall the reactions out of individuals when some housewife is out walking her cute lil’ puppy and out of the bushes a coyote hops out and crosses the paved bike path in Minnetonka???
    Holy hell, the world is coming to and end, I thought it was going to eat me and so on….
    But just the week before… I love wolves, they are so majestic and I think we need more of them, blah blah blah.

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    Mookie Blaylock
    Wright County, MN
    Posts: 469
    #1717600

    This sounds like a story that has been told 100+ times and by now is mostly fabrication.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18625
    #1717634

    From my experience,at least in this area, bird hunting with a dog usually is a public land affair and does not involve roads. It involves trails and woods. If i were in that unfortunate situation where I had to make a decision, I sure as heck wouldn’t go out of my way to put myself in the hotseat…..

    Not SSS, because there isnt time to shovel……instead: “S-GTFO-S”

    Exactly. What happens in nature stays in nature. No reason for it to go any further.

    Reef W
    Posts: 2747
    #1717648

    I’ve never seen a wolf but I find the part about it being unfazed by him firing his gun a bit unbelievable.

    In any case that’s exactly where I’m going this weekend for my girlfriend’s first hunting trip and she saw this story on Facebook roll

    I think she’s planning on more of a dog escort mission than a hunting trip now lol

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22823
    #1717650

    I’ve never seen a wolf but I find the part about it being unfazed by him firing his gun a bit unbelievable.

    In any case that’s exactly where I’m going this weekend for my girlfriend’s first hunting trip and she saw this story on Facebook roll

    I think she’s planning on more of a dog escort mission than a hunting trip now lol

    I have seen 3 wolves in my day, but each of them were from a vehicle. 2 of them stopped and looked back at me as they were running across the trail. Then slowly meandered off.
    My buddy who was followed by a wolf nearly filled his pants. The wolf was only 30 yards or so behind him and growling at him. To the wolf’s defense, he was covered in deer scent since he was hanging deer stands.
    He had his shotgun with and fired one shot and it did leave, but didn’t go far.
    I think each situation would be a bit different. This one here where the wolf was chasing a dog may have made them less susceptible to running from the gunshot because of the dog and their natural instincts took over.
    If you remove the dog from the situation, I bet it would have been different. It also matters I think if there are more than one. They are probably much braver with their buddies around just like the loud mouth drunk picking fights leaving the bar with his offensive linemen buddies along his side.

    Timmy
    Posts: 1235
    #1717659

    I live in wolf country. I have had them chase my dog in my back yard. I have had them 10 feet away when this happened and they simply walked off. Sadly i had no access to a gun. They are not overly wary anymore.

    A close friend had two get his dog and start eating her right in his yd – right in front of him. They are far too commonplace up here and far too bold.

    There are too many of them. Way too many. I see them frequently – way to often for there to be only “2800”….. or whatever BS number the state throws around.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22823
    #1717664

    I live in wolf country. I have had them chase my dog in my back yard. I have had them 10 feet away when this happened and they simply walked off. Sadly i had no access to a gun. They are not overly wary anymore.

    A close friend had two get his dog and start eating her right in his yd – right in front of him. They are far too commonplace up here and far too bold.

    There are too many of them. Way too many. I see them frequently – way to often for there to be only “2800”….. or whatever BS number the state throws around.

    That is crazy for sure and I trust you on the population thing.
    What I am wondering is, have you ever encountered them without your dog? Curious as to how they acted in those scenarios. Were they as bold?

    Joe Scegura
    Alexandria MN
    Posts: 2758
    #1717671

    I heard someone on the radio eagerly announcing that “the wolf population is up by 25% since last year!” “But unfortunately we are still not back to the numbers we were at before the TROPHY HUNTING seasons that were held in the state.”

    So I ask how many is enough? Based on the surveyors numbers we are already at twice the wolf managements desired levels…

    Timmy
    Posts: 1235
    #1717727

    That is crazy for sure and I trust you on the population thing.
    What I am wondering is, have you ever encountered them without your dog? Curious as to how they acted in those scenarios. Were they as bold?

    That is a great question. I have only encountered one when without a dog and it behaved very “calmly”. It crossed a trail about 30 yds from me, looked right at me, and simply walked off. No aggression. That was about 7-8 miles away.

    Timmy
    Posts: 1235
    #1717732

    I had this thought tonight regarding the wolf numbers: let’s compare moose and wolves.

    Moose – a rough estimated number of 4000 in the state – occupying a relatively small zone from basically the iron range north and east….

    Wolves – an estimated 2800 or so occupying an area of perhaps 3 times larger.

    With moose being large and easy to spot relative to a wolf, and more of them in a smaller area, wouldn’t logic dictate that moose sightings, trail cam pics, and sign from them be noticeably more prevalent? Common sense tells me those numbers just do not, in any way, add up.

    Just a thought.

    basseyes
    Posts: 2513
    #1717737

    Carrying slugs is pointless.

    If it’s that close to my kids, I wouldn’t intended to kill one, but I’d have no problem blowing his tale off with a load of 8’s. He would get the message. And yes I’ve dealt with wolves a lot. Great critter, but it’s not good for them not to have a healthy fear, for us or them. Have sprayed coyotes and killed more porker pines and skunks than I care to admit. Use to give them a pass till I’ve talked to to many loggers, ranchers and had to deal with what the critters are capable of. A wolf ain’t going to die from an shot at the tip of the tail, but it’s going to sting them enough to pay attention. And I’ve peppered a dog of mine for chasing deer. Not suggesting anyone do it, but each situation calls for a cool head in a terrible situation like what the guy had to deal with. With young kids there, that would be my main concern. If the dog ran to one of those kids, the kid could be collateral damage very easily. And once a wolf was on a kid, then shooting would be out of the question. If a wolf is threatening that close to a kid, pretty easy math imo. My dogs are in wolf country a lot and bells and beepers help, as does being loud on entering an area and staying noisey. Grouse and wood cock can be hunted successfully without sneaking around wolf country. Whistles and talking can help too. But there’s always that chance encounter that’s possible. They are cool animals, but still that, an animal, no different than a deer or coyote in all reality, other than perception or legalities.

    Gitchi Gummi
    Posts: 3037
    #1717778

    Carrying slugs is pointless.

    If a wolf was attacking my dog, I’d feel a lot more comfortable shooting a slug rather than spraying BBs.

    Also, I think you are getting a false sense of security from bells. A little bell isn’t going to deter a pack of wolves from doing what they want to do.

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1717780

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>basseyes wrote:</div>
    Carrying slugs is pointless.

    If a wolf was attacking my dog, I’d feel a lot more comfortable shooting a slug rather than spraying BBs.

    Also, I think you are getting a false sense of security from bells. A little bell isn’t going to deter a pack of wolves from doing what they want to do.

    I think the point was you aren’t going to have time to unload your bird shot and reload the slugs before you are half eaten by said wolves. I would unload my bird shot the fast and easy way(firing them), then try to slap the slugs in while the wolves regroup smash

    You would be surprised how tight the pattern of 8 shot is at 10′

    Gitchi Gummi
    Posts: 3037
    #1717783

    I would unload my bird shot the fast and easy way(firing them), then try to slap the slugs in while the wolves regroup

    You would be surprised how tight the pattern of 8 shot is at 10′

    Agreed – I’d get the bird shot unloaded in a couple seconds and then slap slugs in. I’ve patterned all of my chokes out to 30 yards. Definitely wouldn’t feel comfortable spraying BBs on a wolf that was tangled up on my dog but then again, its hard to say what you’d do in the heat of the moment. There’s always the sidearm option too.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18625
    #1717790

    I would get in close so the shot would be more like a slug. Real close maybe even touching the target. Shoot at furthest body part from your animal first even if that is the ass. Stop the fight then finish it off. I would only do this as a last resort. Id rush towards it and shoot in the air if it didnt have its jaws on my dog. I was Grouse hunting once and we treed two bears in thick cover. Funny thing was my dog hadnt seen them yet. I freaked thinking momma bear was lurking so I yelled at the dog to come and we kind of ran the other way for a bit like running from bees! jester I plan on hunting that same spot tomorrow morning and it gives me the heeby jeebys.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11654
    #1717911

    Stop the fight then finish it off. I would only do this as a last resort. Id rush towards it and shoot in the air if it didnt have its jaws on my dog.

    Having seen more than a few hunting dogs tangling with everything from coons to coyotes, Suzuki is correct. Your chances of shooting INTO a dogfight and NOT inflicting collateral damage are slim and none.

    IMO slugs are the worst possible choice. First, it’s harder to hit anything with them compared to shot. Secondly, hit a wolf with shot at any reasonable distance and they’re going to get the idea you don’t like them and head the other way. If you had no choice but to shoot into a fight or shoot at a pack chasing your dog and you accidentally hit your dog with birdshot, its chances of survival would be far greater than with a slug.

    Don’t underestimate birdshot. My father took down 2 coyotes with his little 20 gauge shooting 2.75 inch #6. He was blocking the end of a drainage ditch and saw the coyotes coming down ahead of the drivers. He laid flat in the grass and then stood up when the yotes popped out of the ditch. He laid them out flat at 20-30 yards, they didn’t even twitch.

    Grouse

    Mocha
    Park Rapids
    Posts: 1452
    #1717982

    My dog is one of my kids. A Wolf chasing my dog would be full of lead and no questions asked and no answers given. End of story…..for the wolf!

    Timmy
    Posts: 1235
    #1719395

    Quick update….

    Took a sauna tonight and could hear howling…stepped outside to pee/cool off and it was evident, another deer on my land lost the fight today….

    Endangered my a$$……….

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
    Posts: 9559
    #1719398

    We’ve encountered wolves while picking blueberries in the Isabella area. They leave us alone, we leave them alone. Still, domestic dogs are food to a wolf and what this article depicts is very believable….probably more common than people realize too. Same with coyotes.

    Granted, wolves have a part in our state and I don’t think anyone really wants to see them completely gone. They have to be managed better than they are. If Minnesota was split from east to west at Hinkley and the land lying north of that split had 500 wolves for a population, that would be enough wolves. Unfortunately the huggers think that they should see or hear a wolf every time they hang clothes on the line or step out of a tent and that it not healthy for the wildlife or the wolves. Current wolf population estimates are wayyyyyy out of wack.

    I don’t blame people living in areas with a high wolf density for being miffed with the governments way of dealing with the animals and if some subtle population control is taking place I understand completely and can’t find fault with it. I may personally not agree with it, but I understand why if it is happening.

    If I had a dog and it came down to wolf or fido, fido would be at his bowl that night.

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